Sheepie Palooza Attendees; Bad News
I don't know if she got it AT Sheepie Palooza, or if she contacted it where we had her boarded for the week prior to Sheepie Palooza. But I thought I should do the responsible thing and give everyone a heads up. When I know for sure, I'll let everyone here know as well.  |
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I hope that she gets better quickly. She is such a sweetie pie with so much energy.  Give her a kiss from us. |
| I hope she feels better I bet it was from the previous boarding. |
| I hope she feels better I bet it was from the previous kennel situation. |
| Awee...... hope she gets better soon. Yuki was vaccinated and got it from the place she boarded. I would hope it wasn't one of the dogs that attended considering I think everyone here takes care of their animals (at least those who would be interested in going to that event). |
Oh No!!! Poor Luna! I hope she feels better soon. I can tell you my crew are all healthy. I would suspect the kennel where she was boarded too. She seemed fine to me at Sheepiepalooza. I will keep my fingers crossed for her. |
| thanks for the well wishes! I'm hoping its just a touch of allergies; she's had 3 coughing fits in the last 3 hours. We'll see.
I did some reading up; seems that she has to have been in contact with the virus in the last 4 days to have gotten it. That puts us at Sheepie Palooza. The kennel was 7 days ago. |
| She could also have also have contracted it from a dog who was vaccinated within the past 72 hours with the intranasal vaccine. They shed the virus for that length of time and other dogs who are exposed to that shedding can come down with mild symptoms.
Since your girls are puppies their immature immune systems are more susceptible whether to natural or vaccine induced exposure. Add to that the recent stress of boarding, plus travel, plus close proximity with lots of other dogs in both cases, and it really isn't too surprising, but nothing you could have prevented or predicted. If they both become symptomatic, kennel cough is the most likely the culprit. If only one, I'd be more concerned and more likely to dig deeper. On rare occasions it can develop into pnemonia, but it's generally just a self-limiting nuisance disease except for the very young, some geriatrics and immune compromised dogs. And, no, no coughing here either, but my guys are all adults etc. I'm not concerned. No one at Sheepiepalooza had young puppies with them, nor, I suspect, seriously immune compromised dogs, so that should be OK. But could someone please make sure Becky H knows? I think she still has that rescue litter at her house. It's not likely, but it can be transmitted on clothing etc. I'm sure she knows the safety drill when you have puppies at home though and have attended any kind of dog event. I had dinner at a friend's house on Monday. She has a litter on the ground. I'm lucky even a day later that I didn't have to take a bleach bath to be let on to the premises at all 
Nice of you to let us know. Much appreciated and I hope she feels better soon. Kristine |
| thanks for all the info; I've spent the night reading up on it.
The biggest disappointment for me is that I had them scheduled for thier first summer hair-cuts tomorrow. Now I need to wait 3 weeks to be safe. AND we'll probably have to hold off on our training. Maybe the trainer would be willing to come to our house.... |
Darth Snuggle wrote: thanks for all the info; I've spent the night reading up on it.
The biggest disappointment for me is that I had them scheduled for thier first summer hair-cuts tomorrow. Now I need to wait 3 weeks to be safe. AND we'll probably have to hold off on our training. Maybe the trainer would be willing to come to our house....The bad news is that if they do have it, any kind of physical excertion will induce coughing for about about a week so they won't feel much like training. I once "donated" a weekend's worth of agility entry fees and kept Belle home just for being exposed to kennel cough - she never did come down with it. Add to that several weeks of forgoing training classes. I feel your pain. 
Once she/possibly they start/s feeling better you can still practice on your own. Kristine |
| hmmm... well they are wrestling right now; and have each other in a head lock. So maybe they are feeling fine...?
I'm cancelling the grooming tomorrow just in case. Training isn't until Monday, so I can see how they are doing then. |
| Allison - give both the girls a hug and Ralph Bark.
