Food from Strangers and Excitement when visitors? Help
 . He is so sociable, so thats worry me 
Another one.... Do all the OES jumps and bites at the same time when a visitor arrives? I know that is for excitement. How can I control that? 
Thanks 4 all. dani, Argentina |
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| Sorry, don't know how to stop him accepting food from strangers other than if your there to tell the person not to give him anything to eat.
However, when it comes to jumping up I am getting there with mine! It takes constant input and a lot of patience. Whenever someone comes remind him to 'stay down' a number of times, giving a little smack on the nose if necessary. Tell him to 'sit', making sure that you (and the other person) gives him praise for staying down and sitting. As I said it takes a while to get it through and you will probably need to interupt your conversation with the other person several times to instruct and reward your dog, but it is worth it in the end. |
| I'm not a professional trainer and my oes is only 6 months old but the trainer we go to class with told us the leave it command id useful in getting dogs to refuse food for anything/anyone but you.
Take a treat that your dog will find eniticing, ask him to go down (if he dosen't know how to do this try putting him into a sit by holding the treat above his head and then holding it on the floor in front of him, and saying down). As he goes to eat the treat you should now close your fist hold your finger up and say "leave it'. Put it on the floor, every time he tries to snatch it scoop it up and say ahh uh "leave it" firmly. After he has left it for a little while (you can gradually increase this from a few seconds to a few minutes) reward him and hold it for him, give it to him saying "take it" and praise him. The trainer says eventually he will only ever take treats this way (although my pup is not to this stage yet , but learned the useful leave it command this way very quickly). It's also a good idea to get your dog to stay while you put out his food dish at mealtimes and wait for you to say "ok" to eat his meals. I don't know about you other oes owners, but I foud this necessary from the first days as he was making such a fuss as I prepared his meals, as he grew it was obviously going to get out of hand (now he is not excited by mealtime at all and realises I'm in charge of when he eats not his demands, usually recognised in the training books as a good thing to prevent dominant behaviour). |
| Hello,
I am not a professional traner either, but I do attend training class with my 18 mo OES that has been an enjoyable experience and quite different from the usually obedience class. Our trainer Pat inveneted a new type of training collar. She calls it the Q collar. It simply looks like a little bone that fits on theb dogs flat collar. In this style of training, the dog wears 2 collars one collar is generally attached to a long line attached to a stationary object and the other collar is attached to a long leash. The correction is made by pulling the two collars apart. The dog if it wants to end the correction must end the behavior simply by stepping forward or following through on the command. Teaching leave it in this matter is simple. Set the dog up with a double line one of course to a stationary object. Place a food item just beyond the dog and when the dogs does for it correct with the leash, give the command. The dog learns very quickly what the command means and decides to leave it alone. My OES has several food allergies and I do not allow her to take food from people. This simple command has saved me from cleaning up many messes afterward. The same idea can be applied whe visitors arrive. My OES is very social and would jump on anyone. I use a "settle rug" When visitors arrive she is to go to her rug and "wait" for a release. Again I used a double line with a stationary object to teach this. Another simple way to prevent the dog from jumping is to drag a leash. Step on the leash when you greet the person and the dog no longer can jump up. The website http://quansaqcollar.com/ talks about Pat's training style and the Q-collar. She has some great insights to dogs and their behaviors and her focus is to teach a dog manners. She does a lot of rescue work and has used this collar and set up to see immediate results in her dogs. |
| THANKS A LOT GUYS for your tips. When I am alone with him he sits, and do down… etc. but if it is someone, he doesn't. Right now, 2 strangers were at my gate, and he (Shanti) allowed to caress!!! I am worry, not only for him, also for me. Those people might think (if they are thieves) that is very easy to enter to my house. Dog won't be dangerous.
When I catch Shanti allowing the caress, I open the door and say with a tone very "angry" NO!!! but he doesn't pay me attention.... Any tips? Thanks, Dani & Shanti Argentina. |
| Hi Dani and Shanti,
The response and answers you recieved was really good. I also checked out the site that was mentioned...seems that collar works really well. Here's another suggestion in the meantime. When I took both my dogs to obience the trainer suggested some things to prevent a dog from bolting if a door or gate were left unlocked and also how to prevent "Shaggy" from jumping on people. She asked me to place Shaggy on a long lease we walked the perimeter of my yard..(only the front as this was not fenced) Everytime she was to step off the property I was to yank firmly back and say NO in a firm voice. I used only her regular collar. We would continue walking around the yard but again if she got to the edge I would pull back on the lease firmly and repeat NO. After several days of doing this she got the idea. It was amazing and saved me so much concern as everytime someone previously had arrived at my door she would try to bolt. Worked so well, in fact, that once when my back gate was knocked down in a windstorm....both my dogs were sitting happily in the front waiting for me until I arrived home. Although I never had as much success with preventing her to jump 100% of the time, here's something that the trainer suggested. Again she was on her collar and shorter lease. I was supposed to have the help of a friend....have them ring the doorbell. The door would open and "Shaggy" would try to jump on them. I was to pull back on her lease and say NO. It was successful that she no longer jumped on friends and strangers... arriving at my door but she always continued to jump up on me... 
