online breeders forum?
Does anyone know if there is a forum dedicated to sharing info between dog breeders? I was just wondering, because I thought it would be a good way to find out info on people, and read up on dog health etc. I'm not really planning on breeding, but was thinking of doinng some agility or obedience work... Just wondering! Karen  |
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| Yahoo has some lists for OES breeders..... just do a search in yahoo groups |
| http://www.infodog.com but in order to be on the forum with the breeders you have to pay a fee I believe. |
| Hey, Thanks guys! I'll try the Yahoo search! I'll let you know how it goes!
Karen |
| I wonder whether any of those championship OES you read about have had the discipline problems we're talking about. I ran across "Lambluv.com" This breeder has a number of champions. Great site for beautiful champions. Are there any champion breeders out there that might like to share their stories of discipline problems and how they turned them into champions?
On a related issue, at what point does one begin to assess the conformity potential of their OES? As for positive reinforcement, I've found that is the best way to achieve results. Often it takes more time and patience, but it seems to be much better than the alternative. On one occasion I lost my patience with Barney for not letting me know he had to go out. I grabbed him by the loose skin on top of the neck and tried to drag him to the door. The scene was not pretty, he nipped at me. I slapped his nose, then picked him up to carry him to the door. With no long sleeves for protection he grabbed my arm and you can imagine the rest. Christmas Day no less. We kissed and made up. But I firmly believe negative discipline only teaches negative behavior. Hang in there. |
| All puppies need to learn, with patience and love and positive reinforcement, a healthy puppy will develop into a loyal, well behaved companion.
A reputable breeder would never breed a dog who had temperment problems. A breeder who has thoroughly researched and planned, and has begun with the very best, well known lines that they can, are getting a dog who's ancestry can be traced to the beginning, which means that someone knows the temperment and health of each and every dog in the line, from the beginning. After many generations of selective breeding, some problems have been created, it's true, however, far more have been eliminated. That's not to say problems never occur, but if they do it is very rarely. There is more frequency of health and behavior problems in the United States than in Canada, because there are so many puppy mills in the States, it can be hard to figure out who is who. Someone not familiar with the "dog world", who is well meaning, and wants a good pup from a reputable breeder, may well end up buying from a puppy mill, because they are mislead, shown only what they want to see, and told only what they want to hear. Championship titles do not make the dog, but they do show that the dog has been evaluated against the standard, by someone knowledgeable and experienced. A dog entering the show ring MUST have an excellent temperment. The dogs are intelligent, they have spent time training and grooming the dog, and loving the dog enough for that dog to look expectantly at the handler wanting nothing more than to please him or her. They walk quietly, calmly, through crowds of noisy people and dogs, are handled by strangers, flashed at with cameras, driven for hours at a time to show destinations, and they are happy to do it, because they are with their "pack" doing a job (sheepdogs instinctively have a desire to have a "job") A puppy mill dog in many cases is neurotic, unbalanced, and could never handle these things with ease and pleasure. Not to mention the health problems. Lambluv is a dedicated kennel, they have absolutely gorgeous dogs that I personally am in love with While to some who look at a kennel like that, if they are looking for a pet, they may think, well these can't be pets they are show dogs.... think again, because it takes one heck of a dog to be a winner, and I don't just mean the look of the dog. |
| Hi George,
Your story made me smile and think of a cartoon that a family I sold a puppy to once sent me. I wish I still had it. This guy was trying to train his dog to go outside and it showed him standing up taking a leak on a tree. The next picture showed the dog at the house standing up taking a leak on his wall. The cartoon said it all. We need patience and to learn better communication skills for our pets. I’m guilty as well. I know that most dogs and pets in general try hard to please their companions. I believe that most of the time it's our lack of communication skills that those companions get disciplined for. Zach |
Well said Zach; after several months since my original post, and obedience classes, I convinced that training is more appropriate for the owner than the dog.  The more I learn, the smarter Barney becomes. |
| Geez George,
How funny, lmao. Ain't it the truth! Zach |
| Training the owner is 99% of the battle with these guys!
I let mine be PUPPIES until they are finished teething ad have their adult teeth in. Teething is a very stressful time for puppies and they REMEMBER everything, be it good or negative that happens in this time! For this reason, I wait until they are 6 months old before I ever try any puppy classes, training or anything. It has always worked for my guys. On another note, we are 'growing up" our 2nd 'singleton' puppy right now. They have a world of their own attitude. They are the center of the universe as far as they are concerned. Training is a bit stronger enforced with singletons. They have thick heads in learning! 
Ali |
| Ali
Who is the beautiful dog in your avatar? |
| I HOPE I am answering your message correcctly! By Avatar do you mean picture???
This is my first homebred champion... Int/Mex/Am Ch. Gwynedd's Dunk 'n Disorderly, C.G.C. !! He is my big love bug. Now he is shaved down and is learning to herd sheep......... He loves it, and it gives him a job and he doesn't feel so bad about not showing anymore (I hope).
he is the father to my new baby that is 8 months old now, Carmela, Gwynedd's Baa Da Bing. You can see them all at my web site. http://www.gbwebs.com/gwynedd Ali |
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