Ann, Karen, and Ralph |
| Oh no! I hope she feels better soon. We were around you guys a lot and Foz is vaccinated. However, can one of the symptoms be throwing up without coughing? Foz has been puking since our return and I'm really worried about him. |
Darth Snuggle wrote: I might be wrong, but I talked to a couple of other group members and based on my description, they think its possible that Luna has Kennel Cough. I'm REALLY unhappy about this. She and Tonks are both vaccinated against it, but it was explained to me by another group member that the vaccination is pretty much ineffective.
I don't know if she got it AT Sheepie Palooza, or if she contacted it where we had her boarded for the week prior to Sheepie Palooza. But I thought I should do the responsible thing and give everyone a heads up. When I know for sure, I'll let everyone here know as well. there is a 7 day innoculation period if I am not mistaken. |
Sorry to hear she's not feeling well, Alison. 
Thanks for letting us know, but the wigglebums are doing fine. In fact, Genny seems to have been re-energized by her trip to St. Louis. She's back to being my saucy sassy girl. 
Hope both Tonks & Luna are better soon.  |
Stacy wrote: Oh no! I hope she feels better soon. We were around you guys a lot and Foz is vaccinated. However, can one of the symptoms be throwing up without coughing? Foz has been puking since our return and I'm really worried about him.
Oh, no!
It's probably not kennel cough if it's - uh - productive vomiting. Cacking without producing anything is pretty characteristic of kennel cough, though. There could be other bugs out and about and though I think the dogs had a blast, a weekened like this is also rather stressful for them; that much excitement, so many dogs in close proximity, lots of activity. It helps to build in some time out/quiet time and their own space so they can catch their breath now and then. Kristine |
Stacy wrote: Oh no! I hope she feels better soon. We were around you guys a lot and Foz is vaccinated. However, can one of the symptoms be throwing up without coughing? Foz has been puking since our return and I'm really worried about him.
Clyde's puked a couple of times since we came home, too. He didn't really eat much over the weekend and I think his tummy is just out of balance. |
| I hope Luna is feeling better.
We had kennel cough here about 15 yrs ago, then none until Chewie and Riley picked it up earlier this year. Chewie had been vaccinated about 5 months prior - so even if the strain was covered, he was at the end of any immunity from the vaccine. Then Riley got a real mild case from Chewie. We had to miss the 1st 2 weeks of Chewie's obedience class. Any exertion or pressure on his throat triggered the coughing/gagging spells. I was bummed, as he normally just works with me while I am teaching my classes. This was a class I actually paid $$ for and was so excited to go and get feedback from another trainer, who is also an obedience judge. Figures! 
Stacy - doesn't sound like KC for Fozzie. I hope he is feeling better soon too. |
| Thanks guys. Foz is puking and has the runs. He actually had the runs before we left for the trip. Antibiotic for a skin staph infection is what triggered it. We're going to a holistic vet a week from Sat to determine other options for his allergies and his tummy. My poor little guy |
| Harry was doing a gagging saliva puke on Sunday night and Monday day. But now he is back to his normal obnoxious self.
Last night he was kind enough to have poop stuck on his butt.
But I still gave him "doggie" ice cream when we had ice cream even though I was worried that it would have an adversed effect but like me he has his priorities straight when it comes to junk food.  |
| Geeeesh, these guyz don't travel very well....
I'm sorry so many are having issues! |
SheepieMommy wrote: Last night he was kind enough to have poop stuck on his butt.
