Anti Crate Legislation
Please get involved in writing against this action. i will try to find some links. Kerry |
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I hope you can find the links, this should prove to be interesting  |
| Oi hope its okay to cross post this - permission was given on the other site:
Feel free to cross post... Dog owners in SC and surrounding states need to fight this! The South Carolina legislature almost certainly influenced by animal rights groups has quietly slipped a new section into the anti tethering bill that they have been working on for two years. The bill is S833. The new section is an ANTI CRATING amendment. The bill will allow animal rights groups and law enforcement to go after any dog that is caged in any way. Crate, kennel, cage, x pen, tether. It has the standard stuff about adequate water and sustenance but it is very broad with a sentence saying anyone who "should know better" can be punished. This is of course DELIBARATLY non definable ad broad. The original bill had an exclusion on tethering for hunters. That has been removed. This is the current version of the bill as of Thursday. Section 1B was added Thursday: __http://tinyurl.http://tin__ (http://tinyurl.http//tin_) (_http://tinyurl.com/yv63fp_ (http://tinyurl.com/yv63fp) ) Some of us have experienced ARs coming to dog events and releasing dogs out of crates. With this bill they can come with measuring tape instead. Alison **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvemen ... 0000000001) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) |
| I'll admit that I didn't read this super thoroughly but it doesn't seem like it's anti-crating, but anti-cruelty. More to keep people from tying their dogs to stuff all day or leaving them attached to stationary objects. This is the first introduction:
Quote: TO AMEND THE CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, BY ADDING SECTION 47-1-45 SO AS TO PROHIBIT THE TETHERING, FASTENING, CHAINING, TYING, OR RESTRAINING A DOG TO A STATIONARY OBJECT FOR MORE THAN THREE HOURS A DAY OR FOR MORE THAN SIX HOURS A DAY ON A TROLLEY SYSTEM; TO PROVIDE CLASS I MISDEMEANOR CRIMINAL PENALTIES; AND TO AUTHORIZE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BY ORDINANCE TO VARY THESE REGULATIONS.
Crates are mentioned but more in the vein of cruelty, not like in use for training in a humane way. Am I reading it wrong? |
| I see this mostly as an anti-cruelty action too, but the problem is is that some of the verbage is kind of loose, so I can see it being interpreted wrongly.
Where is the "ANTI CRATING" amendment? Don't see that at all on the web link you posted. Only see statements about making sure that the animal's health is not in jeopardy while confined. |
| (1) 'Confine an animal in a cruel manner' or cruel confinement of an animal' means confining an animal by means of a cage, crate, pen, or similar confinement under circumstances in which the person intends to endanger the animal's health or safety, or the person reasonably should have known would endanger the animal's health or safety. 'Confine an animal in a cruel manner' or 'cruel confinement of an animal' includes, but is not limited to, a confinement that: (a) confines an animal for such an unreasonable period of time that the animal's health or safety is endangered; (b) does not permit an animal to stand, turn around, sit, and lie down in a normal position; (c) cause bodily injury to an animal; (d) does not permit an animal access to sustenance; (e) does not permit proper ventilation for an animal; or (f) is not kept in a sanitary condition. One thing that I see might be a problem is (d). Often dogs are crated without water of food, and people know that they dog should have access to water all the time...but that still doesn't put the dog's health at risk. And of cource the phrase "but not limited to" makes it pretty open to interpretation about what constitutes cruel confinelement. Sure would take care of those puppy mills and flea markets that have dogs in tiny crates where there is nowhere for the dog to poop... |
Bosley's mom wrote: And of cource the phrase "but not limited to" makes it pretty open to interpretation about what constitutes cruel confinelement.
Right, and the radical animal activists will jump all over that. We still crate Haggis at night, and sometimes during the day if need be. I can't imagine how huge he would be if we constantly left food in his crate...  |
| I can't get into the legislation site - but I know from my own work that phrases like you quote "causes bodily injury" - not is intended to cause bodily injury can be used very broadly. I also think th enot limited to is very problematic - as we saw fro the what is cruelty thread it doesn't take much for people to start belieeing domething is cruel.
