Tucker! Come inside. Please?
I've posted about this before in the context of another question, I think, but I'm still having problems and hoping for some help. I do start obedience classes with Tucker tomorrow so that will help, I'm sure, but yu are all so knowledgable that I figured more opinions are better. Here is my problem: Tucker will NOT come in the house when he doesn't feel like it!!!! The sliding door to our backyard is in our bedroom (yes, this is strange, I know). I have removed the bell that Tucker was ringing to go out, as we was ringing it WAY to often and I realized that I was allowing him to have power over me by being the one to say when he should go outside. I now let him out every few hours which has been working very well and I have noticed a small difference in his responsiveness to me in other areas, too, which has been wonderful. He barks when he wants to come in, which I ignore, and let him in when he is queit, and when I think it is time. But here is the problem: if he doesn't want to come in, he won't! I have his favourite treats right by the door, which, for the first 2 weeks, was working like a charm. Now, not so much. I have tried being stern, I have tried being fun, I have smiled, I have maintained eye cntact and spoken in a low voice, nothing works. I look at the spot in the house where I want him to be, I let him knw I have a reward for him. What does he do? Lay down 6 feet from the door and stare at me!! This behaviour is not only annoying but is making me late for work when I can't get him in. I eventually have to put on my boots, go out the door of the house and around to the gate. He hears the door shut and thinks I'm leaving without him so he goes t the gate, where I grab his collar (I don't say a word thrugh any of this), take him in the house, kick off my boots, walk him into his room and crate him. This is frustrating and time consuming! Other than taking away his privilege of being able to roam free in the fenced in yard and tie him up somehow, what can I do??? It's driving me nuts!!! Thanks in advance! |
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| Ugh! I feel your pain. Barney used to do this all the time. It would drive me mad. I tried grabbing him by the collar (once!) and he growled, so that was out.
What ultimately worked for me, and still does to this day, is by giving him half a milkbone. I initially used that to lure him in...then he got to expect it, but is for some reason so excited by his half milkbone every morning, that he does his business as fast as possible and goes straight to the milkbone jar! |
I swear it is a sheepie thing...and a boy thing. Every male I have had has done that in his adolescence. Nigel does it now...and I can also fake him out by acting like I am going to open the gate. Obedience will eventually when he really learns the "come". I totally feel your pain...I am there!  |
barney1 wrote: Ugh! I feel your pain. Barney used to do this all the time. It would drive me mad. I tried grabbing him by the collar (once!) and he growled, so that was out.
What ultimately worked for me, and still does to this day, is by giving him half a milkbone. I initially used that to lure him in...then he got to expect it, but is for some reason so excited by his half milkbone every morning, that he does his business as fast as possible and goes straight to the milkbone jar! You know what would be great, Steph? We could dogsit for each other and not have to change almost any of our habits! Clyde does the same thing. Runs outside, does his business, immediately back in, waiting for his Milkbone at the cupboard. He gets a whole one in the morning, but he'd probably be just as happy with half. |
| ***momentary hijack of thread***
WOW, Jill is that Clyde in your avatar? If so, you are doing a great job with the new scissors! He looks adorable. ***thread now back on subject***  |
ButtersStotch wrote: barney1 wrote: Ugh! I feel your pain. Barney used to do this all the time. It would drive me mad. I tried grabbing him by the collar (once!) and he growled, so that was out. What ultimately worked for me, and still does to this day, is by giving him half a milkbone. I initially used that to lure him in...then he got to expect it, but is for some reason so excited by his half milkbone every morning, that he does his business as fast as possible and goes straight to the milkbone jar! You know what would be great, Steph? We could dogsit for each other and not have to change almost any of our habits! Clyde does the same thing. Runs outside, does his business, immediately back in, waiting for his Milkbone at the cupboard. He gets a whole one in the morning, but he'd probably be just as happy with half. ha ha ha! That'd be perfect! No learning new habits. I started Barns off with a whole Milkbone, but then when he started getting tubby, I decided to just break it in half. He doesn't seem to mind  |
| I leave a short lease on Chief then when he gets close I step on it and in we go........or I would still be there... |
| It is definitely a sheepie thing.
