Any suggestions?
- being understand that crate should be just enough space for the dog to get up, turn around and sleep... Mipanda is only 8 wks old, what size should I get him? Obvisouly we do not want to get different crate at his different stage of growth - as i read the forum, i realized that by controlling the food and water supply can greatly improve the bathroom training, but there is a problem where when bowl has no water in it, Mipanda would pee on the floor and drink the pee thinking that is water, what should be done to prevent that? |
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| There are crates you can buy...I believe they are called "Lifestages", that has a divider you can move back as the puppy grows. It sure beats buying different size cages as the pup gets bigger. |
| wht abt the drinking pee issue? |
Drinking pee sounds gross!  Try to make her pee outside in the grass... then she won't be able to drink it. If she pees on the floor, clean it right away.
As for the crate, a lot of the big wire crates come with dividers that you can attach inside and move back as they need more room. Our crate has one, and it's pretty easy to adjust. You can find them at PetCo or Petsmart.  |
| Roger that.... how should I train Mipanda to go bathroom then?
Because we will be moving to a house with a side yard in a couple of days and he will be in there until we come home. Should I train him go JUST @ the side yard? And how long should I wait until he is ready to be out there? |
| Do you mean that Mipanda will be outside all day until you come home from work? Or in the crate?
Potty training takes a lot of time and even more patience. Using the adjustable crates is a wonderful start, but even better, if it's possible you need to be around to take him out every few hours at LEAST. As a rule, he will have to pee after he plays, after he eats or drinks, right after a nap (even if he was only asleep for 10 minutes sometimes), as well as at least every 2-3 hours. He also will not know in advance that he has to go, and does not yet understand that even though he feels a little bit of pee in his bladder, he can wait until it is full before going. It's just sort of instinctual, "I feel pee, I must pee" kind of thing. Keeping Mipanda in his crate when you are not there with him or unable to supervise is a great idea. If the space is the right size he will try his best not to pee there because he does not want to get it dirty. Many people have many different ways of housebreaking. Tucker was great at it so therefore I am little biased of how we trained him. In my opinion, a dog should NEVER be reprimanded for peeing inside. This will only teach him, "My owner doesn't want to pee - I should do it in secret". Instead, we completely ignored the indoor pees, cleaning them up immediately and removing the smell with a pet deoderizer. When he did go outside, we "threw a party" with tons of affection, vocal praise, and treats. If you catch him in the act, startle him with a sound, pick him up as fast as you can, run outside with him, then put him down. You can also say "Go pee" (or "hurry up" or "do you business" or whatever you're going to call it) while he's peeing so that he eventually understands that what he is doing has a name and will do it on command. As for drinking the pee - he IS getting enough water, right? I've never heard of a dog doing that before, and I'm no expert but I just wonder that maybe if an animal is THAT dehydrated, drinking pee might seem like a good idea. If he is thirsty but it is past water time, try giving him an ice cube. It quenches the thirst and is absorbed better and slower into the blood stream so it doesn't hit his bladder the same way. Phewwww what a long reply. Hopefully you'll pick out some information or tips that you like - if you search through this forum there are lots of other ideas, too, so take a look. Good luck and have fun!  |
| Here are some house training tips that I provide all of my new puppy owners.
As soon as your puppy eats, takes a drink, wakes up from a nap, after a play session, or when you see him sniff...take him outside!! It helps if you familiarize your pup with a command...ex: Go pee. Do your business, etc. And praise your pup when he does his business outside. It' takes alot of persistance and alot of effort on your part, but if you are consistent, they pick it up in no time. Puppies are puppies, and will have accidents from time to time, so you have to be patient. Another thing I recommend is a crate. When you are not home and at night when you are sleeping, put the pup in his crate. Remember, you never want to use the crate as any sort of punishment. It should be a positive experience for him. I also recommend taking the pups water away a few hours before you put him in his crate for bed. Have a routine. Water bowl goes up a few hours before you intend on putting him to bed, and a final trip outside before putting him in his crate. |
Mel & Tucker wrote: Do you mean that Mipanda will be outside all day until you come home from work? Or in the crate?