I agree there are uses of crates that are bad and cruel - but they probably are illegal already. Things like this added to a well thought out and aired legislation is usually a way to get somebody else on board - or to repay someone for something else. As I said I can't get on the site to read the bill but the coverage I saw of the original bill banned 24/7 tethering. these "well meaning" additions usual end up being more problematic than the entire rest of the bill. |
| Kerry - from a practical point of view, as far as the crate situation is concerned, watch your back, or rather your dogs' backside, once you start showing/trialing.
Smaller stand alone obedience/agility trials aren't generally a problem, nor specialties, since most people know each other and look out for each others dogs, but the better publicized, bigger conformation shows that draw more of the public - with or without performance events attached - can attract some of the animal rights nutcases. It's been a while, but there was a period when they'd let dogs out of crates to roam free and worse. Make friends, crate in groups and make sure someone has an eye on the dogs at all times. A good friend padlocks her dogs' crates at allbreed shows. That seemed a little extreme to me the first time we trialed together at a cluster in MN, but she was at one of the shows that was targeted, so I don't argue with her. I'm always torn between mesh crates, which would make it harder to slip the dog something, but can be easily and quickly cut open, and metal crates which I can lock, but which are more open and make me nervous on that count. Always empty, rinse and refill any bucket of water for your dog when you return your dog to a crate that has been left unattended even briefly. Just something to keep in mind. Because of the public nature of dog shows, you probably can't stop someone who is uttterly determined to harm dogs, but you can make it less likely that your dogs are targeted. At Westminster a number of people, including my girls' breeder, routinely hire a security guard for the dogs. But that only applies to the most high profile shows. Usually it's sufficient to have one person at the set-up at all times. Kristine |
| Thank god in Europe we have not got this far regarding crates although it will no doubt come, as I said in another thread I was verbally abused at a show a few years ago but that was because of showing and not crating th dogs. When we are at shows we always have a crate with us and my girl loves to relax in it before going in the ring or after coming out, she can "chill out" in there. I do not crate at home because I never have needed too but funny thing is the young boy we have just rescued when travelling in the car is often sick, when he is in the crate in the car this does not happen he is fine when we reach our destination. |
Mad Dog wrote: Kerry - from a practical point of view, as far as the crate situation is concerned, watch your back, or rather your dogs' backside, once you start showing/trialing.
I agree, there have been a few incidences of people taking dogs from crates at shows. Don't know if it was an AR person or someone looking to have new stock for their puppy mill. Always lock your crate, even if you are only running to the restroom. Kerry, I know we went to Westminster from the train station, but did you know PETA was outside Madison Square Garden protesting with doggie body bags all over the sidewalk? Not sure how long they were there, but some friends saw them. |
VerveUp wrote: Kerry, I know we went to Westminster from the train station, but did you know PETA was outside Madison Square Garden protesting with doggie body bags all over the sidewalk? Not sure how long they were there, but some friends saw them.
The doggie body bags were to suggest that if you purchase a purebred puppy, you just condemned a dog in a pound to death. Frankly, I'm not in the mood to be lectured to by a group that has killed something like 97% of the pets they've taken in since '98 instead of making any genuine effort to find homes for them in the past 5-6 years at least, since death is preferable to servitude to mankind. Somehow I think my dogs would tend to disagree. Two of their employees were convicted of animal cruelty and there's a move in VA where their "shelter" is located to have the shelter's status changed to that of a slaughter house. I'd be more interested in seeing their not-for profit status yanked since they are in essence a political organization, not involved in actual animal welfare efforts, and on the FBI's radar for funneling money to animal rights terrorist organizations. As for the crate issue, a person who just adopted a 2 year old rescue from us and was reluctant to use one learned the hard way when she returned home that maybe they have some training use after all. Fortunately it wasn't anything that couldn't be remedied with some paper towel and bucket and a mop. Had it been Maggie, her kitchen might be in need of remodeling by now. 