Perhaps give it a try, regarding the perimeter of your yard so that she stops away enough from the gate so people can't reach over to pet your dog. I suspect if a burgler entered homes with OES they would get licked to death. |
| Hello all.
I too have done the yard thing with my Sheepie. I walked the perimeter, and taught her the word "yard" then I walked through the yard crossing over the boundary and told her yard. I had some one else hold a second line attached so if she crossed the boundary they would give her a correction. This works wonderfully now, because I do not have a fenced in yard. I do leave a long line on dragging though just in case. I have repeated this exercise in the house. I have been remodeling the kitchen and my OES wants to be right next to me. I set up her "yard" just outside the room, and believe it or not, she doesn't come in  |
Finally!!! I have found the page again! I got a virus in my laptop and I couldn’t answered you since then. Also forgot my name and password 
Thanks guys for all your answers and advices!!! =o) 
I am still trying to “educate” him. What I was doing is shaking a can full of coins (saw this tip on Animal Planet) when he let people to pet him or give food. Sometimes works. 90% doesn’t (jeje) How is the weather treating all of you and your OES? I read that is very hot this year… I will send a longer message later..!! Kisses Dani and Shanti |
| I used to train professionally. The best advise I ever got on jumping was from a trainer in Washington some years ago. I found it works better with my sheepdogs than any other method. When they jump up on you step lightly on the toes of their back feet. Before long they realize that jumping up is uncomfortable for them! I suppliment with Down! to make sure they get the message. It has worked for my dogs without fail. |
| En pasado, vivamos en Bahia Blanca. No aprendo escribir en espanol asi volvia a ingles.
I would not try to make your dog mean. Here meter men come into our yard to read the meters. Abbi, our dog, usually runs to greet everyone, but when these men come into the yard she stands at alert, ready to pounce and barks the deepest loudest barks I have ever heard. The meter men began ringing the door first. I have since introduced her to them, but I still take her inside if I see them coming. Abbi know no fear--except of me thunder,and lightenning. I do not think my sheepie would lick a stranger now, although she will lick children. My Abbi cannot eat anything with milk, eggs, onions in it. She is a mess. So I started tossing food over the fence with vinagar and pepper in it. After she tore into the first two bags of "poisonned" food, she hasn't touch the others. I am going to try the methods mentioned above myself. It would be great to know that Abbi would not eat anything unless I give her permission . |
| As it is fall here and we are getting ready for winter, I suppose it is sprin down there and you are getting ready for the heat. It is about the right time to see the whales down in Puerta Madryn isn't it. And I guess the penguins are nesting at Punta Tombo. Wonder what is happenning in the Sierra Ventanas!
Hope you are having a lovely Spring. Abbi use to run the grate every time a dog passed. And there were lots of dogs in Bahia Blanca. Nobody ever thought to go over our fence down there because they thought we were crazy. We would all run the cats out of the house with brooms and Abbi leading the pack. Bahia Blanca had demassiada los gatos. They would come right in the house ..... Buen suerte! Give your dog a hug for me. |
Paula Jean wrote: When they jump up on you step lightly on the toes of their back feet. Before long they realize that jumping up is uncomfortable for them! I suppliment with Down! to make sure they get the message. It has worked for my dogs without fail.
Thanks Paula, I will try that. Also I read about take him down with my knee! that didn't work, might be because I did it lightly... I really don't like any kind of "agression"... so maybe is that why Shanti does not respect me when I give him any order...... and that happens mostly when people are around... he pays more attention on them.
People tell me that is because he is spoil 
besos dani and off course... Shanti |
Anonymous wrote: En pasado, vivamos en Bahia Blanca. No aprendo escribir en espanol asi volvia a ingles. THAT'S ONE IN A MILLION!!! I DO LIVE EN BUENOS AIRES. SAN ISIDRO. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN ARGENTINA?
I would not try to make your dog mean. NEITHER DO I. Abbi usually runs to greet everyone. SHANTI DOES TOO!!! """ HE ACTS LIKE... I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU CAME TO VISIT US...""" 
men come into the yard she stands at alert, ready to pounce and barks the deepest loudest barks I have ever heard. HE DOESN'T. MAYBE BECAUSE ABBI KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT THIS MEN THAT WE CAN'T FEEL!! Abbi know no fear--except of me thunder,and lightenning. LOL!!! SO IS THE BREED! SHANTI IS ALSO AFRAID OF THUNDER AND THE WIND!!! I MEAN WHEN IS VERY WINDY DAY. So I started tossing food over the fence with vinagar and pepper in it. GREAT TIP. THANKS... I WILL TRY THAT... I KNOW THAT SHANTI IS CUTE (LOL) BUT PEOPLE THROUGHT HIM BANANAS, BREAD, ETC. AS IF HE IN THE ZOO!!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AS SHANTI STARTS PLAYING WITH "THIS FOOD" (BUTT UP), SOMETIMES I CAN CATCH IT AND TELL PEOPLE NOT TO DO IT. BUT SOMETIMES THAT ACTITUD DRIVES ME CRAZY.
