Thoughts on Zubrin & Tramadol?
PS - We are new to this area and the vet mentioned above was not familiar with Zubrin. It is what we have used every so often in the past and it doesn't seem to upset Winston's stomach. I am just worried about day to day long term use . |
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| Lucy also suffers from very bad arthritis and has a lot of problems with mobility. We've tried many cocktails of meds looking for relief for her but nothing has been the miracle we were hoping for. We have used Tramadol for pain for Lucy but I try to only use it when the pain is very severe for her. To be honest, I didn't see a dramatic difference in her when I did give it to her. I find that she does just as well on her daily dose of Metacam and Flexicose so I really don't give it to her much at all anymore. If I had to pick one anti-inflammatory, I'd recommend the Metacam. |
| I've never used either of these meds, but do not let the vet dismiss your concerns about ulcers. Our first sheepie, Quincy, took Rimadyl for 3 1/2 years before dying suddenly of perforated ulcers, when he was only five years old. He showed NO SYMPTOMS until the week he died, and by then, it was too late. My vet said if we had seen any signs of ulcers, they could easily have been treated with Pepcid AC. Quincy was my stoic sheepie, who had a very high pain tolerance. Unfortunately, it's what hid his situation from us for so long.
Due to Oscar's ongoing digestive problems, he has taken Pepcid AC since he was a puppy. I hope this info is helpful in some way. Just don't let your vet make you think you're nuts for being concerned about the side effects. Good luck. Laurie and Oscar |
| Oscars Mom:
I can't imagine how horrible it was to lose your Quincy that way.  I am so sorry. Would you mind telling me if you give Oscar Pepcid only with medication - or on regular day to day basis? How much do you give him? Are there any side effects to Sheepies that you know of? Winston also has digestive issues.
ButtersStotch: I will look into Metacam. Thank you for much for the info.  |
sneakysheepie wrote: I said something to my vet about being worried about ulcers and he said being that Winston is 6 1/2, the management of the pain was more important than fretting over ulcers. What do you guys think? Are there other non-steroidal/anti-inflammatory drugs you would suggest I look into? Is Tramadol ok? I have also read giving a Prilosec helps decrease the chance of an ulcer - the vet said not to bother with this. What do you guys think?
I would honestly find another vet. For a vet to suggest that the ulcers are nothing is insane when there is treatment avaliable and why his being 61/2 has anything to do with it is beyond me. |
| I have to agree on the ulcer issue. Ulcers can cause more pain and issues than the arthritis and can cause horrible stomach and intestinal upset and issues that could require surgery plus you have to watch other things that they eat so as not to upset the ulcers. I have to say though that zubrin and tramadol are good drugs. We use them at the clinic all the time. I have to say though that tramadol works better for more major issues such as trying it on a patient with early bone cancer and such things. It is pretty strong but I would start out on the weaker durgs and work your way up just because if you start out with strong drugs and they stop working due to worsening of the arthritis then what is there left to use??? If you understand what I mean with that. |
| I haven't noticed a bit of improvement since starting Zuprin 4 weeks ago from plain enteric-coated asprin, so I'm switching back. Winston has a super-sensitive stomach as-is, so I figure we're better off with asprin, and glucosomine/condroitin. |
| Sneakysheepie, I will never, ever get over what happened to my Quincy Bear. It happened four years ago, and I still can't look at his pictures. To make matters worse, when he got sick we were on an extended vacation with him in Florida, so I was dealing with strange vets who thought I was a hysterical lunatic, as I knew something was very, very wrong. It was a horrible situation, one I only talk about to inform others of the dangers of some of these meds.
Oscar takes two Pepcid AC (20 mg. each, a total of 40 mg.) every single morning, with his breakfast, and has since he was a puppy, mostly because his IBD makes him "vomit burp" up stomach acid. He has been checked for reflux, but his valves work just fine, he just runs extra acidic. Oscar is not on any other meds that require the Pepcid AC. At some point, when he's been stable with the IBD for a long period of time, I think my holistic vet would like to wean him off the Pepcid, as he might not really need it anymore. But for now, he takes it every day. I would also consider trying another vet, someone more sympathetic to your concerns. You need a doc who will listen to your issues, discuss them intelligently with you, and educate you, not pooh-pooh your concerns and dismiss them out of hand. Your current vet doesn't seem to fit the bill. Laurie and Oscar |
| I wanted to thank everyone who has encouraged me to seek another vet. We just moved to the area and this is the second vet I have seen since we moved here. I think the vets don't know what to do with Winston and they really don't know what to do with me. I ask too many questions and expect a lot. I have an appt with a vet at the U of M - Although this person may not help me either, at least I know I should keep going until I can find someone who can help me figure it out. I need to feel in my heart that I am doing everything possible to make Winston's life comfortable. Thank you everyone! |
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