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| www.infodog.com has alot of information - including show schedules - so you can find out of shows in your area! |
| http://www.cherrybrook.com has a ton of supplies for dog fanciers, from leads to really good brushes to whitening agents. Plus they have videos and books about showing.
Plus http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamerica.org/ should be able to direct you to some members that are "mentors" that will help you with their coats and give you pointers about the breed standards. I would first contact your breeder, if possible, to see if they are willing to help you. Usually they are very eager because it's a feather in their cap if one of their puppies does well in the show ring. If you have any specific quesitons, please address them in the forum and I'm sure one of us can help you. |
| Oh, FYI, especially since you're on the East Coast. The OES Centennial will be held in Lancaster, PA in October of 2005. http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamer ... ennial.htm has all the details. I'm shooting for geting Frank in that one too. It should be fun with Lots of sheepdogs! |
| thanks for the links.
I have been scratching myt head the last couple of days because I believe I was given some misguided information/help on grooming my guy. My breeder is not close and the show thing is still up in the air for us, so have relied on some people in the area that have come "recommended" as OES eexperienced (may start to use that term loosely). Because we are not sure if/when we are going to go the show direction with him (family timing right now) we want to stick to a show grooming mentality and I am concerned the person who was helping me has started to strip out his undercoat too much. I may just be paranoid b/c the other people I talk to keep harping on this issue and I just want to be sure it is being done properly. And I am a little more of a visual person, so some of the sites that I "Googled" haven't really helped. Only tools I use on him at home is a Bristle brush and a pin brush (without balls). The comb comes out only if I need to pick at a small matt and the slicker comes out just to give him a once over when finished. There are times when I have a difficult time getting through his coat with the pin brush so I slowly work at the section I am on until I can get a nice section, parted down to the skin, working in a line across his body and the brush wil easily pass through. Pretty easy when he was younger, but now that his adult coat/under coat is coming in more (he's 11 months) I want to be sure that I can still work this way and that the undercoat isn't suppose to be a nice bed of hair laying against his skin while the outer coat fluffs out (no clue if that description makes sense to anyone but me!). The person I have helping me really seems to go at him while grooming and the pile of hair that comes seems to be excessive. She only sees him about once a month or 6 weeks, while we handle the grooming the rest of the time. My ultimate fear is that I have groomed the way I thought he should be and once my breeder starts to handle him for the show she tels me we have to wait until his coat comes back in. I may have gone on a tangent from my initial subject, but I guess this explanation shows my deeper question. Thanks |
| You haven't gone off topic, grooming is one of the most important parts of showing. I don't recall how old your pup is or what state you live in (we're in NJ) but it is wise to start getting him into some shows now even if his coat isn't where you want it to be so he will be used to the ring environment.
If your groomer is brushing harshly, then yes, most likely the coat is getting stripped out. NOESR.org offers a grooming video for sale by Frank's breeder, Catherine Cargo. Quality isn't so good but you really get an idea of how you should be treating the coat. Even with me watching the video, when I was with her in person she told me I was still brushing Frank's coat too hard even when I didn't think I was. She tells me not to get discouraged because it takes LOTS of years of show grooming to get the hang of it. I'm not sure what kind of dryer you use, but I would recommend getting your hands on one that you can put on a stand so your hands will be free while you groom. Then you use the dryer as a grooming tool as it helps separate the hairs while your dog is wet. Quality pin & slicker brush is really important. I had a crappy slicker brush that was actually pulling the hair out. They recommend using pin brush only on body and head, slicker on gentle, sensitive areas like the paws, and only use comb for mats and beard-ear area. Frank's 10 months and the coat changeover period is very difficult to gauge. You have to walk the fine line of not brushing him too much but you don't want him to get mats. Also forgot to mention that you should look for some "handling" classes in your area for show training. Most of your area's local kennel clubs should offer them. I am not sure of the person who is "helping" you. While their intentions may be good, if they don't have many years of showing an OES under their belt, then you can pretty much bet that they aren't handling the coat properly. It is really an art once you kind of understand it. Lots & lots of work. I scratch my head wondering why I didn't fall in love with a short-haired breed, it sure would have made things easier!! |
| Show Grooming and Pet Grooming are two very different things - and by your description of how the person has been grooming him - I would think she's not grooming him appropriately for showing. I don't know how long it takes for the coat to grow back in (probably not too long) but before you continue - I'd check with someone who shows OES and get their opinion. Where are you located? |
| I'm finding that is the most difficult area for me too, learning to groom for show I think is something you really do need to learn hands on in person from someone who has many years experience. The oes club of canada president and judge is the woman who my dogs' lines come from, I plan on asking her if she will teach me because she is only a couple of hours away. (if I can get a hold of her! LOL, busy busy busy!)
As far as how long it takes their coats to come back in , it depends on the dog too. Dancer was shaved almost bald 3 months ago. Now her coat is about 4" long, more in some areas. I think she will be back in full coat by April if it continues to grow an inch or more a month. If Ron can work his magic and post before, after, and after pictures... 
Here is Dancer before being shaved 
And immediately after 
And more recently, a couple weeks ago,  |
HEY! THAT LAST ONE IS A DUPLICATE OF ONE THAT YOU SUBMITTED BEFORE!!!
Have we run out of original photos now?
I got a good chuckle out of that. Thanks! |
| There's a woman that shows OES here in the North East that provided hands on grooming instructions to one of the people here on the Forum (Jennifer where are you???). I don't remember her name - but she seems very nice and willing to help! She was at the NEOESR Picnic with her beautiful dogs - giving grooming demos there too!
Anyone remember her name??? |
| Hi Kristen:
Yes, I have Kelly's name & phone #. If anyone is interested, pm me and I'll provide it. To quickly summarize, I met Kelly at the NEOESR picnic this past June and she offered to teach me how to properly groom & clip Baxter. All she asked is that he be clean and brushed out when we came to her house. She then spent over 4 hours with me showing me how to brush Baxter so that he looked fabulous (ok - so I might be just a bit biased with how he looks). Kelly shows or has shown sheepdogs and is a professional groomer. Her advise has been extremely valuable to me in keeping Baxter's and Cassiopia's fur looking its best. Jennifer |
| LOL @ Ron... I thought I might have put that one on before somewhere....
ah well, it was relative to the topic! LOL I talked to the woman I mentioned about helping me and she is absolutely wonderful! She was so nice, and I am so excited that she is willing to teach me and show me! We may be going to a big show in a couple of weeks, she wants to introduce me to some of the exhibitors, so I can see up close exactly what an oes in top show condition should look like etc. |
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