Luna's butt is much Lika Harry's right now! For all my clipping and "indiscrete" looking hairstyling, she STILL managed to get a poopie butt yesterday! so I'm back from the vet (where theyy were kind enough to point out the poopie butt, like I hadn't noticed). I called them this morning and they insisted I rush her in. I asked "its just kennel cough, why the urgency?". They said it was important to eliminate any other possible causes. Well; its the mildest case of Kennel Cough ever, apparently. She did not cough when they pressed against her throat, which is usually a trigger. She doesn't have a fever. They wanted to put her on an antibiotic, and I declined; she JUST finished and antibiotic, and I think my girls get too much of that. We agreed that if her condition declines between now and Saturday I'll go back for the antibiotic and the cough syrup. The vet feels that her vaccine probably protected Luna from contacting a much more severe case. And Tonks has that diarrhea everyone is talking about; has had it since we got home. Poor dear, its obviously uncomfortable as she is asking to go out during the night too. And its a little bloody. SOMEONE gave her pork rinds on the ride home, and I'm sure that did not help matters. |
Ron wrote: Geeeesh, these guyz don't travel very well....
I'm sorry so many are having issues! I think Michelina and I traveled the farthest (at least consecutively) and my guys are fine. Morgan is sooo wound up still I sent him to day care today to run off some excess energy. any one who was at the dog park this weekend knows how funny that sounds cause Morgan is not one to really run - he patrols and oversees but not much running. Any way not sure if traveling has anything to do with it and sorry so many dogs aren't feeling well. |
| Luckily, Simon and Chewie are fine too. They both have gotten stress and exertion related diarhhea many times, so I actually am kind of (pleasantly) surprised. Especially since the whole family was on vacation without them for a week until the day before we left for St Louis. I was sure they would be having the squirty poops. |
Ron wrote: Geeeesh, these guyz don't travel very well....
I'm sorry so many are having issues! My guys actually travelled great; they were in love with the SUV we rented! I think for them the stress was the boarding for 6 days with thier trainer while we did a business trip, then home for less than 24 hours before we left for the Palooza. And lastly, with them being the youngest dogs there, the girls ended up on the bottom of every dog pile. Grooming Tonks last night, I noticed lots of small bite scabs around her neck. So I think that was more stressful for my girls than lounging in the luxury SUV for 10 hours! |
| I think I traveled worse than the dogs did. I came home with a cough and sinus thing, which I blame on our strangely always wet hotel room. I know Cindy and I talked about this, but did anyone else have constantly wet carpeting and mold all over the ceiling? If I die from black mold exposure, I may have to sue someone. |
I hope everybody is feeling better soon!  |
ButtersStotch wrote: I think I traveled worse than the dogs did. I came home with a cough and sinus thing, which I blame on our strangely always wet hotel room. I know Cindy and I talked about this, but did anyone else have constantly wet carpeting and mold all over the ceiling? If I die from black mold exposure, I may have to sue someone.
My room was dirty but no mold and not wet. the sidewalk outside my room was always wett - guess I had the only ac unit that leaked outside. |
kerry wrote: My room was dirty but no mold and not wet. the sidewalk outside my room was always wett - guess I had the only ac unit that leaked outside.
My room was quite decent. Plus I was right next to the grooming room. a definite added bonus when travelling with pigs. 
I attribute both to Dawn who seems to have a magical way with hotel/motel staff and checked in early for me I think I'm going to cancel my motel reservation at the national and have her re-make it for me. Just to be safe...
KB |
Mad Dog wrote: kerry wrote: My room was dirty but no mold and not wet. the sidewalk outside my room was always wett - guess I had the only ac unit that leaked outside. My room was quite decent. Plus I was right next to the grooming room. a definite added bonus when travelling with pigs. I attribute both to Dawn who seems to have a magical way with hotel/motel staff and checked in early for me I think I'm going to cancel my motel reservation at the national and have her re-make it for me. Just to be safe... KB And to think I went my whole life without knowing I have a motel-room-booking talent!!!
My room was both clean and dry. Even after the big 2" rain Sunday night. Jill stopped down to see my puppy I was transporting - she can vouch for the dryness, as she was deshedding Simon for me. (He still thanks you - he was absolutely hypnotic!) Maybe on my end (in Rm 105) I was on the high and dry end? The AC unit was supposed to vent water outside - all window units do that. (I have never had central AC, only window units......  ) |
| dawn can you use those talents to book a room for me for nationals? |
Ron wrote: Geeeesh, these guyz don't travel very well....
