Anyone ever used a groomer's stone?
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It looks like a pumice bar, same thing used for cleaning the mineral ring from toilets.......or knocking callus off your feet.......no, don't use the same bar for both....ICKY! 
Judging from how the pumice flakes off when used, I'm not sure I'd want that in my dog's coat. Maybe on a horse, short haired dog or cat where it could be brushed out easily......but for our long haired guys, no thanks. As to if it works........I can rub the Pyrs coats with my hands and hair comes off, so why do I need a pumice bar? No, I know I need to get down "in there" with a brush or comb, I don't see the bar doing that. |
| It sounds like something that would probably feel good for the dog, but I don't see how it would get through the fur, sounds like something my great dane would have LOVED, or Dancer when she was clipped very short. Does it say how it is to be used or on what coat types it is recommended for?
By the way, nice to see you on the forum again WizardMerlin  |
| Thanks, Stacey,
The grooming stone is actually made from glass, they have other 'stones' as well, one is called a stripping stone and this one looks like a pumice stone. The stripping stone come in 2 different types, one is coarse for rapid hair removal and a fine one for finishing work. |
| Hello to Everyone,
I have horses and I use what's called a slick and easy grooming block. Come summer when they loose winter coats the block does wonders. It sheds the hair twice as fast as any shedding tool. It would never work on a long haired dog. While we are talking about grooming, I have found some horse products that work really great on my sheepdog. I've been using what's called Cowboy Magic as a conditioner. It has a silky feel to it and the hair detangles with very little brushing, leaving a beautiful sheen to the hair. I also use a brush that's called Tail Tamer Finishing Brush. It's very gentle on the hair and gets the job done fast with minimal hair loss. One other product is called EQyss Avocado Mist Conditioner / Detangler. This is a spray and I use it between baths to help with any matting. It doesn't leave a heavy feel to the hair and it smells great!! If anyone else has tried these products let me know how you liked them. Bye |
| Actually, I have heard before that horse products work great on oes coats. A shampoo called Mane& Tail is one I've heard of, apparetly it makes grooming so much easier. I have to be careful what I use on my dogs coats though because I plan on showing them, but if you don't plan on showing hese products have rave reviews. |
| I've used mane and tail on my own hair for years, it's really great. Why do you have to watch what you use for showing? I don't get why that would matter?? |
| Well, I'm not new to oes, but I am new to the show aspect of it, and have been told by many not to use anything that might soften their coats too much. Grooming them for show seems to be a huuuuge learning experience. |
| Mane and Tail is what I started our dogs out on too, it leaves the coat too silky and soft for show, since the standard calls for a course, harsh coat. It did leave the hair more managable and very easy to comb out, if I wasn't also planning on showing, I would continue with it's use or baby shampoo on the entire coat.
Diluted Pantene is what I use currently and baby shampoo on the head and around eyes. It seems to do ok on the white parts. I will once a month put a whitening shampoo on the white area's, it stripped the hair WAY too much using it every other week. I would love to know what the show groomers use on their own dogs on a regular basis, and if they use other products to prepare for a show? Anyone? Stormi and co. |
| It takes alot of work just to keep the coat long, I couldn't imagine showing a sheepdog. I had 15 year old that just passed away in july and all she did for the last five years was sleep and eat ( and give me lots of love). I now have a 4mth, and if they had a show for herding the kitty's in the corner and pouncing she would sure win!!
Good luck with your shows, and keep us informed. |
Ok so the grooming stone wont work on Sheepie's coats. Oh well I was looking for something quick and easy! 
Guess I will just have to brush Merlin more often. He seems to shedding an awful lot  , I am wondering if he is blowing out his coat for a second time or maybe this is his normal shedding. The groomer did recommend a grooming spray for when I do groom him. She seemed to spray every mat with the spray, he had some quite close to the skin. She told me my hubby is not allowed to bathe Merlin anymore 
Last time we bathed him we didnt have time to do the after brush bath, DO NOT TRY THIS YOURSELVES!  You will have one HUGE matted dog. She had to shave his stomach and armpits, but you can only see that when he lays down. |
| Hi All,
So sorry to dissapoint you all but there is no "short cuts" to grooming an OES, it has to be done slowly and meticulously even if youre not showing as most of you know the coat mats up I take these knots out by hand,so it can be a long process. Shampoo for the dog if you are showing, think I've mentioned that we only give the dog a full bath maybe once / twice a year, the rest of the time its only feet/ head/ bum. the dogs get washed just with water when they come back from a walk if the feet are really dirty never groom a dirty coat. I use tea tree shampoo, for a full bath, and bicarb paste or chalk on the beard for showing. the breed standard is for a harsh coat, we also use a tea tree spray when grooming. Hope this helps Huggles B-eye |
| Stormi-
What type of whitening shampoo do you use? Here in wonderful Alabama we have that wonderful red mud and it stains the hair something awful. I am not sure if Albert's Mom has the same problem, but she might appreciate this too. |
| Hi All,
There are a lot of whitening shampoos in the shops, some of the older remedies are , Vanish soap/ net curtain whitener (meant to be really good) you could also try bicarbonate paste which seems to bring the whites up, prevention I suppose is the key, once the hair has been stained you are in actuall fact fighting a loosing battle, as the hair folocules are like a straw if the outside is coated its not so bad but once the "inside is coated then its more difficult to remove. try sparaying the coat i.e legs with a very thins solution of conditioner, helps act as a barrier to thed clay and general muck and sludge. when using anything new be carefull. Huggles B-eye |
| Hi Betsy,
At the last show I was at, they recommended EZ groom for me to start with. I have used it on both dogs, and was very impressed with the results, but if I used it too much, the hair seemed stripped of everything and too dry. I now try and skip a couple of baths before using it again. I am going to check into this bicarbonate paste that B-eye is referring too, I haven't heard of it, but would love to give it a try. Stormi and co. |
| Thanks for all the great tips b-eye!!!
