My kids hearts are broken, Please help
Is there anything I can do? |
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| Hi,
I sure want to know more about this. Who took your dogs and who you contacted to get them back. Zach |
| OK, deep breath.
If someone decides to work things out and keep their dogs that's generally a good thing. What state are you in? Kristine |
| I called Sandi Brown in South Carolina. I called her back crying telling her that I made a mistake and I wanted our dogs back that I wanted to work with them rather than give them away. The people she had come get them are ignoring our calls. I feel like they should have a heart and bring them back. My kids got up this morning crying.
Afterwards I started thinking when I ask the man to call us and let us know how they are doing he just gave me a blank look and said nothing. And they were very interested in their Akc papers. I was trying to avoid giving it to them but they kept pushing the the subject and gave some reason I don't understand why they needed them. This is a difficult time for us right now so we dont need to read any angry posts. Thanks for understanding. What does everyone think? Do we have a chance of getting our sheepies back? |
Quote: What does everyone think? Do we have a chance of getting our sheepies back? Try again to reach the rescue to privately discuss this. Did you sign surrender papers? Quote: And they were very interested in their Akc papers.
Were your sheepies spayed/neutered prior to surrendering them to rescue? Most rescues consider AKC papers worthless except for possibly determining health heritage. Good rescues will ALWAYS spay/neuter prior to rehoming a dog so it makes AKC papers unimportant for any other reason. |
| I can understand you're very upset. There are lots of reasons for the rescue to want the AKC papers; we always ask for AKC papers too. We don't necessarily want the papers themselves, a copy for our files is fine, or even a look at them so we can make some notes, as we won't pass them on to an adopter anyway.
All rescues are spayed/neutered before they are adopted out, so breeding is a non-issue. We're just trying to track where the rescues came from. Are there trends? Some times we already know of certain health or temperament problems coming from certain "lines" (e.g. breeder A produces many dysplastic dogs), then we have a better idea of what to be on the lookout for when they are vetted and evaluated. And if, god forbid, they came from an OESCA breeder, we would need to contact that breeder and said breeder would need to either take them back him/herself or help us place them. I'm sure this can be worked out. Kristine |
| Hi,
You didn't get in touch with South East OES Rescue. I am the Placement Director of South East OES Rescue.org we are a 501c organization. Sandi Brown is not with our rescue. Did someone tell you that they were South East rescue? This makes me very worried. I read on another OES list where Sandi is aking for a foster home for two OES she just picked up, I guess they are your dogs. Sandi is not a 501 c herself or a part of our organization, she is just helping out. I don't know the circumstances, but if you signd an "Owner surrender" document, there is probably nothing you can do legally. However, I remember once a family surrendered their OES and the next day they wanted him back because the kids missed him, well I gave him back. I will email Sandi and see what I can do for you, but again, South East didn't take your dogs, and we were NOT involved with this. About the AKC papers, yes we want them for our files only and most of the time the new owner would like to know the dogs birthday. All rescue dogs are spayed or neutered, so the papers are not worth a dime. We also like to find out who bred the dog. |
| It's normal to be sad after giving up a pet. I hope you'll sit down and think over what made you originally contact OES rescue in the first place. It must have been pretty serious to have placed a call or sent an email and later actually turned a dog over. Just make sure trying to reclaim them is really what's best for your family. If you signed surrender papers, I would think you have no legal claim to them but I'm not an attorney.
