Crate/housetraining
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| I am new to this forum as well, and our 10 month old OES has similar issues at around 6 months as well....Our Kayla would go to the bathroom in the house or in her crate at various times, and it was almost always out of either frustration or defiance (SP?) becase she would have been walked a few moments before her "accidents"...Our trainer diagnosed her with severe seperation anxiety and it was quite bad this past summer...She went number 2 in the back of our car twice and peed on our bed once as well...she would also pee in her crate far too many times than we would have expected...However we have gotten though this and Kayla has not had an accident in the house or her crate in over three months....We found that though many dogs do well in there crates , our Kayla had issues with it and did not respond well at all...We had her sleeping in our room with the door shut since September and she has done great...She finds a nice spot at the end of the bed or on the tile florr at out door and sleeps very well through the night...She occasionally would wake us up at around 2 or 3 in the morning, but has since settled down....She goes for regular walks at 6:00 am, 8:00 am, 5:00 pm & 9:00 and this has worked well for us....I hope your dog's situation is similar to ours, because I know how frustrating it can be....If your dog is getting out enough I am quite certain you dog has similar issues to Kayla, and it is a behavioral issue that will correct itselfwith a little bit of work...Hopefuly others wil reply because I am not as knowledgeable as some other posters, but our dog has gotten through her house training isses...BTW we keep her out during the day now for the last three weks and she has not had one accident...Good Luck.
jay |
| welcome to oes ownership and the forum. hey guest you should register and become a member. i really have no advice did not have a problem with mine. guest you might try what jayt suggested. i'm sure others will give their advice as well. |
| Thank you Jay, for replying to my post and giving me some hope that this issue with Isabel may actually improve. (I just hope that my sanity remains intact when we get there.) lol After reading your post, it does seem that our bobtails have alot in common as far as behavior goes so I am definitely hopeful. Have a great night and thanks again! Carole |
| Hi Isabel's Mom and everyone,
I am new to posting here too but have been reading (and loving!) this forum for several years. I am on my second sheepdog and both were very slow in housetraining but I kept at it and they both finally learned. I just kept taking them out and praising them whenever they went-especially after sleeping and napping. I also used newspaper for if they couldn't make it out in time-don't know if this is supposed to be a good thing but it seemed to help. I just picked one place and always put the newspaper in the same spot. Don't give up-my Theo the holy terror took months-but after he finally learned he was wonderful. We could leave him for hours and when I got home I'd let him out-he would tear at top speed to the end of his rope and pee and pee! |
| Is one thing I left out in my post...Sheepdogs seem to respond so well to praise, so when Kayla would go to the bathroom outside on regular intervals, I would make a point of going over board with praising her...She would look at me and seemed so proud of herself....I still continue to do this even now....Just want to continue to reinforce that her going to the bathroom outside still is something positive for her.
Jay |
| Weclome Isabelle mom and Jay........from St. Louis.....
You will get great advice here!!!!! Don't forget to post pictures of your furbabies!!!!! |
Hi Carole & Jay, Welcome.....Chauncey was abit of a problem as well. It took about 8 mos before we were accident free. In addition he is not food driven by any means so treats as a reward didn't work. I really believe, that since these guys tend to stay puppies for about 3 years, maturity plays a roll. To qoute my husband daily for the 1st 18 mos. " it's getting better ".  He's now 2 and he really is great.....hang in there. Chaunce now will tap us with his paw if we're not paying attention when he needs to go, kinda like excuse me BUT...........