Stormi, I think she just means baking soda with just enough water to make it a paste? Put it on and as it dries comb it out? I'm guessing... |
| Ah, ok, thanks Stacey! Now that I have heard of, but never tried. I am sure there is some baking soda in our pantry somewhere I can use. Thank you for the tip, B-eye, I will be sure to let you know how it turns out.
Stormi and co. |
| Hi All,
forgot to mention how to use the bicarb ooppsss LOL Stacey you were right we just make up a paste and using a plastic comb gently comb it into the beard , it shouldnt harm the skin but 'm always careful. leave it on for a while then wash off rinsing throughouly. I'm about to start the bath ritual, we have a show on Sunday,just hope the weather is kind to us its been horrible of late rain. rain. and more rain not ideal for show days,aw well I'll have his wellies and raincoat handy just incase, the joys of showing LOL let me know how you get on with bicarb or any other products you may use you to Stormi Huggles B-eye |
| I show shorthair cats and accidentally ran across your posting. I love to hear how others groom for show. It is quite an art.
The groomer's stone is definitely for short hair. Don't even try using it on a longhair. A tip for removing stain on face and even those unmentionable parts - mix the baking soda with some hydrogen peroxide to make a paste. This is what most persian breeders do to remove stain. Of course you have to "keep on top of it" ... always groom as if you are going to a show. That is the only way to maintain good coat. If the stain is really set in you might try a product called Diamond Eye. |
| Hello, I'm the manufacturer of the Groomer's Stone product and happened upon your chat while surfing today. An interesting bunch of questions that I thought I'd try to answer for you. First, the Groomer's Stone is indeed made from recycled glass. While most glass manufacturers try to make products with no bubbles, we take the opposite aproach and include LOTS of bubbles. It's that foamed texture that makes it work in many of its applications. Imagine a sponge made from glass. Every edge around each hole is an edge of very thin glass. In mass, there is is merely a rough texture but at the scale of a hair this network of edges picks up hair well enough to remove loose hair and leave the hairs that are still growing. It is a top down approach to dead hair removal, snagging the hair from its tip rather than try to catch it around a comb. Many animals that don't like to be combed or brushed like to be stroked with the Groomer's Stone because it never gets down to the skin. They act like they are being massaged.
That said, I have heard from many longer haired dog owners that the Groomer's Stone does not work well on the long hair. Essentially, that is the reason that some of our other products are designed with a finer cell structure. I think with a little bit of experimentation, a variation of the Groomer's Stone could do the same for OES as it does on shorter haired animals. If there is anyone out there who would be interested in helping me develop a product that will work better on the OES breed and other longer haired dogs lets talk. Anyone with any other question should feel free to ask too. Thanks. |
| Chris -- welcome. That's a very cool offer. What would be involved? I'd certainly be willing to test a new product. |
| Do I understand the use of your product correctly? Essentially hair that is shedding is picked up by the "stone?"
I just want to check, as you may or may not realize that OESs don't shed their coats except one time when puppies blow their puppy coat. Maybe I mis-understand.. that's happened before! |
| I did not know that OES don't shed but I try to learn something new every day. Since the action of this product is to remove loose hair then it may not be of any real use to OES owners. |
| I have a Westie and the hair is groomed from short on the back to long down the sides. How can I get a groomers stone? |
| Try Cherrybrook.com
http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm/a/ ... 705/catid/ |
| The grooming stone is def. something that everyone should have in their horse tack kit It removes dirt- dried on mud and hair gently (makes a great shedding tool) Removes bot eggs very easily and my horses don't mind even along their legs perfect tool if you have to deal with rain-rot (gently removes the scabs / bumps) Works great on removing ground in hair and dirt from all types of saddle pads Best tool ever to remove pet hair from car seats and furniture |
| A groomers stone is more used on terrier coats as an aid to hand stripping the harsh outer coat, used like a stripping knife or used after on the undercoat. Certainly not a product used on an oes. And as for horse products leovet shiney and white is fantastic. But would you really use vanish or the other products on your dog? If you wouldnt use them on yourself then not on your oes? For prevention maybe try 'the stuff' as it repels dirt. No idea how it will work with clay though |
Willowsprite wrote: Actually, I have heard before that horse products work great on oes coats. A shampoo called Mane& Tail is one I've heard of, apparetly it makes grooming so much easier. I have to be careful what I use on my dogs coats though because I plan on showing them, but if you don't plan on showing hese products have rave reviews. You can use all those products in a show coat, assuming your dog has correct coat. Should your dog have a softer or more cottony coat you might want to try the Chris Christensen products for harsh/stiff coats the night before you show. My dog stays lathered in heavy duty conditioners until we prep the night before a show. Then everything gets washed, but no conditioner is used. But I'm one of those folks that gives my dog a full body bath the night before a show. She has a correct coat and I like the volume I get with a freshly washed and dried coat. There is a manufacturer of a great shampoo in Canada. I'll look up the name and send it to you. Great stuff. I pay almost as much to have it mailed to me in the states, as the product costs. It's that good!  |
| Huh, didn't know about the Mane and Tail - I actually have some that I picked up a couple of years ago in an attempt to tame my own hair. I'll try it on the girls, since it didn't do crap for my hair, lol. |
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