Potty training takes a lot of time and even more patience. Using the adjustable crates is a wonderful start, but even better, if it's possible you need to be around to take him out every few hours at LEAST. As a rule, he will have to pee after he plays, after he eats or drinks, right after a nap (even if he was only asleep for 10 minutes sometimes), as well as at least every 2-3 hours. He also will not know in advance that he has to go, and does not yet understand that even though he feels a little bit of pee in his bladder, he can wait until it is full before going. It's just sort of instinctual, "I feel pee, I must pee" kind of thing. Keeping Mipanda in his crate when you are not there with him or unable to supervise is a great idea. If the space is the right size he will try his best not to pee there because he does not want to get it dirty. Many people have many different ways of housebreaking. Tucker was great at it so therefore I am little biased of how we trained him. In my opinion, a dog should NEVER be reprimanded for peeing inside. This will only teach him, "My owner doesn't want to pee - I should do it in secret". Instead, we completely ignored the indoor pees, cleaning them up immediately and removing the smell with a pet deoderizer. When he did go outside, we "threw a party" with tons of affection, vocal praise, and treats. If you catch him in the act, startle him with a sound, pick him up as fast as you can, run outside with him, then put him down. You can also say "Go pee" (or "hurry up" or "do you business" or whatever you're going to call it) while he's peeing so that he eventually understands that what he is doing has a name and will do it on command. As for drinking the pee - he IS getting enough water, right? I've never heard of a dog doing that before, and I'm no expert but I just wonder that maybe if an animal is THAT dehydrated, drinking pee might seem like a good idea. If he is thirsty but it is past water time, try giving him an ice cube. It quenches the thirst and is absorbed better and slower into the blood stream so it doesn't hit his bladder the same way. Phewwww what a long reply. Hopefully you'll pick out some information or tips that you like - if you search through this forum there are lots of other ideas, too, so take a look. Good luck and have fun! what I meant was Mipanda would be out @ the side yard with water and we would have him in the crate during the night, would that be a problem training and health wise? as for pee drinking issue, I didn't pick that up until i start raising the water bowl, what should I do? |
| I guess I am not understanding....
Will your 8-9 week old puppy be outside all day until you get home from work??? If this is correct, I think it will be very difficult to house train. When Heart came to me at 8 weeks, I took a week off of work to "bond" with her and to start her on a schedule. --- Out every 20 minutes, watching her to see what she did before she "peed", or pooped. After that week, I came home every 2 hours, just for 15 minutes to let her out and play with her. On the days I could not come home, one of my neighbors agreed to help and take her out or one of my (adult) kids helped. On New Years Eve we were out later than I expected. Heart was in her crate for 8 hours...when we came home...no messes ( so I know she can hold it for 8 hours now). She is now 7 months old, I come home at lunch..Beginning next week, I will begin to stagger my time...hopefully in a couple of weeks I will not come home at all. I knew when I decided on getting a puppy as opposed to an older dog it would be a long sometimes difficult process---- from housetraining to obedience classes, to the "chewing" stage, teenage stage..etc. But I really wanted this and I was willing to work through all the different challenges. Good Luck!! |
sheepieshake wrote: I guess I am not understanding....
Will your 8-9 week old puppy be outside all day until you get home from work??? If this is correct, I think it will be very difficult to house train. When Heart came to me at 8 weeks, I took a week off of work to "bond" with her and to start her on a schedule. --- Out every 20 minutes, watching her to see what she did before she "peed", or pooped. After that week, I came home every 2 hours, just for 15 minutes to let her out and play with her. On the days I could not come home, one of my neighbors agreed to help and take her out or one of my (adult) kids helped. On New Years Eve we were out later than I expected. Heart was in her crate for 8 hours...when we came home...no messes ( so I know she can hold it for 8 hours now). She is now 7 months old, I come home at lunch..Beginning next week, I will begin to stagger my time...hopefully in a couple of weeks I will not come home at all. I knew when I decided on getting a puppy as opposed to an older dog it would be a long sometimes difficult process---- from housetraining to obedience classes, to the "chewing" stage, teenage stage..etc. But I really wanted this and I was willing to work through all the different challenges. Good Luck!! I was just informed the badness and potential danger having him out alone in the side yard, i take that back and would not leave him out.... but 2 more things that i was still confused on.... - would the dog whine if they have accident in their den? Because currently I have him on newspaper and he won't go on the newspaper again if he goes there, even a tiny bit. - it seems like he would not have any accident on the bed (my fiance and I are both waiting to move in to the new house and the bed we both currently sleeping on have no high frame), does that automatically translate that he "understands" that "it is comfortable and I don't want to ruin it" kind of thing? And by putting something that stimulates our bed, would that reduce the chance that he will have accidents? and in the mean time, i can see if i can bring him to work secretly.... without my boss knows of course... i work in retail and i'm by myself every single day i work, as long as boss doesn't find out, then it will not be an issue |
Quote: I was just informed the badness and potential danger having him out alone in the side yard, i take that back and would not leave him out.... but 2 more things that i was still confused on....