Just some things we all need to remember about rescues... I only assist on the fringe... When a rescue steps in, it's because they're asked or permitted to. When someone surrenders a dog, they give up all rights to him/her and the rescue takes on all future responsibility... both legal and ethical. And it's for the lifetime of the dog. If a home doesn't work out or the owner becomes ill or dies, the rescue is there to rehome the dog again. There is often a rush to accommodate one more rescue just to ensure his/her safety... this means finding a safe place to be fostered, funds for vetting, time to arrange for spay/neutering, rehabilitating those less adoptable, addressing medical conditions that have been neglected. And dogs are surrendered for many reasons... some are beyond the control of the family giving the dog up. There are times when owners are literally heading to a high kill shelter or dog pound if rescue won't remove a dog and remove it now. Also there are several excellent non-501c3 groups and individuals that devote themselves to rescue. I don't know your individual situation or the seriousness of what lead you to contact rescue but best wishes with your decision. |
| Thanks for the info Ingrid, I knew this didn't sound right.
For whoever these foks are that are involved, now that this situation has been posted and a can of worms is scaring folks about any oes rescue, this activity needs to be addressed by those involved as to what actually has happened and why the two oes haven't been returned. These folks may not have any legal rights to have the dogs returned but if rescues want support by these members and others who read in this forum they need now to know the why and why nots that have happened here. This situation will reflect across the country if the situation isn't communicated correctly in the open. Zach |
| ...and I will demand and enforce the absolute highest level of civility on all sides. Everyone is just sharing a cup of tea, chatting with their neighbor here.
By the time you read this I will have done some softening in this thread. |
| thank you ron |
| Guest,
Something that might be nice is if you would register here on the forum so that people might be able to contact you a little more privately through the forum. If you already have an ID you could use that if you like, or you could contact me for assistance in changing the ID or whatever. I hope this is resolved with the best interests of everyone met. |
| Ok I just registered and I am willing to talk to anyone about what took place. We are still upset and I am hating myself for making such an hasty decision. I just wish I could turn back time. I just don't want to accept that our sheepies are gone. My kids came home from school and looked outside hoping they were back. I did sign a release form and I know legally theres nothing I can but that's not going to stop me from trying. It just seems like ethicaly that rescue will return them after we have called crying and begging. Im so willing to do anything and make changes. The choice I made was so wrong and I feel so quilty and ashamed, especially infront of my children. We are all hurting. Its like a mourning a lost of a family member. I coukd never be in rescue and have someone beg for their dog back and not return them. It's just not moraly right! |
| Just curious,
Are both your dogs kept outside? Where do you live? Zach |
| Well LMS,
You've been on twice since I made my last post and didn't bother to answer two simple and basic questions. It looks pretty obvious that rescue didn't like the conditions or circumstances at your home. Add to the fact that you gave them up so easily and quickly. I really don't see where they are wrong here. Probably better for them to find a home for them now than you selling them or placing them down the road. I never have thoughts of giving mine up for any reason. Zach |
love my sheepies wrote: Ok I just registered and I am willing to talk to anyone about what took place. We are still upset and I am hating myself for making such an hasty decision. I just wish I could turn back time. I just don't want to accept that our sheepies are gone. My kids came home from school and looked outside hoping they were back. I did sign a release form and I know legally theres nothing I can but that's not going to stop me from trying. It just seems like ethicaly that rescue will return them after we have called crying and begging. Im so willing to do anything and make changes. The choice I made was so wrong and I feel so quilty and ashamed, especially infront of my children. We are all hurting. Its like a mourning a lost of a family member. I coukd never be in rescue and have someone beg for their dog back and not return them. It's just not moraly right!
OK. I hear you. I am truly sorry that you and your children are hurting. I suppose from the rescuer's standpoint you'd have to weigh what you know vs. what you don't know in making the decision whether to return the dogs. At this point, from what I can tell, you called rescue because you were at your wit's end and unable to manage the dogs. So the rescuer obviously knows that. Followed by a frantic call(s) regretting the decision....you know, it just might be that the rescuer is not confident that you are in a position to manage the dogs, and is only going to do what they believe is best for them. I do not personally know the rescuer but of course she is a good, moral and ethical person, who is doing volunteer work and sacrifice for the love of the breed. And, I believe you know that too or (hopefully) you would not have given your dogs to her. It does seem concerning considering the urgency of the request to remove the dogs and now the franticness of wanting the dogs back. It is probably really hard to do this with all of the emotions flowing, but if you can, try to step back and look at it from the rescuer's point of view. I imagine that she is at a loss of what to do at this point. I think...if I were in your shoes, I would try my best to calm down and maybe give it a day or two. Ingrid generously offered to email her, so see what comes of that. |
| Someone has been to our website and printed our "Owner Surrender" document and that is why she claims that she talked to South East.
