Update on "Fairbancks of Snowboot Bears" (Zorro)
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| Best of luck Stewart and Zorro!!! We are rooting for you!!! |
| You've done amazing things with Zorro so far Stewart!
I cannot wait to hear how the show went!! 
Best Wishes from Auntie E and the crew in California.
Please take some pics for us!! |
| Great news about the hips. Good luck in your show career Zorro. |
| Zorro's first show and everything is new and after his recent expiriences he faced this challenge bravely and was placed Exc. 2. His critique says:23 month old male dog, strong head, nice fully pigmented dark eyes, correct scissor bite, could have a little longer neck, strong brisket, enough back angulation (could have been my fault then he has super angulation), gentle rise to the loin, harsh coat which is developing nicely, nice free movement. |
| Very nice, Stewart!!!!
Kristine |
| Congrats!
I love how you get comments about your dog. |
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Great news  |
CONGRATS!  |
Congrats!!! 
I love how you get the written critique too. |
Willowsprite wrote: I love how you get the written critique too. Don't you get Critiques? Does your dogs get critiqued at specialties? I love the critiques it helps a lot and you learn a lot from them also. We even print the Critiques after a specialty show of all the dogs so people can read the judges overall comments and what was said about individual dogs. 
Congratulations Stewart on Zorros first show, wishing you both great future success, he has come a long way with your care. |
| Congratulations Zorro |
lisaoes wrote: Willowsprite wrote: I love how you get the written critique too. Don't you get Critiques? Does your dogs get critiqued at specialties? I love the critiques it helps a lot and you learn a lot from them also. We even print the Critiques after a specialty show of all the dogs so people can read the judges overall comments and what was said about individual dogs. Congratulations Stewart on Zorros first show, wishing you both great future success, he has come a long way with your care. I have never seen a written critique fromn any conformation event. I really, really like that they post all the comments - what an excellent way to get another person's opinion on all the dogs present. What a lot of work for the judges, though. We do get feedback in performance - obedience and rally for example. The scoresheet are very specific in what points were lost and on what exercises. |
| Nothing like they do overseas. Judges who judge the nationals will write up general impressions plus maybe some specific critiques ("I really loved my BOWs front and blah blah blah. Or the BOB dog was very blah blah blah and had a beautiful blah blah blah), usually only specifics of top placing dogs, and that gets posted in the OET. I think that's about it. Not sure why.
I never even really noticed that till after I showed the dog that went BOW in Lancaster in '05. A breeder-judge I was showing against came up after WD to congratulate the dog's breeder and noted he felt the dog had beaten his dog because he had a better [___]. I thought to myself: "Naw, that's not what gave the dog an edge with this particular judge". Then when I read his critique I realized I was right. Wish they would write critiques routinely. It is very educational. Kristine |
| Many thanks to all of you for the best wishes, Zorro is a really nice dog and should do well in the coming future, at the show yesterday one or two of the other breeders were taking an interest in him which is promising. You do not get critiques in every country in Europe, in France and Gibraltar for example you get a questionaire which the judge fills out with all the major parts of the standard noted and they mark off their opinion. A good specialist will tell you all you need to know about your dog. I went over the winning dog after the show to see what condition it is in, he has a very soft coat, small teeth, a shallow brisket, nice eyes although not fully pigmented, and he has shper muscle. He made the better picture because of Zorro's harsh coat it still is a little short. We have a show coming Saturday and we will see how he gets on there, I will post the results on Sunday. |
Mad Dog wrote: Wish they would write critiques routinely. It is very educational.
Kristine It is, also stops "Kennel Blindness" if enough specialist judges start commenting on a particular thing that comes up each time on a particular dog then one does have to take notice and try and improve that point. No show dog is 100% perfect so the critiques help enormously as far as the overall breed is going in a particular country and also what is great or not so great about individual dogs. I love the critiques and they print them after specialties in the OES Gazzette for all to peruse. Great educational and learning tool and should be out there for all to read. Specialties is most important, it gives an idea of the Specialty judges opinion on the overall breed and it is always interesting to read that judges opinion on individual dogs exhibited. Helps the breed progress IMO. Good luck stewart look forward to hearing how Zorro goes at the next lot of shows. We will be barracking for you from the land downunder. |
| Congrats Stewart and Zorro!!! Zorro is a real treasure! Good luck on Saturday, will be looking forward to the results. Please give Zorro a nice big hug and one for Misty and Hamlet as well. |
| Well done Zorro.
Best of Luck for Saturday our fingers and paws will be crossed for you. xx |
Quote: he has a very soft coat, small teeth, ...
Maybe its a language issue, but, aren't these less desirable characteristics? |
kerry wrote: Quote: he has a very soft coat, small teeth, ... Maybe its a language issue, but, aren't these less desirable characteristics? Unfortunately at a show you are left to the mercy of the Judge and sometimes you wonder what breed of dog they think they are judging. I have learned over the years what I am looking for in a dog and if possible I go over the winning dogs to see what has been placed before my dog / bitch. It is not a language issue you are right there were a few faults in the winning dog, but this is something you must live with or stop showing. This was Zorro's first show and I would have liked the ticket but he has enough time and I am convince he will make the grade as a champion. |
| thanks for the clarification. i understandthe dogs are not always jusdged to the standard as we perceive it |
kerry wrote: thanks for the clarification. i understandthe dogs are not always jusdged to the standard as we perceive it
"Somethings in the standard are hard to define, or should I say some Judges make it hard to define, it says in the standard "Quality, texture, and profusion to be considered above mere length". This is a typical example which seems to confuse some judges as they forget when they come to this part that a harsh coat should be preferred over a soft coat. It also says about the neck "Fairly long, strong, arched gracefully" how do you define "arched gracefuly" It now says about the tail " Natural carriage" ahem what does that mean. You can see by just a few examples it is very difficult to define the standard and then you start to understand the different judges comments about your dog |
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