Question about grooming/shaving
After reviewing a lot of posts in the forum, it seems that there is a split opinion, but is it okay not to have an OES shaved if it's coat is tended to? And, do all groomers try to do a puppy cut or shave the OES? I'm just a little freaked out about this. I don't want to leave my dog somewhere and come home to a different dog. Thanks. |
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Well if you are worried, don't have your dog groomed there and don't board your dog there.  |
| There is a period where going from puppy to adult coat will defeat all but the most experienced and dedicated groomer. Now since you've had an OES before then you know what you are up against.
If you leave the dog at the groomer in perfect condition then it won't be a mess when you return. Could be the groomer has never learned how to completely groom a sheepdog or can't be bothered to take the hours necessary to keep it in perfect coat. Around here a dog in long coat is a magnet for brush........ever see a tumbleweed caught on your dog? So long coats are out except over winter. Personally I love a dog anywhere from shaved down greyhound slick to full and fluffy. To me they are handsome in all appearances. If you want your dog in long coat, Kahla! (fine/great) |
| I don't know if I understand it correctly but if you leave your dog at a boarding place where they happen to do grooming why do you think they would just shave your dog without your permission?
When we boarded our boys, they recommended us to let them groom the dogs because they were going to be too dirty. I said 'No'. I groom my boys and I will not pay anybody to do it. And even though they didn't like my answer they did not groom the boys. |
| Ahhhhhh we had our old english shaved today for the 1st time because of knots can anyone tell me if the fur grows back nice as we don't like it curly and he has been castrated. |
| It grows back great, about an inch per month. |
| The few places we've taken Barney to have said up front that if he is too matted then they will shave him. We always make sure to really have him brushed out well before we go so we know he isn't too matted (who knows what their definition of too matted is). I would think that if you told them that you do not want, under any circumstance, your sheepie shaved, then they need to listen to you. Say something like if you feel he's too matted and needs to be shaved, then please just leave him and I'll groom him at home.
I can see why they'd prefer to shave the OES. MUCH faster and less work for them. But, especially if you are paying them, they should respect your wants. |
| Oh good because we were so worried because we herd that the fur doesnt look the same and its all wavey and we like it all sticking out
how can i put a pic up? |
| Their adult fur is different than the puppy coat. It will be wavy when dirty or in need of brushing (from my experience) |
 i c so will he not look fluffy like my pics? |
heather32 wrote: We just got back from meeting the breeder of our OES puppies (who are yet to be born), and she is also a groomer and a boarder for dogs. When we were talking about her grooming practices and fees, I kind of froze when she said she shaves down the OES's and she is a strong believer in this. While I know that she would never do anything to the dog that I would not want, I'm concerned about leaving my dog there for a week and then picking it up with a very short cut. We had an OES a number of years ago and I could not imagine having my own OES be shaved.
IF the breeder is who I think it is, and I bet it is if you are staying in state, listen to her. She's an awesome groomer. She'll teach you how to groom if you ask. And help you keep your dog in coat if you hold up your end of it. But if in the throws of puppy coat change she recommends shaving, she's being kind to you AND your puppy. It grows back. Better. And faster than you think. And she'll do a nice job. She doesn't want one of her puppies wandering around looking like a gray and white schnoodle. Consider yourself lucky. Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: But if in the throws of puppy coat change she recommends shaving, she's being kind to you AND your puppy.
It grows back. Better. And faster than you think. Kristine whoah. Back up for a mintue and help me out. My girls are approaching their fifth month. Thier coats look like a train wreck. I thought that maybe I had awesome dogs with crappy genetics. I just could not understand why thier coats were always so.. so... wierd looking. Random fly away curls and some bits grow longer than others... everyone else's puppy photos show lovely fluffy, even-coated sheepie babies. When I brush them, they look nice for about 5 minutes and then its all clumped back into wierd curls. Are you saying that they grow out of this; that this is a stage? I'll get REAL sheepie fur? When. And if I have them cut short, does it hasten the process? Don't get me wrong; I love my girls, and I think they are cute as buttons. I just think when I take them out (which is daily) I'm sure it looks to other people like I NEVER brush my dogs; that I neglect them horribly. But the truth is I brush them every day and bathe them about once a week. |
Ehm - you have two puppies close in age that play with each other right? 