Why this was done, I don't know but I will check into this. |
| I would simply like to reiterate something that Ingid has already said, OESRNSE is not the group that picked up these dogs. As President, Ingrid and I talk about all of the babies that we have coming in. The people that picked up and arrangd their surrender are not involved with our group.
Ingrid has worked very hard to build and maintain the reputation of OESRNSE. She does a wonderful job in placing the surrenders with their new family. I simply hope that this does not scare anyone from contacting Rescues. Surrendering an animal should be a decision that is very thought through, and not something done swiftly. Please keep in mind that there are always two sides to a story. I hope that the others involved in this situation step forward and tell their side of the story. |
| I really didn't see the importance of telling everyone where I lived. And to answer your other question my sheepies came in and out the house. Anyways I talked to Sandi and she said she has no idea who picked up my sheepies. She said someone else sent them. So now this is getting really concerning. |
| Maybe it would help everyone if you told us how you found someone to contact to surrender them. |
| I noticed that you had your dogs up for sale for awhile on the internet before turning them over to rescue. Would you have this same reaction if someone had given you money for them? This whole situation sounds very hinky.
Also, weren't you already a forum member here before all of this as "EnglishSheepie" and you had a problem with giving dogs away for free then, too? Quote: She is up for adoption, But shes not going to be free. She paid tripple the amount that she is asking for. She wants some money back. She has paid for all her well visits also.
If this were a snap decision I can understand all the extreme upset but you had already planned to rehome the dogs for awhile. It seems to me that there's something else going on here. |
| You know, if what ButterStotch says is the case (easy enough to verify by IP addresses), then I'm curious what you thought anybody here could possibly do for you. |
| I really don't expect YOU to do anything for me. My point is that the people that came represented their self's as if they were from the southeast rescue. AND they knew minutes after leaving that we wanted our dogs back and they ignored us! People out there should think twice if this is the way rescue works. You can try to make me look bad as much as you want but what took place here was not right. Rather I sold my dogs or gave them away I still know I made a mistake and I believe anyone else would have gave them back even if there was money involved w/ the return of their money of course. For rescue to act the way they did if very disappointing. These people lied and tricked me and then turned around and played games pretending they were going to bring them back. This is my message I want to get to ever one considering rescue. |
| After reading all these posts I am sure you have picked the wrong name with love my sheepies, I suggest you get your own act together before accusing the Old English Sheepdog rescue services, these people work hard for something they believe in and do it for nothing they certainly do not deserved to be insulted, in the end it was you who made this decision even if it was a spur of the moment decision. Honestly I'm not sure if I believe what you are saying but one thing for sure LEAVE THE RESCUE OUT OF YOUR CRUSADE. |
| Please keep in mind that I have kept an open mind about you since you posted. Unfortunately, the fact that you've misrepresented yourself and the fact that you wanted to sell your dogs has made you lose all credibility in my opinion.
People who work rescues are doing amazing work. Owners do not have to "think twice if this is the way rescue works", it was all spelled out for you in the document you say you signed. People who are giving up their dogs are the ones to know what they're getting into. You made the choice, not the rescuer. It's clear they have substantiated reasons behind not placing the dogs back with you. I'm afraid that given what I know about the situation (based only on these posts), I would do the same as they in this case. |
| Do you mean to tell me that if you made the hard decision to give your sheepies to rescue thinking you were doing the right thing and come to find out the people wasnt even from recsue, that would not bother you? Letting everyone know that it bothers me is showing that I do care. I have no idea were they are or who has them. Someone pretending to be from recsue is very bothersome to me and should be for all of you who swear by rescue. |
love my sheepies wrote: Do you mean to tell me that if you made the hard decision to give your sheepies to rescue thinking you were doing the right thing and come to find out the people wasnt even from recsue, that would not bother you? Letting everyone know that it bothers me is showing that I do care. I have no idea were they are or who has them. Someone pretending to be from recsue is very bothersome to me and should be for all of you who swear by rescue.
