Sorry, but it's another post about...

Agression.

Ok I thought it was just a phase, that he would grow out of it, that it was just those terrible teen years, but now I am convinced that it is a potentially harmful problem. :( Albert gets super aggressive when we play outside, he loves to chase a ball and have me chase after him, but as soon as I say "time to go in" he goes crazy biting and jumping on me. He used to just dart for the front door. Even when I play with him a long time and he is panting and too tired to chase the ball he'll bite (and hard) when its time to go in, it's like he gets mad at me. I asked the trainer about it, she said to put a leash on him and any time he gets rowdy to put him in time-out by stepping on it. He thought this was a fun new game :? And I'm afraid it's getting worse, he not only does it to me now when we're playing, but anytime anyone goes outside when he is out there. I am really scared he's going to hurt someone, and my parents are threatening me that if he keeps on/it gets worse I'll have to sale him :cry: Any suggestions at all would help!!

Btw, I can get him to sit when he starts doing this, but as soon as I give the "ok" command he goes crazy again.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
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The trainer I consulted suggested a squirt bottle, like the oes is a cat, spray him, That kind of works.

Also what has had the most success for me is brute force. To show her what I want I'll make her body do it (no small feat, we are almost matched in size). Now, the trainer suggested (i'm not sure the technical name for it) to wrap her muzzle shut with the leash. I use a pinch collar too.

This afternoon she started with the biting - I had her on the leash in the house - I got the leash ready to wrap and she bit it (bonus) making it easier to wrap around her muzzle (just once) then I leaned over her (dominace) and controled her now non bitin head with pinch collar and lead her to her room/crate for a time out.

this evening there was no biting behavior.

most of all do not be afraid she will bite you. if you get afraid she goes straight into herding drive and forget it.

also know you will both make mistakes. she jumped once when I was turning and gashed my elbow - a mistake and she felt bad. I was reaching down to brush her with the paddle brush and she jumped up into *CRACK* I appologized and she knew it was an accident.

Keep in mind, I'm where you are, just trying to work things out, no guarentee anything will work, just some suggestions. try what you're comfortable with.
This is a thought-

Chelsea does not know when to quit and also becomes aggressive if I try to grab her collar to lead her indoors after a rousing game of frisbee or ball-

Here are some things to think about- I don't power struggle with her anymore on going in- it seems to bother her that I want her to go in - so now I just leave her out in the yard and go in myself- occassionally she defiantly barks for me to come back out- but more often she realises the game is over and if she wants to hang with me she will have to give up and come in.

I put the toys away- there is a little bit of a ritual and the frisbee/ball gets put away- this signals it's "over". Sometime she barks at the cupboard door but then I try to distract her with a new thing to do in the house - such as a chew bone or squeaky toy (alone games)

The last suggestion I would have is to make ending the ball game more fun than playing the ball game- Chelsea hates coming in and she has this annoying little OES habit of standing at the bottom of the back steps AS IF she wants to come in - but when you open the door and say "come"- she just looks at you- so now I go running into the house as if we are going to continue the game indoors- I give her positive reinfocement for following me in- treats- praise- and I put the toys away if need be with more treats and praise- so now she thinks coming in can be fun too!

Just some suggestions- they are such quirky little critters. Chelsea actually bites and snarls when you grab her collar and typical of the breed, if you get tough with her she just gets more defiant, so I withold love and attention when she does this, I walk away, and after a brief period of OES stubborness, she follows, and then she's usually pretty contrite for the snarling, if I get tough on her she just get's snarlier (is that a word?) I'm always pretty reluctant to "fight fire with fire" when it comes to the OES- they know too much. And they are built to outlast us lowly humans.

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Play rough housing games, or games of tugofwar only make them more dominant...esp if they win. I'd stop those games all together. As for a game of fetch, have a bag of treats in the pocket......the to die for treats....now only give him one if he returns the ball to you. Don't chase after him. If he won't return the ball stand like a tree, admire the clouds, the game is no longer fun for the dog and he will reconsider. If he starts jumping and biting, continue being a tree, but once he sits, reward reward reward.


He'll probably wonder what the he!! you're doing, and stop to watch you. You've got to be alpha. If you plan on feeding, eat a piece of something as you put the food down. Be the first one through the door...if he's first to enter and first to eat then he is leader of the house.

If you have to call him in or to you reward with a treat every single time he comes....so that coming when called means a good treat.

You could also enroll in obedience classes, this will strengthen your role as pack leader. My favorite book is by Stanley Coren...What do dogs think. It explains what a dogs is saying by the actions it has, it has alot of pictures. He is a professional trainer, has a show called "Good Dog", you can find it on Amazon.com or .ca.
if albert is food driven i suggest getting a jar of treats and leaving them by the door to come in. when its time to go in put the treat by his nose and have him follow you inside and then put him in a down stay and give him the treat once you think hes settled. it will teach him patience and hell associate going inside with getting a treat!
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