Our Katy used to look at us as if to say "what me? you want me to come inside? Now? this minute? Why? I am not ready! I will just lay at the bottom of the path!" So we used to say "Ok stay there then!" and close the back door. After 5 minutes we used to open it and she used to saunter in. It was so annoying. Luckily Summer is still at the "yes...a treat hang on I am coming! Look out! I cant stop!" |
| I feel for you so much!! I have BIG trouble with this!
I am ashamed to say we put a 20 ft lead (lol) on her and let her go. Yes, I know this is not the safest thing to do. We have a flat yard with not much to tangle up in and I always watch her. And that dog has learned now to stay 23 ft away!! She will just run so fast in HUGE circles around me with that lead whipping. The minute I step on the very end of the leash....she comes, sits in front of me and we walk quietly inside. I have tried EVERYTHING too. Cheese worked for awhile. Now nothing works. |
| I had same problem with my male sheepie,he would not come back in,it got to the point that I gave up and let him stay outside unless the weather got bad. |
| Maybe Tucker knows that he'll have to go into the crate and that's why he doesn't want to come in? How about try feeding him his morning meal in his crate? |
| As part of our inital potty-training, we had to put a leash on the puppy when it was time to go out and do his/her business. The idea was to enfore this was a potty break, not a play break. I can not begin to tell you how many times I was standing there is the rain, just waiting, waiting, waiting.
I would start taking him outside on the leash everytime you have to go somewhere and there isn't time for play. The other thing you can do is end some of the potty breaks by taking off the leash when you aren't in a time crunch. This will help prevent avoidance of the leash to go out. Good luck. |
AddieLuv wrote: I have tried EVERYTHING too. Cheese worked for awhile. Now nothing works. It is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT that we all get a recall command to work reliably or at least somewhat reliably.
Get it working and test it once in a while, but don't ruin it... save it for an emergency. Perhaps "Wanna go for a ride?" or Running away towards the car or Opening the car door whatever it takes to find one. You never know when you'll need to use it for real, and it is SOO COOL if it works. |
| "Wanna go for a ride?" worked well for my parent's Cockapoo, Baxter, who was constantly digging his way out of the fenced in yard. He was an escape artist his entire life. Luckily, he somehow managed to live to 18 yrs old.
One day my Dad moved the car and I guess never put it in park.
Then my parents went out in the other car. The car had rolled out of the driveway. A policemen came to the house to tell us that the car was across the street. Which there was nothing I could do to get the car, as I did not have my license yet. When I walked outside with the policeman to see what had happened I noticed he had left his door open. Hmm, that dog in his car looked very familiar. It was Baxter!!!  My sister and I hadn't noticed he was even gone. The policemen laughed so hard when he saw Baxter sitting there waiting for a ride.
I removed Baxter from the policeman's front seat while he retrieved the run away car. Anytime he would get out I would say, "Wanna go for a ride?" and he would come running. Luckily I do not have that problem with my Sheepies. They are not escape artists. If I leave the door open, they may walk out, but don't leave the yard and definitely don't bolt for freedom like Baxter did. I can let them out front and they stay by my side. If they start heading in the wrong direction, I say "Car!" They will then immediately run to the nearest car door and wait for me. It is so nice to have dogs that listen.  |
Anonymous wrote: Maybe Tucker knows that he'll have to go into the crate and that's why he doesn't want to come in? How about try feeding him his morning meal in his crate?
I think this might be part of the problem, although I'd say only 1 in 5 times does he have to go to his crate after coming in! The other times I just want him to come inside because I think he's been out there for enough time (I'm trying to control his comings and goings....if I leave him out there until he's ready and starts barking, then HE gets to control it, which I don't really want). The other day when I was running late, I resorted to saying, "Where's Dad?" meaning that my fiance had come home for lunch. Well Tucker came RUNNING inside and went to the side door. I had LIED to him to get him inside. Well his little eyes were SO SAD when he realized that Brad wasn't really there, that I will never, ever do that again unless it is an emergency. I felt just awful!! It did get him in the house, but my heart still aches when I think of the look on his little face  |
If Poppy is being awkward and refuses to come in I just say loudly 'OK, Bye-Bye then' and shut the door. Seconds later I open it again and she can't wait to come in! She has this 'Don't leave me Mummy!' look on her face - Priceless  |
| Chauncey has had a fenced yard for about 8 mos now. Right after we got the fence my SIL and her Lab spent a weekend at our house sitting with Chauncey. He has NEVER liked a doggie treat. She brought Godiva's treat's the Goodlife Recipe ones and gave them each a treat when they came in....he's been doing well since. Chauncey will occasionally sit and look at me, and I say well okay then, close the door and he comes running.