BESOS DANI AND OFF COURSE.... SHANTI |
| YES. WE ARE GETTING READY FOR SPRING!!! NOW WE DO HAVE A CRAZAY WEATHER... BUT I LOVE IT... NOT TO COLD. NOT TO HOT.
It is about the right time to see the whales down in Puerta Madryn isn't it. And I guess the penguins are nesting at Punta Tombo. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN PUERTO MADRYN...
WHERE ARE YOU? AND NAME? Buen suerte! TO U 2. AND GIVE ABBY A HUG FOR ME 2....[/quote] BESOS DANI AND SHANTI |
| I did not visit BA very much. We did get down to Ushuaia and the Patagonia. Saw the Falls. Went over to Bariloche. Since we flew in and out of BA, we saw the downtown area We live in Texas now. My husband builds chemical plants ... so we've bee around. I think Bonnie's owner stayed in BA for a year. You should go to the chit chat area and ask. I know she's on the oesL or List.
I hope Shanti learns one way or the other. Here in the US, most of us do not have gates out into the front, right off of the sidewalk and street like they do down there. I live in a small town, but even in our large cities we do not live as close together as people do elsewhere. Still, somebody started poisoning dogs here this last spring (your fall). They threw bags of poisoned chicken over fences. We worried in our neighborhood and decided to try to train our dogs not to touch strange food. The training is not 100%. Some of my neighbors dogs never learned and actually seemed to like the vinagar and pepper. We were going to try ammonia, but did not want to actually make the dogs sick. We all bring our dogs in at night now, but it makes you upset to think ..... If anyone has any other suggestions besides the "leave it"/ "take it command" let me know. Abbi doesn't go for bags of stuff, but she still takes hand proffered foods. |
| YOU HAVE VISITED A LOT OF BEUTIFUL PLACES. I'VE BEEN IN BARILOCHE, GREAT PLACE.
I think Bonnie's owner stayed in BA for a year. You should go to the chit chat area and ask. I know she's on the oesL or List. I WILL CHECK Here in the US, most of us do not have gates out into the front, right off of the sidewalk and street like they do down there. THANKS, YOU EXPLAINNED GREAT. THE PICTURE BELOW MY NAME DESCRIBE MY FRONT. THAT IS SHANTI'S FAVORITE SPOT.. Still, somebody started poisoning dogs here this last spring (your fall). They threw bags of poisoned chicken over fences. DID YOU EVER KNOW ABOUT WHO WAS THE GUY? WELL, I AM MOSTLY AFRAID OF THAT. Abbi doesn't go for bags of stuff, but she still takes hand proffered foods. /quote] SHANTI DOES IT ALSO. FIRST HE TAKES IT, THEN THREW IT ON THE FLOOR, AND STARTS TO PLAY WITH THE FOOD- THINKING THAT IT IS A REWARD. SOMETIMES I CAN CATCH IT, BUT I CAN NOT WATCH HIM ALL DAY..... |
| I am so happy, I learned how to put a photo in the profile. I did it, I did it!
Danik, your Shanti looks great! I love that photo because I knew you lived in Argentina instantly. Our house in Bahia Blanca had a patio grate just like yours. The mail person would just throw the mail in there. Abbi loved the magazines best, they made lots of noise. It is hard to watch them all of the time. I have 3 girls and Abbi. The girls laugh at me for worrying about where Abbi is more than where they are at. But we are talking about behavior here. They never found out who was throwing the "poisoned food" over the fences. No idea. Never happenned again. The first yard that had the poisoned food in it had 2 dogs. One of them died from the poison. The second house had three dogs and a cat. One of the dogs was very sick and has died later. The poison was anti-freeze (ethylene glycol) and the bags were turned over to the police. Every few years someone decides to poison their neighbors noisy dogs I think. We made sure all of our neighbors knew we loved our dogs and would try to work with them if they have problems (like the dogs bark too much). It seems to have made a difference. I think it is good to talk to your neighbors and try to get them to pet your dog. If somebody knows you they treat you better I think. And if my dog ever runs out of our fence, we know our neighbors will bring her back now. It has happened 2 times now. And I take their cats and dogs back to them. It has helped. |
| I also know this is not about behavior, but I hit Abbi page and she is sooo cute.
I am trying to do a Shanti page... always updating pictures.... besos dani |
| I looked at your Yahoo photo site earlier. Your Shanti is !que guapo!.
His hair is so long and well kept. I guess we should move this discussion over to another subject. But I have tried some of the previous suggestions about keeping Abbi from jumping. I think I need to practice more. She jumps on me, but very lightly and only when I am talking to her or she wants something. She has never scared me, but she used to knock the youngest down 3 years ago. Now my youngest is 8 and Abbi is the one who runs. Not really. The two of them are close. Write more later. Cia! Carol |
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