MY OES RESCUE

I use a Gentle Leader on Dutch and if the part that goes around the back of the head is snug she cannot get it off, the part around the nose can be a little looser. One way to test is to put it on the dog and then see if you can slip the nose part over her nose if you can the back of the head part is to loose. But for saftey sake I also were a loose choke on her and have both the choke and the GL hooked to the leash just in case
My shepherd was able to get out of her GL near a busy highway and scared the heck out of me and thats why I started to always use a choke along with it

If you continue to have a problem with this type of lead, you could also try a prong collar. Looks ghastly but actually is a better collar even than a choke for a dog that pulls. You also have the option of turning as many prongs toward the neck or away from the neck as you choose. Sometimes just a few turned in toward the neck is enough for the the dog to correct themselves. I had a girl that was very dominant in nature & as a young dog she overdid everything. I finally relented & tried the prong collar on her & wonder of wonders! Within about 5 minutes she had corrected herself a few times on the "walk" around obedience class & was walking like a perfect dog on her lead. Important thing to remember is to only use it for training or when you go for a walk. Off it comes when you come home. As for the jumping......you have to be really consistant with this. When your dog starts to jump to greet you, fold your arms across your chest & give a command (such as OFF). Do not touch the dog in anyway until he is either sitting or letting you alone. Then praise him. This may require you to even turn your back on him while you have your arms folded & giving the OFF command. As soon as he quits his jumping praise him immedieately even if it is just for a few seconds. When he starts up again start the correction again. After several sessions he should be getting the picture that the word OFF coupled with him keeping 4 feet on the floor results in praise.

We actually just purchased a prong collar for Oliver. You have to use it correctly. If Oliver starts to pull, we give a gentle tug with the command. It works really well.

I thought it looked horrible too, but I tried it on, and it doesn't hurt. But, as I mentioned above, it should be used with the proper methods.

I will warn you, Oliver mats like crazy anytime we use it!

I have never used a prong collar before. Do they hurt the dog? Can they cause damage to their necks? It looks painful but like I said I have never used one before.

I don't know how to only quote part of a persons post......I am sure I will figure it out sometime. I tried in another topic and totally screwed it up

Around the house they wear no collars

The prong collar looks bad but it actually places pressure evenly around the dog's neck for a correction rather than "choking" or putting pressure only in one area (generally the windpipe) like a regular choke chain does. This is not to say I don't approve of choke chains either. I use them on most of my dogs. The prong collar doesn't actually hurt the dog...it just delivers some pressure to the neck but spaces it around evenly. What I tell people to do is go to the pet store & place one of these collars around your lower arm. Now pull down on it. You will then see how it uses slight pressure spaced evenly to give a correction. What is positive about this is that it is the dog pulling that administers the correction from the collar & not the human hauling back on the dog. Honestly, a few times of pulling, a few quick yelps & your dog will have seemed to have learned that the proper way to walk is nice & easy. You can transition over to a regular collar by placing both collars on the dog at the same time & hooking up to the regular collar rather than the prong. Do this several times once your dog is walking sensibly on the prong collar & soon you won't even need the prong collar anymore. I only had one dog I had to use the prong collar on. My others trained very easily with a regular choke collar. My dogs are trained & older now. I never leave the house with them in the van or for walk using anything but choke type collars. I have seen too many OES figure very quickly how to get out of a regular buckle collar. Around the house they wear no collars.