- would the dog whine if they have accident in their den? Because currently I have him on newspaper and he won't go on the newspaper again if he goes there, even a tiny bit. - it seems like he would not have any accident on the bed (my fiance and I are both waiting to move in to the new house and the bed we both currently sleeping on have no high frame), does that automatically translate that he "understands" that "it is comfortable and I don't want to ruin it" kind of thing? And by putting something that stimulates our bed, would that reduce the chance that he will have accidents? and in the mean time, i can see if i can bring him to work secretly.... without my boss knows of course... i work in retail and i'm by myself every single day i work, as long as boss doesn't find out, then it will not be an issue First and foremost, YES it is a BAD idea to leave your puppy or even a full grown dog outside all day. There are many reasons why, but among them are the following: 1. He is not safe - you do not know what other animals, people, or weather conditions will come and go throughout the day while you are gone. He could get into garbage or get caught in something. Side story: Tucker was outside in our fenced yard the other day. We WERE home, he was just out there to do his business. He barks when he wants to come back in. 10 minutes after we let him out, our neighbour appeared at our front door...with Tucker!!! There was some snow build up beside our fence that we had not seen because it was hidden by the garage, and Tucker had climbed up and jumped the fence to our neighbour's driveway! If we had not been home and she had not been outside, he could have gone anywhere, and who knows what may have happened. 2. He will be LONELY. Dogs are pack animals, and sheepdogs in particular are family dogs who want to spend time with you, not isolated outside. If you are not home, put Mipanda in his crate with a toy (something safe that he cannot ingest or choke on), and something soft, maybe a towel or blanket (Nothing TOO absorbent or else they can still pee on it because it will absorbe in and he may therefore feel that his crate is still "clean" enough). 3. As Sheepieshake wrote, keeping him outside will make housetraining difficult, as well as the potential for damaging social behaviour. I would suggest that you do a little research while you go through the thraining periods. "Puppies for Dummies" by Sarah Hodgson is a great resource and helped me very much. In my opinion, her training techniques are different and not quite my style, but she had a ton of tips on what to expect with a puppy and all kinds of housetraining ideas. There are many other books at the library and book store that you may find very helpful, as well as many websites I am sure (including this one!). I apologize in advance if my reactions seem too harsh...I just wanted to offer some more advice and point you in the right direction. Tucker is only 9 1/2 months old, so I am more than familiar with not only the difficulty of training but the overwhelming amount of information. HOpefully we are all offering some helpful advice. Keep us posted, and good luck!! |
| no worries about the comment, i actually went to petsmart today and skim through a few books on housetraining and saw "puppies for dummies" hope I can get handy with that when i move into the new place...
as far as crate training goes, the person who I talked with at petsmart suggests that if the puppy is not comfortable while he is in the crate the first time (she said about 96%), just give him a little treat (a very little treat, or maybe a soft treat cut-ups to avoid over feeding) just to comfort him down and make him comfortable enough (like a towel and his chew toy)... and with bathroom training, she suggest the same.... but she said just a little treat too would improve a lot.... as the progress goes, i tried to limit the food and water intake (no more food and water for him after 8:30ish) and it worked last night.... until 4am in the morning he wondering around looking for water and he happened to wake me up, so i got up and gave him a little ice cube to soothe his thirst..... and it really helped decreased his bathroom times..... but of course i would buy a crate and the water bottle to ensure he'll be adaptable once he gets to the new place.... in the mean time, i would keep u guys updated on how my progress goes, any suggestions, feel free to PM me... i am always open for new ideas! |
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