One day I caught Maggie trying to munch on a cabinet door...that's a new one for me. I must have actually remembered to close the bathroom door so she couldn't get to the TP rolls. Tally since Friday: Maggie - 2, TP rolls - 0. Never mind that I spend my life tripping over things she IS allowed to chew. Good thing she's cute 
Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: Frankly, I'm not in the mood to be lectured to by a group that has killed something like 97% of the pets they've taken in since '98 instead of making any genuine effort to find homes for them in the past 5-6 years at least, since death is preferable to servitude to mankind.
Yes, I believe I posted a while ago about that big incident in VA where they were euthanizing puppies & cats that they got from a shelter and then disposing their bodies in trash bags behind the local grocery store. It's good that I didn't see them as I would have been walking around them yelling "Peta kills animals", which I'm sure other dog show exhibitors were probably already doing... It is really too bad that they have gotten so radical. They had done a lot to bring out in public view, horrific animal cruelty cases. I'm not sure when they started thinking that nobody should own domestic animals. |
VerveUp wrote: It is really too bad that they have gotten so radical. They had done a lot to bring out in public view, horrific animal cruelty cases. I'm not sure when they started thinking that nobody should own domestic animals.
As far as PETA is concerned, that's been their agenda all along and they've never tried to hide it, I'll give them that. I shared an apartment during one of my undergrad years with one of their more avid supporters, back in the mid-80s. She especially enjoyed lecturing to me as I was eating dinner. After she finished explaining to me that there should be no dairy cows and we should all become vegans, I explained to her - having worked on a dairy farm my freshman year, when I was still insane enough to think I wanted to be a large animal vet - in the gentlest terms I could that freeing Elsa and her bovine friends to roam around an upstate NY winter on their own was probably not very humane. She then explained to me that the farmers should continue to feed them, even though they mustn't confine them or use them in any way (i.e. milk them). So I explained that farming is an economic activity and that if she wasn't personally planning on feeding them for the rest of their natural lives, they should be humanely (of course) destroyed. She just couldn't shake her happy dream of happy cows wandering the NYS countryside, munching on daisies or whatever. It was like talking to a sweet but feeble-minded five year old. It got old real fast, but at least she was pretty harmless as best I can tell. With the HSUS it's a more recent development dating back to the 1980s. Though they were never a humane society in the true sense, at least they were primarily animal welfare prior to that. Their agenda is just as radical, they just present it in a much softer, more mainstream light and take advantage in their fundraising campaigns of the misconception so easily created by the organization's name. They are under investigation, still I believe, for using the Hurricane Katrina disaster for fundraising purposes, misrepresenting themselves as somehow part of the relief effort, as well as the Vick's fallout with his seized dogs. Both organizations, but the HSUS especially, which is in essence a multi-national conglomerate, are rolling in dough, but the HSUS despite its name does not actually operate a single shelter. When the next pet related disaster hits, if someone wants to help, they just have to make darn sure they're contributing to the organizations that are actually providing relief. Kristine |
| I didn'r aee anyone protesting at westminster when I walked out for lunch - but it was very cold perhaps their convictions were frozen by then.
My sister was in college at Va Tech in the 80's and she used to tell me about the vegans who had a similar view of sheep as the cows. they should be fed and taken care of - never shorn and never ever eaten. SInce she had raised 4H sheep she used to try to expain how not shearing the sheep was just cruel. The problem with zealots is they are afraid to listen to arguments for fear of being proved wrong, and many of the rest of the followers don't want to think so they believe what a flashy group tells them and then its like a steel trap - nothing gets out and nothing else gets in. Right now I have canvas/mesh crates for the dogs for when we are on the road. I guess that may have to change, although crating in hte car is also a possibility. I wonder how much a van with a self contained ac unit really does cost  |
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