I'm sorry so many are having issues! I doubt it's the travel itself. That's the most relaxing part of the adventure. It's just a lot of activity, a lot of dogs, often in close proximity, emotions (the dogs' ) running high, and probably some dogs needed more down time. I was concerned about the heat on Sunday as mine hadn't seen anything over 60s since, oh, last year, but nothing much bothers them and nothing did this weekend either. But I was prepared for the possibility.
I saw a lot of dogs clearly go way over their comfort threshhold for a wide variety of reasons. Something to consider next year. Not that anybody's stomach issues are necessarily due to stress. But for some, that is probably a contributor. I missed Friday night because the person I was traveling with had to work until later than we anticipated, so I don't know how things were then. But already by dog park time I stepped into a few free for alls and growled at large groups to "knock it off". To their credit, as aroused as they clearly were, the entire group of I don't know how many dogs immediately did. A couple came grinning up to me like little kids caught in the act. Very cute. I was pretty impressed. Maybe we each need to have a little more presence when they're romping together so they know it's OK to play, but somebody other than them is still in charge. The two who had been chewing on each other rather forcefully looked quite relieved when they heard me barking instead of them.
And, no, don't ask me who they were except they were darn cute. Maybe we just individually need to build in a little more breaks and time away from the fray depending on what each of our individual dogs needs? Some dogs have a super high threshhold and nothing bothers them, typically dogs who have done a lot of dog events and a lot of traveling and have predominantly had good experiences. Some have an almost non-existent threshold - -having dogs constantly in their space gets to them very quickly. Most are somewhere in between and we each know our own dogs best. One of my youngest girls clearly showed me she needs some remedial work in the rude department. She got reprimanded twice by two very nice bitches when she stuck her nose where it didn't belong and with body language she had no business displaying (tall, in your face). My bad for not reading her and realizing it. I shall turn her over to her mother, grandmother and great aunts and let them knock the stuffing out of her a bit. You had to really look closely to notice what she was doing, but the two girl dogs she offended had no doubts in their mind and they told her to knock it off as effectively as I did to the group in the park. They probably would have let her get away with it on a normal day, but the stress of the enviroment lowered even their threshholds. Most of us aren't as relaxed in the constant company of a new group of people, even people we like, as we are among small groups of people we know well. We need time-outs even from positive stress to keep on a level keel. Same with our dogs. Kristine |
kerry wrote: dawn can you use those talents to book a room for me for nationals?
Sure, just gimme your credit card info........
Seriously, I can if you want me to. |
got sheep wrote: Sure, just gimme your credit card info........
Seriously, I can if you want me to.  |
| Kristine...
That was very informative. When we reached the dog park, Heart just laid by me and would not interact at all. I even tried to move away from her to give her space, but the only thing that did was make her anxious and she began to look for me--- After about an hour, I decidedd my little girl was totally tired and had no intention of playing anymore so we left. Since this was a new experience for the both of us, I learned that once she is done....she is done and the best thing is to get her home and let her rest. (I guess I just figured that since she is 11 months old, she would have the energy to keep playing and playing.?.....) When (if) we go to Nationals, I will be taking her away for breaks and alone time so as not to get her too tired and stressed. Thank again for the insight!!!! |
| Kristine-
I am SO glad you mentioned this! Oliver was a little shy at the boat house, but did just great while eating, of course we ate with only 2 other sheepies. We didn't go to the dog park because I was too nervous for Oliver. We got growled at a couple times at the boathouse and again before we ate. After seeing Oliver get attacked twice, being around so many dogs just plain scares me. I love all the dogs, but Oliver may stay home next year. |
| The Mafia have strong constitutions and are doing fine.
