Growly Guinness
 I raised my voice to him and put him in a down stay. I was so embarrassed....Why would my good ol boy do this?. Bogart is not neutered could that be a reason?Bogart is under a year and sweet as can be. I don't want a bru ha ha at Mandys this weekend. Guinness is a therapy dog and is around lots of dogs so this has me concerned. |
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| I would definitely suspect it is because Bogart is not neutered. Guinness can tell because at this age Bogart's hormones are probably at his highest levels. If Bogart is any bit puppy-like or disrepectfull, Guinness will no longer be tolerating any puppyness.
Many people have unneutered dogs that are friendly and non-agressive to other dogs....It is not the intact dog who can be the problem, but it is the other neutered dogs who might not like him. Bosley is fine with other male neutered dogs, and intact dogs that are respectful...But he has no patience for any rude unaltered dogs..and often won't even play with them..He gets rough with them right away, and won't tolerate any nonsense. But an intact dog that is mature and calm and oooozes respect, Bosley is fine with. |
| Bogart was a gentleman in my eyes but maybe Guinness saw something else ? |
| HI Cindy
Everytime we have an unaltered rescue dog come in our dogs all seem to get easier agitated...(even though all of ours are) Two years ago we had a mess when we had two males and two females, within two months come in unaltered I dont know what the answer is but, I have met Guiness and he sure is a sweetie he was great with our fur babies! I bet he sensed something you didnt see, maybe they just weren't meant to be friends! Kathy |
| Guinness played well with Toby when we came down and he's not neutered and didn't Frank have all of his parts when he came down?
Maybe it's the unnerutered little kid thing all combined. His young age plus having all those hormones? |
| Hi Cindy:
I know my nephew, Guinness, and he is a sweetie. This also happens with Ben and Fozzie (who you know to be lambs) whenever an unaltered male comes in. With Bogart being a year old, I guess Guinness doesn't regard him as a puppy anymore and doesn't afford him the slack he would show a puppy. Sharon Hooper |
Toby had everything but I think Frank was missing a few parts  It just suprised me and I just don't know how to handle it. I suppose most dogs we meet are altered. Bogart and Guinness will be in the same room when we come to learn more grooming skills, oh boy, this should be good.
Sharon!! Glad to see you on here  |
I think people tend to get hung up on the intact part. I remember Dawn coming back from a predominantly pet sheepdog gathering last year and being surprised that people would all but pull their dogs away in fear when they heard that Chewie is intact.  Anybody who has met Chewie knows how silly that is. But it's a good way to teach your own dog fear.
I've lived - and still do - with altered and intact dogs in "mixed" <gasp> packs and taken any and all everywhere and met all kinds of other dogs and never had any issues. The intact males are no different than their neutered counterparts, expect perhaps a bit easier going and more loving, IF there is no bitch in season present (then the ones I've lived with will whine and carry on - and sometimes seem to form little whiny male support groups and follow me around all day en masse ). No aggression whatsoever. But then they're all from a rather pacifistic line of OES. You judge the dog, not the hormones or lack thereof. A dog who is going to be offended by an intact dog is a dog who is looking for a reason to be offended anyway.
Age, however, is a different matter all together and you can be sure that Bogart's puppy license had expired. Dogs read body language we can't even perceive and Guinness may rightly have perceived rudeness in the offing and told him "don't even think about it, fart breath!" Even Belle, the queen of reading dogs and diffusing situations will do that. I remember the weekend she got her CD. My novice A dog. We got it in three days straight with placements and then passed her TDI with the evaluator raving about her as the icing on the cake. I was so proud of her. I NEEDED to share this with another OES person, but it was a Monday, so no local breeders were there. I did however run into a very sweet Canadian breeder and as I'm telling her this - she doesn't know me from Adam and is just being very nice about my enthusiasm  - she's standing there with her special and a young male. The male is bouncing around at the end of his lead and here I am bragging about my wonderful bitch when Belle starts telling the male off and she sounds like Cujo!!!!  I wanted to crawl under a rock, but the breeder was smarter than your average Joe, read the situation and just laughed.
Besides which, just like people, dogs are going to have their personal likes and dislikes in other dogs. Did Guinness do anything to actually harm the brat? Doesn't sound like it. Does he do this normally? Nope again from the sound of it. So the bottom line is he had every right to express his disdain and frankly, if it ever happens again, don't be embarrassed and though you have the right to expect him to behave within reason (no bloodshed), he did and he probably taught Bogie an important lesson or two about respecting your elders in the process. Frankly, I'd be proud of him and, if Bogie too was my dog, grateful. Guinness wasn't being aggressive, he was educating the little guy. Problem is, we've been programmed to view every little thing a dog does along those lines as aggressive when it's often just part of every day dog parlance. Take their voice away from them (by reprimanding them and such - though I too will say knock it off past a certain point and if it persists give a warning growl that I'LL handle the situation, thank you very much) and do it often enough and you're more likely, not less, to end up with problems in the long run. Kristine |
Ahhhh I was waiting to hear from you Kristine. Just surprised me that my wonderful therapy dog  would be such an a#* So I should let he and Bogart work it out I have NEVER had Guinness turn his lip up as he did with poor bogie. It was out of place for Guinness. We will see how it goes in the hotel and at Mandy's. As always I thank everyone for input We have three (well now two) 4 month old female dutch shepherds here and Guinness has been wonderful to them! When he herds them and they roll he jumps over them so he does not tromp on them.  Bogart was a little rough with the puppers and we had to hold him while they pottied. So I guess all in all it is OK. |
4dognight wrote: We have three (well now two) 4 month old female dutch shepherds here.
Oh, wow! I've never seen one. Pictures please??? Kristine |
| I have never heard of a Dutch Shepherd before. So I went on the rescue site for them...they are beautiful animals. Wow, those ears and line of their faces. They really are beautiful creatures...good luck in finding your two rescues homes. (I learn so much on this forum ) |
| They are beautiful |
| I put pics in my photos of my girls. |
They are so adorable...love their faces.
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| oh my they are beautiful |
| Out of curiosity, where did this occur? in guinesses home? it may be territorial. Not in a bad way but telling bogie ... you behave here |
| yep, in the kitchen was the lip curl (I have never seen him do this!!) but he was not very nice in the yard. I think he was being a big butt I still love him the big goof, he has a good heart We will see how it goes when Bogarts mom and I (plus Guinness) room together in Harrisburg |
I really would wait and see how he does on the road trip. Many dogs can be a little "territorial" and possibly could have just been setting up his dominance( of course I am probably way off base and someone will shoot me out of the water  ) |
| NAH I won't shoot you Other dogs have come and gone . friends dogs and rescue dogs etc. This is the only time he has shown his teeth in a semi growl you knoe lip lifting, heck he rides a bus full of dogs and they are all nose to nose when our therapy group goes to events. I guess he did not like bogart. It has made me a little nervous but he was out and about with other dogs last night with the reading program at the elementary school and had no problems. Thanks for your thoughts. He is soooo attached to me sigh.... |
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