They tear each other's coat out. Make it mat. You name it, they do it. Having the fluffy coats you see will require splitting them up till they grow up (nope, me neither - I shaved mine) If you don't want to shave them down, and they sound like their coats are well kept as in you stay on top of it, have a groomer put them in a puppy cut. Or be bold, make your life easier and bald the suckers! (I just spent the better part of the afternoon deburring two dogs, so I may be a wee bit biased at the moment...  )
The wispies are locally, at least  , known as pig bristles. At the very least you can trim those off and even them out with a pair of scissors. You'll be amazed at how much better that alone with make them look.
Otherwise I yield the floor to people who are legally permitted to own scissors... Once they hit the matting puppy transistion stage, definitely consider shaving them though, to save your sanity and theirs. You'll know. You'll brush through one side, brush through the other, and as soon as you are done, the first side will have matted. You will look at them and they will matt. They can be in a perfect down stay for five minutes and they will mat. You'll know... 
Kristine |
| do your hounds really matt that easily?
Archie is 7 months young today, and he has had one bath since picking him up early December. Even when he is filthy muddy, once dried he brushes through, and when walking has a nice bouncy springy coat (it has not been cut apart from pads) the line down his spine has turned to a wirey curly grey (is this his adult coat?) but is equally loose. He even sheds dirt overnight whilst sleeping, I try not to brush him after getting wet (when out) only when dry. Is this likely to change? Or does not over washing him help? |
Archies Slave wrote: do your hounds really matt that easily?
<SNIP> Is this likely to change? Or does not over washing him help? The instant-mat syndrome is only while they're in the middle of a coat change. At seven months, mine were still mostly in soft puppy coat and easy to groom. By 9 months old it started to change in a not so polite way, although it was not unmanagable. At 18 mos plus they started phase II and it's nasty. I think we're through the worst of it now. They're almost two. Well, I shaved one. That was easy The other one is still matting, but she's getting closer to her adult coat so there is hope.
Or at least that's what I keep telling myself 
My adult dogs are a piece of cake unless they have that wooly mammoth undercoat from hell. One does. I shave her. Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: My adult dogs are a piece of cake unless they have that wooly mammoth undercoat from hell. One does. I shave her. Kristine That also describes Clay to a T. Very funny!
OK, I can laugh, I am not stuck with that coat! |
got sheep wrote: Mad Dog wrote: My adult dogs are a piece of cake unless they have that wooly mammoth undercoat from hell. One does. I shave her. Kristine That also describes Clay to a T. Very funny! OK, I can laugh, I am not stuck with that coat! Then I guess you won't be too surprised to hear I'm talking about his sister!! That didn't come from Belle. And Liz is worse than he is. Or was. Pregnancy did funky things to her coat. Or what's left of it. Yuk.
It will be interesting to see what how her puppies' coats turns out. Glad none of them are mine. Just in case
Kristine |
| Yes, I mentally went through the coats of the girls and thought "yep, that would be Liz!"
Clay's is dense enough. It is more dense now than when LeAnne got him. He grew in all new healthier hair. Like he really needed to do that!
I can imagine what the hormones and wear and tear of puppies would do to a similar coat. |
| so at 18 months do they blow their coats again?? I had Sami cut down in Jan but very uneven, now that the short has grown out a bit I am planning on cutting het down with a 4F blade everywhere, How do you do the legs(do you run the clippers up or down)... she has no matts but hitting 18 months soon and I am wanting it short. Blue is 9 months and I can feel the thickeness in his legs when I go to brush LOTS of hair coming out... not matt yet just very thick they rest of him is very easy to brush it the legs... I am going to clip him my self..... BUT where do you start. With burs,ticks and who know what else? It will be easier. |
| Tonks and Luna are almost the same age; they are 5 days apart. They are both 4.5 months old.
Tonks already has adult coat; wirey white strands coming through the gray; she's almost all gray now with her ears a bit darker than the rest. Luna is still almost all puppy coat. Her rear haunches have begun going gray, but that started like 2 months ago and never progressed any further. Here's the wierd part; both are still REALLY easy to get a comb through; with the exception of Tonk's belly. She has baby fine white fur there, with the previously described "where did that come from" tiny tangles in it. I can't comb through them; I have to cut them out. And they are just everywhere; I can't pull a comb at all down there. But Luna's tummy is easy to do. What the heck is going on down there? |
| eeek looks like some fun to be had ahead, now where did I put the lawn mower? |
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