I did however feed water and give regular air conditioned naps throughout Sunday as they were getting overcooked! Joe |
| I think the key was to judge your own dog's experience, and adjust accordingly.
Tonks and Luna are really very social, and loving pups. So when they were snapping at every dog that passed by and were "guarding" our seating area, I figured they'd had enough. So when i would have normally put them in the large play area to burn off some energy, I instead took them for individual walks, and kept them close by us, on short leashes. I think next year, when they are no longe the youngest ones there, they'll have even more fun and less stress. |
| You might want to try Pro-Pectalin for the bad diarreah. I am keeping it around for Nigel right now...he gets it bad when the weather starts to change and get hot...bloody too.
It is a paste for dogs and cats made of Kaopectate and Enteroccus faecium. I got it from the vet, but you could probably get it from 1-800-petmeds. I use it at the first sign now and it clears him up within a day or two. |
| They have it at California Vet supplies...just google the Pro-pectalin to get the web address. |
| i usually just give them pumpkin with their food, but this is a bid worse than usual, and the pumpkin isn't helping.
I know alot of people suggest 1/2 an Immodium tablet (provided your dog does not test positive on the MDR1). Can anyone suggest which Immodium? Just the regular variety? |
| I have given liquid immodium to Nigel, but this stuff works so much better. I just gave him a child size dose of the immodium. Why not ask your vet if he has the other stuff? It really was amazing and Nigel was real bad too...totally liquid. It isn't very expensive either...less than $20.00. |
| okay; have been reading up on it... theres a tablet form too. anyone have any experience with that? |
| Just used the gel...but it is really easy to give them. It looks like grease...just squirt it into the back of their teeth...they can't spit it out. |
| any more sick sheepies from st louis? just wanted to check. |
| Well, Luna's Kennel cough is RIDICULOUSLY mild. She didn't cough at all yesterday (that I heard) and so far only once this morning. So I think that the stress of travel and stuff probably made her susceptible, but her vaccine actually helped to keep it really minor. |
| Both my boys are doing fine. Nothing unusual for them.
I don't know if anyone remembers last year. When we came home Simon quit eating. Went to the vets numerous times and he lost 9lbs. He went from 74lbs to 66lbs. At the moment he's weighing in at 70lbs...after a winter low of 60lbs. Kristine, I think its probably the group that Gar was in that you barked at. He is a TROUBLE MAKER!!! Races around everywhere looking for action and then joins in. Stacy, I'm sorry to hear that Foz is still not feeling well. I hope things improve soon. |
| Stacy;
any update of Fozzie? I'm worried about your poor boy! |
Simon's Mom wrote: Kristine, I think its probably the group that Gar was in that you barked at. He is a TROUBLE MAKER!!! Races around everywhere looking for action and then joins in.
Yeah, the stinker did that at my house too. I would have recognized him...he's kind of hard to miss!
Kristine |
| I just wanted to check in and pass on something my vet mentioned yesterday. We were chatting about the St Louis trip - he is from tha area at some point- and I mentioned how stressful it was on the dogs.
he asked if they had diarrhea or vomiting dour to the stress. I didn't know the could vomit from stress - poop yes I was aware of that - Morgan finds walking stressful .
Anyway just wanted to pass on that some of the dogs that had vomiting issues may not have been ill just stressed. who knew! |
Darth Snuggle wrote: Stacy;
any update of Fozzie? I'm worried about your poor boy! Thanks for checking in! Foz did go to the vet on Friday as his vomiting continued through Friday morning. The vet didn't find anything out of the ordinary with him, but did think it was stressed related. The diarrhea started a few days before the trip and the stress exacerbated it from both ends. He gave Foz subcutaneous fluid and a shot of an anti-nausea med. We left with ID food and he hasn't puked or had runny poop since then. Oddly or not so oddly enough, I've been having stomach issues all week. I also attribute them to excited stress as well and and all the fast food I ate over the weekend. Again, Foz is definitely my boy |
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