Kathy |
| My suggestion is keep the crate close to the door. Have your shoes on and everything ready before you open the crate door. DO NOT give her the slightest opporttunity to squat before you get outside. Clip the leash on while she is still in the crate and make a beeline for the door. If she is carrying weight you might even want to scoop her up and not put her down til you are OUTSIDE. |
Our breeder said much the same thing. " If their feet hit the floor in the morning it's too late " . I'm getting the same way  |
| Hi Isabel's Mom and everyone,
New here too! Isn't this a great place! We had the worst time with Biggy our little sheepie! We got him at 5 weeks and I swear it took 7 months to get him housebroke. (still don't really trust him) I just kept taking him outside about 20 minutes after he ate, kept walking him untill he did his thing. Same with water. I'm at home most days, so it was a little easlier, but I just kept taking him outside all the time. Told him what a good boy he was when he pee-d outside. And told him bad when he did it inside. But I definatly used more positive reinforcement! The crate, is the only way to go when you are not home or can't watch them. Biggy still goes into his box when we leave for a long time. Darn thing takes up 1/2 the kitchen it's so big! He spends most nights out with Gilbert in kitchen on their bed. But everymorning, 5:00 am he's ready to go out and will start barking!! |
Wow! Thank you so much to everyone who responded! What a great place this is! I looked so forward to being able to get back here tonight. It is so helpful to me to know that others have experienced much the same issues with their babies. I definitely feel a renewed sense of hope and resolve and that is a great feeling! I will try the suggestions and keep you updated.  |
| Treats work really well with my Dumbbell. I took him out to a specific spot in the yard and said "pee pee" repeatedly. As soon as he started to go, I gave him a lot of praises and when he was done, I gave him a treat right away. After a couple of days, he got the message that peeing is outside and he got rewarded for doing it. He recognizes the command "pee pee" now. I still keep giving him treats even though he's already house-trained now. He's now 5 months old and hasn't had a single accident for 2 months now. Consistency is the key. And repetition. My OES has taught me to be patient. Though he's house-trained now, I still don't trust him 100% that he won't go inside, so I always keep an eye on him when he's indoor with me. |
Hello! Welcome to the forum! I am also new and have become OBSESSED with this website. It isn't healthy. No, not at all, but I love it just the same 
As Tucker is only 9 months old, I understand the aggravation of housetraining. I have read a TON on the subject and have had really wonderful success. If I may, here are a few tips... 1. Please don't use adversive training for this. Reprimanding puppy or using any kind of negativity on the subject isn't really helpful. It only sends the message "My parents get mad when they see me pee. Maybe I should do it in secret". I don't think that is what you're going for 
I had Tucker trained early because I was lucky enough to be home all day with him and really get on top of him for it. As soon as I saw him starting to pee, I would yell and hoot and hollar and stomp and make any sound I could to startle him just enough that he would stop peeing (I never said "bad dog", just acted like a maniac for a few seconds). I would them swoop him up and run out the door and put him down on the ground. As soon as he started peeing again (which sometimes took a little while), I would say "go pee" over and over again. The moment he stopped it was time to throw a party! Tons of treats and praise, as if he had just performed a miracle. 2. If he did pee inside but I was too late to catch it, I gave absolutely no reaction whatsoever (which was sometimes difficult, one day comes to mind where I specifically recall cleaning up FOURTEEN pees that day!!). You didn't catch him, so yelling at him later won't do a thing. He'll have no idea why he's in trouble. 3. As for the peeing in the crate - how big is the crate? It should only be big enough for puppy to lie down and turn around. Any bigger and they'll pee in one end and sleep in another. Dogs like to keep their "dens" clean and will avoid peeing in their sleeping areas. 4. I taught Tucker to ring a bell when he had to go outside when he was just 3 or so months old. This sounds very difficult but was in fact quite easy, although it did take some time, and Tucker spent the first little while understanding the correlation between bell and pee, but forgot the order. He would pee on the floor and then go ring the bell! Poor dear, but he finally got it! If anyone wants information on how I did this, please let me know and I can post some tips in a new strand. 5. Do keep him close by so you can stop him peeing before he really gets going. If you're going to be doing something where you can't watch him, try crating him for a little bit. 6. Last thing - while dogs can pee out of anxiety or fear, they never ever do it to be malicious. Dogs don't think that way, they only think and do out of instinct. This is a difficult concept for them to grasp, so the key is to be clear, consistent, and patient while they try to figure out exactly what it is you are requiring of them. I hope this helps a little bit, and I apologize about the lengthiness! I'm not a very succinct person |
| Just hopping in to welcome you to the community! |
| I'd like to add one more thing. Don't give your puppy water two hours before bedtime and take your puppy for a pee before bedtime. |
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