Puppy Teeth
I have never had an OES puppy that has "puppy molars". There is only the adult molars and they are the last to come in of all the teeth, usually starting around 6 months of age. I am having a debate with someone right now who "insists" that all dogs have "puppy molars", and they will fall out and be replaced by adult molars. They are even going so far as to say that an 11 week old puppy needs surgery to make an incision to open up the "impacted molars" so they come through. Anyone ever heard of this?? Every website I have come across has said the same as I do. Anyone else have different experiences?? |
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| Never heard of that Amber...I think that person may be confused. I had someone tell me one time they had seen a cat/rabbit cross...also a bizarre comment. |
Blueshire wrote: They are even going so far as to say that an 11 week old puppy needs surgery to make an incision to open up the "impacted molars" so they come through. Anyone ever heard of this??
Every website I have come across has said the same as I do. Anyone else have different experiences?? Nope 
Boy strange people must have genetically altered unusual dogs. Fancy that mis-information and what an awfull thing to do to a baby pup at 11 weeks old, they must have an unusual vet if they have that done on a pup  , gawd knows where they get there information from, strange strange and weird. 
Mine don't have puppy molars and you are correct the molars come through with the permanent teeth and are the last to break through. |
| I swear that I have had little molars lost from my dogs. I even had one I saved for several months - I think it was from Riley. It definitely wasn't an incisor - it looked like little mountains.
So I did a search, and found this info on a Berner website in their breed standard description. It mentions that the puppies have deciduous (baby teeth) premolars, as well as other deciduous teeth. http://www.bmdcsew.org/illustratedbmd/teeth.php See the paragraphs about half way down  uppy teeth - growth and Puppy teeth - management. |
| I think premolar is a term for the teeth before the molars...that is my thought anyway. I don't think it is a baby molar, just inbetween an incisor and a molar. |
Your correct Wendy, if you look at that link and the picture of the teeth premolar and molars are entirely different, molars last ones at the back of the jaw, premolars are before them.  |
| Yes, that is what I was trying to say. The premolars look like little molars. I'm sure that is what the original post and confusion was. They were seeing deciduous premolars being lost and they were mistaken for molars. |
| Thanks everyone...I'm not just a crazy breeder!
Let me tell you the whole story. I received a message from a family in Colorado who has one of my pups (he is 11 weeks old) They said they had him to the vets for his second set of vaccines. He was perfect except for one very very serious thing. He was going to require surgery for his "impacted molars", and that this was going to be a huge expense. They wrote that the vet had only ever seen this once on a wheaton. So naturally, knowing that puppies do not have molars at this age, I told her she must have misunderstood the diagnosis, and naturally, I wanted to speak directly to the vet that seen the pup to find out was going on. So I call the vet. She tells me that yes, Toby has all his teeth except for his molars and will need to have a surgery in order to let them grow through, since there was only tissue there and no molars. I told her puppies at 11 weeks do not have molars, she said yes they do! She went on and on how she has been a vet for 15 years and has only seen this once, and was really getting hyper and argueing with me. So I thanked her very much for her time...lol....and let her go. My puppy people are as they say "in the middle" between me and their vet. I told them to seek a third opinion if they felt it necessary. They will keep me posted. I just wanted to make sure I was right! Thanks again. |
| I wonder if there is a doggie dentist in this person's vacinity? Of course there is the CSU Vet Med Hospital.......that would surely solve the question.
I seriously question cutting around when there is still just "tissue" and not an impacted tooth. Do we do surgery on children because their wisdom teeth might be impacted in 4 years? Could this have been a premolar problem, not a molar? |
| I asked the vet specifically premolar or molar, and she said molar.
Impacted would mean that the adult teeth are trying to come in and either the baby teeth are still there or there is no room for them to come in. |
| So that impacted doesn't fit. Makes no sense to cut perfectly good tissue...I'm confused. Granted, those molars are way, way back there.....maybe in the way of muscles/ligaments in the far back of the mouth?
Granted the time to correct an incoming permanent teeth problem is only about 2 weeks, sounds like this vet was jumping the gun.......or is that gum in this case? |
| I double checked my dentistry for dogs and cats book to be sure and here is the forumla for dog teeth both puppy and adult.
The mouth is divided into 4 quadrants, upper left, upper right, lower left and lower right. Puppy teeth: the puppy has i3/3, c1/1, p3/3 this translates to each quadrant of the mouth has 3 incisors in the front of the top jaw over 3 incisors in the bottom jaw, followed by 1 canine in each section, and 3 premolars in each section. There are thus no molars. Molars come in with the adult teeth. It is possible that the tooth formation of adult teeth doesnt develope normally and thus there needs to be made a small incision for them to break through. Puppies have a total of 28 teeth and adults have a total of 42 teeth. The vet may also mean that if the baby teeth are there and there is no room that they may need to pull the baby teeth in order for the incoming teeth to grow in properly and in their correct positions. Honestly though, if this pup is only on its second set of shots I think it may be a bit early to tell. I would honestly tell them to get a second opinion and possibly get a referral to a canine/feline dental clinic. |
| I'd get a new vet, the adult molars don't come in til about 6-7 months usually anyway... |
| I found this forum during my search for other things. I work in a veterinary clinic so I thought I could help out. Let me explain a few things. Dogs have incisors, canines, pre-molars, and molars. Deciduous teeth are baby teeth. They lose these when adult teeth begin to come in. It is rare, but impacted teeth can happen. What happens is the baby teeth come out and no adult teeth follow. Veterinarians can do x-rays to see where the adult teeth are. If the baby teeth come out too early, the gums can heal leaving no where for the adult teeth to come through. The surgery consists of opening a spot in the gums for the adult teeth to come through. This is a real thing and I have seen it a few times. It doesn't mean you are a bad breeder or anything else. It happens. Google impacted puppy teeth and you should find more information. |
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