I don't have a clue what has really transpired between you and whomever. But you only supposedly found out that the people were not "really rescue" after you tried to get them back. So that argument doesn't even make sense. You can't fault someone else for your decision to give your dogs up, and you can't fault someone else for your lack of checking into the people or organization that you chose. |
love my sheepies wrote: Do you mean to tell me that if you made the hard decision to give your sheepies to rescue thinking you were doing the right thing and come to find out the people wasnt even from recsue, that would not bother you? Letting everyone know that it bothers me is showing that I do care. I have no idea were they are or who has them. Someone pretending to be from recsue is very bothersome to me and should be for all of you who swear by rescue.
From what I understand, the person that got your dogs is not a "rescue" but was assisting another rescue. I know you're upset right now but I really don't understand getting angry at rescue when you didn't take the time to confirm credentials and really know who you were dealing with. Rescues are not out to trick or lie. To even suggest that is only going to be detrimental to anyone reading this in the future. You are sharing one experience that we have not heard both sides of. Until then, it isn't fair to assume that there is some sort of debauchery going on. |
| I got the number I called from this wesite. |
| In the most unlikely circumstances that I would give my shepies away I would do it through the offical rescue ( can be found in internet and I am sure rdf could give you the address ), however I get the impression you have no idea who you called so now every rescue service are being branded as bad. Fact is the rescue do a very important job which benifits everyone in the long run, you can reach them 24 / 7 and they do there very best to rehome every dog they become. Before starting a crusade against the OES rescue do your own home work and don't expect the rescue to help when they do not have your dogs. Ron maybe this thread should be stopped here before the rescue suffers under this subject. Just my personal opinion. |
love my sheepies wrote: I got the number I called from this wesite.
IF that is the case, I am confident - not a shadow of a doubt - that the person or organization involved has done nothing wrong, and has shown proper care for the animals and in their decision regarding returning them based on what they know. They will find a good forever home for the dogs who will not be put up for sale again. |
| Hear hear rdf |
| I really do hope that's the case. |
| Somewhere under all this misunderstanding is a very sad story. I'm sorry for all concerned that this has happened. |
rdf wrote: love my sheepies wrote: I got the number I called from this wesite. IF that is the case, I am confident - not a shadow of a doubt - that the person or organization involved has done nothing wrong, and has shown proper care for the animals and in their decision regarding returning them based on what they know. They will find a good forever home for the dogs who will not be put up for sale again. I read the entire thread and think both sides share guilt. Everyone has made a rather harsh supposition about Love my Sheepies and given the "rescue" folks Carte blanch. It sounds as though the rescue folks handled this situation in a less than professional manner. I think this thread could be used to teach people about the rescue process rather than brow beating LMS. IMHO. |
| I agree. I don't know what the truth in all this is but we have gone on the attack without really knowing the entire story. |
I believe Ingrid might be able to share a little insight here, I will ask her to post something. I do want to say one more time, that the people who picked up her dogs were NOT with Old English Sheepdog Rescue of the Southeast.  I know this for a fact. I do not know if the people who picked up her dogs represented themselves as so or not.
As I said before, there are always two side to every story. |
| When I realized I made a bad decision I knew deep down I wouldn't see my sheepies again. And I relize that more now and with more time that passes. Maybe they are in a better home and taking well care of. I guess thats what bothers me most is that I will never know. |
| A similiar situation happened to me, just this past summer.