Ron, I agree, Chaunce would sell his soul for a car ride. I have only used it as a last resort. When I need to use it, he get's a car ride. You can't just use it to bate them, they will learn this trick quickly if you don't follow through with a ride. Another thought....we are trying to herd a Sheepdog |
| Yeah, we are trying to herd a sheepdog. Makes you wonder who's training who, doesn't it?
Beaureguard is three years old now and I still have to reason with him to get him inside some days. He wants to play "Chase me/make me". I've pretty much gotten to the point now that I can sternly say "Get in the house" and he'll come inside, but I have to go out into the yard to where he is to tell him. Just calling to him doesn't cut it. But, we've just gotten there and he's 3! Silly boy.
Genevieve, you open the door and if she's not already standing there ready to come back inside, she comes running immediately, goes and stands beside the cookie jar and waits expectantly. That's my girl. It's all about food with her. Anything for a treat.  |
| Dutch has become a pain with both going in and out, coming in she will just stick her head in then stand there waiting for me to gently pull her in , going out she goes but leaves her left back leg inside while looking back over her shoulder at me untill I push it out, I know I'm rewarding her by touching her but heck it's to cold with -0 temps here. Oh and treats don't do it at all
This little gal is smart |
| I feel your pain with the ringing of the bell just to go out. Miley does it to annoy me. But I let her out - I just don't go with her, which is what she wants. Miley also does not always want to come in.
I am not sure if this will help but we have used use a couple of commands that seem to work. We have taught "House" when we are out playing and we decide to come in we give the House command. We treat when Miley is inside and the door is shut. I did use food as a reward for a fairly long time for this command. We have also have an "On your bed" command - rewarding for when she got to her bed and would lay down. We sometimes use "On Your Bed" to get her to go to her bed from outside so I can let paws air dry. Sometimes when Miley was younger treats magically appeared on her bed to let her know it was a good safe place. Our trainer told us not to use "Come" to call them to do things they don't want to do. So we don't call her name or use "Come" because Miley loves to be outside. I also think developing a routine helps. I walk Miley a very short walk in the morning after the walk I get ready for work by the time I am done Miley goes to her door waiting to get to her kennel. After supper we take a long walk. I know if she has done her business so I can tell if she is faking me out by wanting to go out just to play or if she has to go potty. We still struggle at times but it has been getting better. Good Luck! Becky & Miley |
Mel & Tucker wrote: Hey all
Here is my problem: Tucker will NOT come in the house when he doesn't feel like it!!!! ! Hi. In my experience as a dog trainer (about 3 years now) and proud OES mommy I use the "cookie" command. Easy to teach, and works wonders. Every time you say the word "cookie" (and if you have already used this word alot, you may want to find a different word) shove some food in his mouth- a little tiny bit, not a lot. A piece of cheese, a bite of hot dog, a scrap of chicken, a regular milkbone- use different things- it keeps em on their toes. Anyway- start off by once or twice a day saying "cookie" in a high pitched happy voice and do this 10-15 times in a row. Remember, SMALL bites- lol. Do this everyday for a week- your dog will learn this word. Then when you let your dog outside, use "cookie" at the door in a high pitched happy voice- he should come running. Once your dog knows the command, just use it once in awhile as a reminder- once a week or so. It keeps it fresh in their mind. NOTE- if you say it, give the treat. If you dont give the treat EVERY time, this will not be an effective recall command. On a personal note- when I learned about this, my baby was about 9 weeks old. I did not yet have my fence built, and he got out the front door and headed straight for the moving school bus. All I had to do was stand on my front porch and in that high pitch happy voice call out "cookie" and he turned right around and came back- it really works. Good luck! Randi |
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