Grooming question relating to our OES eyes
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| Deborah!!!
Welcome to the forum...great advice and support here!!! There are many topics about eye hair.. Heart, my 7 month old's hair has been covering her eyes since I got her at 8 weeks. A couple weeks ago, her hair finally grew enuff for the top knot...Now I put it up in the morning and take it down for bed. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with cutting the hair, as long as it is your decision. In any event..the sheepie coat grows so fast, she will be "blinded" by her hair in no time. 
If you have any pictures, please post them...We ALL love to see pictures!!!! |
| Hi, welcome to the forum from another Deb (orah)
We've had heated debates here about the "fall" and whether an OES can see well through it. From my experience, they cannot see through it, as our dogs run into things, miss steps, etc., when it is down. It really depends how thick the head coat is. On our first OES we used to creatively cut the bangs. Our # 2 & 3 sheepdogs we put the hair up with rubber bands which I definitely think looks much better. IMO, your groomer, really has no right to cut whatever they want and I would make it clear what to or not to cut. Do whatever you are comfortable with regarding the fall. |
| What I have done with Violets hair, is to train it be parted down the middle. I got the idea from looking at a pic of Phoebe's Advitar here on the forum. I have been successful and her hair never gets in her eyes. The "top knot" is a great idea also. Good luck! |
| Hello Deborah. Our puppies are about the same age. Please post pictures. I want to see your baby. My Abi had her first hair trim yesterday. I took pictures and a book with me to the groomer. I stayed with Abi while she was trimming. I told her beforehand that I was staying to watch and she encouraged my presence. We pledged to laugh if it didn't look right and learned together. I am going to make copies of the scisorring section for her reference so that we have the same goals in mind. We shaped paws and bum. I plan on doing all future trimming myself, but the first time it was nice to have someone keep Abi perfectly still and she had scisorrs that I didn't which gave me a chance to try some out. She invited me to bring Abi in to her shop next time and she can watch as I try to go solo. She knows how important it is for me, knows that I am learning, and strives to do exactly as I ask. I would be hesitant in using someone that insists on anything. Building good repoire goes a long way. If you decide that you want to let the hair grow out, it won't take long. Abi runs into things a little less when her hair is in bands so I understand her concern. I hope you join the forum, welcome, and please post pictures. |
| Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it. I have postsed a couple of pictures of our Nanna.
Deborah |
WOW, Nanna is a doll, she is so beautiful  |
| Lol. Clyde got that same haircut when he was 7 months old. We called him Clydenstein for awhile because the top of his hair would flop down over the cut part, giving him a Frankenstein-like brow.
Nanna 
Clyde  |
| Nanna is adorable, in spite of how the groomer cut her hair.
I got a good laugh at Clyde..
But, it is just hair and it regrows pretty quickly. They are still the same fun dogs. Thanks for the Nanna pictures, she and your son look quite cute together.  |
| thank you for sharing your pictures of Nanna. She is sooo cute. I wouldn't worry too much about the hair since the rest of her looks puppy it tends to just blend in. |
| Nanna is a doll baby! The hair will grow back fast..
I remember the 1st time I had Allie groomed, about the same age...They shaved between her eyes. and shaved her nose! So she had a poodle/schnauzer look. Alot of groomers dont know what to do with the eyes on the OES, so tend to shave.. Now when I take her in, I tell them not to shave her nose, and just trim around the eyes. So far so good.....Ofcourse lately I have been doing the trimming myself  |
| Deborah,
Indeed welcome to the forum. I hope it will be a great resource to you as there are many knowledgeable and experienced people here who are only too willing to help. As Verve-up has noted seeing through the fall is a bit of a "hot" topic, not just here but is widespread throughout the breed's following and custodians. It was in fact the subject of my very first post here on the forum a few years ago. Check this discussion. http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?p=14536#14536 It is extensive but presents a wide range of ideas, the possibility that they are on the whole far-sighted which may explain the "near object" bumps (biff navigation) and offers a little experiment that you can conduct to get something of an appreciation of your Bobtail's view of the world. It is my experience that Bobtails can see through the fall, albeit to varying degrees, some very well, some less so. Both of my boys can see quite well which has been repeatedly demonstrated as they "lock on and track" another dog, person or other "target" that catches their interest and moves. In fact even stationary and silent "targets" which give no audible cues are watched intently. Granted they don't hold a candle to my Afghan Hounds (sight hound breed) who can see that chipmunk in the fall leaves at 300 yards but Martin and Virgil have no problem seeing all the interesting little parts of life around here. Dawn clearly sees less well than her daddy V and uncle Martin but she can see and recognize me as I walk down the road, even when I am downwind of her and don't call out for her attention, and when it comes to her Moma (Michele) my gosh she can tell Moma a long long way away! The physical ability to see through the fall is not the only factor here. These dogs seem to "key" on motion. They won't miss that leaf blowing down the road 200 ft away but yes they will walk into the wall right in front of them. You need to "learn" your dog and his/her abilities and limitations and then make appropriate accomodations. All that being said seeing through the fall is only possible if the coat is kept in decent shape and the fall is brushed through, free of mats, tangles and dirt. Also keep the "eye boogers" cleaned out as they will collect clumps of hair that will obscure peripheral vision. As far as a groomer doing whatever they please to one of my dogs, Well that is one reason in a long list that I don't use groomers for this exact reason. At the very least you need to meet with the grooming shop manager/owner and make sure they are fully aware of the situation and that its is in fact a breach of contract and endangers them receiving any further business from you if it cannot be resolved to your satisfaction. Thanks and Cheers Carl |
| I use thinning scissors with my two, when thier fur gets long in thier face.
They can see better, but from the outside you can't really tell, as you can't see their eyes...(but they can see you! ) |
| OOOOH! Nana is SO adorable!!!
Growing up we had sheepies, and my parents always cut "bangs" into thier hair around the eyes. So what alot of people dislike, I find nostalgic. I will probably give my two girls this cut when their hair grows long enough. But I agree with what everyone has said; its should be your decision, not your groomer's! |
Bosley's mom wrote: I use thinning scissors with my two, when thier fur gets long in thier face.
They can see better, but from the outside you can't really tell, as you can't see their eyes...(but they can see you! ) What a great idea! I might try this! |
| I keep Tasker's hair out of his eyes. I do leave short bangs over his eyes but not long enough to obscure his vision. Sheepies have lovely eyes, why keep them hidden?
It only took a couple of incidents of him running full tilt into large stationary objects (parked cars) to convince me that it was a safety issue. |
| I think the opinion that OES can't see through their fall is nonsense - at least with my 2. Why?
Even with a "full" fall... Maggie still sits and barks at the squirrels in the trees and on the power line, Barney and Maggie both bark at a dog 2 yards up and at strangers walking past the street in front of the house, The both are able to retrieve a dumbell over a 30" high jump or on flat, and go over a 60" broad jump quit well. Neither of them bump into things. Maybe my guys just have radar vision! |
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