A family had hummed and haahhd about giving up their dog for almost a year. She was having seizures and they could not afford any tests etc. Finally they made the decision to hand over thier dog to a rescue group, (who had previously offered to pay for the testing-but were declined) to find a home that could care for the dog. I was the fortunate one who picked up the dog, for this group, and took the dog away. The next day the family starting emailing and calling about how sad they were, they made a mistake, they loved the dog and wanted her back. Meanwhile the dog had already been to the vet etc and testing started, A few days later the family finally faced the fact that they were not in a position to care for her, so it all ended OK. Sometimes emotions need to play through. |
Tasker's Mom wrote: I agree. I don't know what the truth in all this is but we have gone on the attack without really knowing the entire story.
I sure hope people aren't feeling like I'm being attacking. I am only going by what's posted here by the only person involved who is talking...and there are just inconsistencies in the story. Attempting to bash rescuing in general, putting dogs up for sale, re-registering with a new username, all of it just doesn't lend credence to the argument. I don't have a relationship with any of the parties involved - couldn't tell them from Adam. I am only going by what's been said here...and it just doesn't make sense. I think it's an awfully sad situation. |
| The REAL victims of this are the poor sheepies.....I hope they go to a loving home and will be spoiled and treasured as all of our sheepies are!!!! |
| Nicole, how very true.
I have never had to give a dog to a rescue but I am sure both sides are fraught with difficulties and emotions. As far as "bashing", I did not get the impression the poster was trying to bash anyone. She was upset and trying to figure out what happened. It was made very clear VERY early in this post that Old English Sheepdog Rescue of the Southeast was in no way involved. But it does sound like someone misrepresented themselves to her. Often posts on a forum don't make sense, some people are better than others at expressing themselves in writting. That doesn't mean they are "fishy" or untrue. In reading through the posts I feel we have been a tad harsh to someone obviously going through a very difficult time. As I said before, this is a very sad story and I am so sorry that this happened to anyone. |
| But comments like...
Quote: These people lied and tricked me and then turned around and played games pretending they were going to bring them back. This is my message I want to get to ever one considering rescue.
... aren't exactly bashing but are detrimental to rescue, especially when it isn't clear what has happened yet. I do know that someone posted a link (as a guest) on the forum to these dogs when they were for sale. I took the link down but sent it to Tammy from TOES to see if she could help in any way and I know they were trying to work on the situation. Tammy is looking into this now to see what happened and I think she will clarify things when she knows all parts of the story. And in terms of rescues and being trustworthy, there's few people that I hold in higher regard than Tammy for her efforts and all around dedication. She would never lie or mislead us in telling us what happened on their end. |
| But, if someone told her they were from a rescue and weren't then they DID lie to her and trick her.
And yes, it could be detrimental to rescue but I think it was pretty clearly established that who ever did this WASN'T with a legitamate rescue. I would think that a rescue organization would want to know that someone was out there misrepresenting themselves. I doubt we will ever know the "whole" story here but I would think the rescue would want to follow up and find out who is passing themselves off as representing them when they aren't. |
| The rescue is aware that the volunteer went to get the dogs. She isn't "affiliated" with any one rescue group, I guess she just volunteers sometimes and has worked with another person in TOES before. Again, I don't think there was any trickery involved, some some miscommunication and confusion.
I'm going to shut up until Tammy posts since she'll have more insight. |
| If I were a rescue, I wouldn't have returned your dogs either.
You made a level headed decision to part with your dogs, now the raw emotion and the reality of the separation are painful. They are always going to be painful. The dogs are in good hands and will be re-homed, but no -- you'll never know the details. That's the hard part, but you should know that they will be fine and watched over and cared for and loved by both the adopting family/families and the rescue network volunteers. I'm sorry you are hurting, but the pain will subside and a little ways down the road you will realize you've done the right thing for everyone involved, especially your dogs. |
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