Dogs and puppies need rescue in Michigan
Here is Annie's post on oes-L. http://www.neoesr.org/michiganpups.htm "There are 4 boys and 2 females. They are 10 weeks old. Anyone interested needs to fill out an on line application to NEOESR and then contact me PRIVATELY. There will be a small donation request and you will be getting a pup that is very shy, not at all housebroken, and will need very special care. At this moment we do not know if these pups are deaf or what kind of worms they have. Before they are ready to be picked up, they will have at least one immunization, and we will try and get an idea about their hearing. This is not a usual way of doing Rescue but it is the best we can do. NEOESR is joining MI Rescue in this endeavor. The puppies will be in Grand Rapids, MI and that is where they will need to be picked up asap after they get there and are vetted. They are AKC registerable but there will be no papers given. They need to go to homes where there is care available, fenced yards, not tiny babies, and all pups will be required to be enrolled in some form of puppy class or qualified substitute for socialization. Again, these pups have not been exposed to handling, hence the need for a dedicated socialization program. Note the picture of the sire...he has already been spoken for thanks to one of Gerry House's workerbees. Thank you, Gerry. If there is any of you that lives near Grand Rapids that can foster or adopt or foster/flunkie types, please contact me asap 781-259-8173 ..please call or email me privately. I apologize for bringing this to the OES-List but it is the most efficient way to reach a lot of people. If any of you wishes to contact other Chat lists, now is the time. We need to have potential homes that will provide their own transportation. All homes will need approval, so if you can adopt a puppy, can you do a home check? Please call or email me asap. I am not sure what date the pups and parents will be actually in Grand Rapids....but very soon." Marie Harrington Dixie OES Rescue |
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| If tranport is needed I am only 3 hours from Grand Rapids and I'm sure Jill would help out as well, just let us know if I (we) can help. I'm shocked there is a commercial breeder in MI, pretty naive of me. |
| I have been in touch with Gerry and will post any additional information upon receipt. At this time, specific needs are unknown. |
| Yes please keep us informed, I may be able to adopt one if their health checks out. |
| You'd better move quickly if you want one.
I mean, FAST. Puppies don't last long in rescue. |
| The pups will probably be transported back out East so NEOESR can properly vet and evaluate them. I really think this is the best plan. They will need to be quarantined for a short period to make sure they have nothing contagious... remember that these are mill pups that had a less than ideal start in life. The adults will stay behind in Michigan and Gerry will handle their spay/neutering and placement.
NEOESR may need some transport assistance once the pups are ready to be placed. Remember- if you want to be considered for adoption, complete an application as soon as possible- http://www.neoesr.org/adoptionform/ and send an email to Grannie Annie as Marie mentioned above- grannie.annie@neoesr.org Thanks for assisting these 8 sheepies, Marie.  It's great to see you back! |
| I emailed Annie earlier but she has not responded yet. If I would adopt one it would be my fourth adoption. |
| She had mentioned she's got a lot of sheepies she's trying to work with right now including the Michigan pups so you may need give her some time to reply. You've gotten 3 rescues?? |
6Girls wrote: You've gotten 3 rescues??
I sound like an addict don't I. Yes I got the first one in 1984 and had him until 1996. The second one, from 1996, died an untimely death from an adverse vaccine reaction in 2001. The current one is 7, active, even tempered and as posted in another thread :big boned". All came from Grace in Chicago. I cannot imagine being without one and think my current one might like a little brother. |
Quote: I sound like an addict don't I.
You're talking to someone with 6 dogs  
That vaccination thing is scary... it must have been very hard to loose one to that. I received a call to assist and we were SO excited... my husband had the car greased and oiled and filled the tank so we'd be ready. But then common sense reared it's ugly head and I put in a call to the vet. We knew we would be unable to help with any hands on work. We've got one rescue that titered suboptimal for distemper despite 2 vaccinations this year and one with a cleft palate that should not be exposed to kennel cough (IF they were to have this). Since none have been vetted, our vet felt it would be best not to bring any in. We just don't have a proper quarantine area.
This is why I think the plan has been well thought out... it will protect the pups and the families and their own dogs that eventually get them. I am bummed we won't have a pup or two here though 
Good luck to you! |
6Girls wrote: That vaccination thing is scary... it must have been very hard to loose one to that.
It was very hard on us and especially my OES, It was a terrible death and I cannot recommend enough not to give any vaccination except rabies after 1 year of age. I ended up suing the vet and as a result the vet insurance carrier sent out notices to all US vets that they would no longer defend them in any unnecessary vaccination lawsuitsas they considered the practice fraud. It was the only good that came from his death. |
| I know our vets have changed up the vaccination protocol a lot at their office to be a lot more conservative. What vaccination was it that caused you to lose your dog? Sorry if you posted about this before. |
| I've talked to Grannie Annie about these pups and have offered to foster (but I think she is getting a lot of offers for this) and/or transport in Northern IL or Southern WI. I think it will be a bit before we hear anything. Those dogs are gorgeous...even the sire is a beauty! |
VerveUp wrote: What vaccination was it that caused you to lose your dog?
I do not know for sure but he died of Immune Mediated Thrombocytopenia. My best guess is the parvo vaccine. My opinion (and those of several specialists) is that none of them do any good after the vaccines given the first year. Vaccines are the vets big moneymakers and that is why they continue to give them. |
debcram wrote: I think it will be a bit before we hear anything.
That is disappointing |
| I always thought you gave dogs a yearly needle vac??? |
| Over the past few years, dog vaccination protocol has changed in many vet practices. Many now recommend core vaccinations every 3 years instead of annually. http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/ ... evised.pdf Some say these vaccinations last even longer.
Rabies vaccinations I believe are required by all states... Michigan has a mandatory 3 year rabies vaccine. But there's another study going on called the Rabies Challenge Fund... Dr. Schultz is heading the studies to prove the vaccinations remain effective for a longer period of time... Dr. Dodds is also involved... http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/abou ... 20RCF.html Quote: One of the most important vaccine research studies in veterinary medicine is
underway at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine in Madison. Dr. Ronald Schultz, a leading authority on veterinary vaccines and Chair of the Department of Pathobiological Sciences, has begun concurrent 5 and 7 year challenge studies to determine the long-term duration of immunity of the canine rabies vaccine, with the goal of extending the state-mandated interval for boosters. These will be the first long-term challenge studies on the canine rabies vaccine to be published in the United States. Dr. Schultz comments that: "We are all very excited to start this study that will hopefully demonstrate that rabies vaccines can provide a minimum of 7 years of immunity." Over vaccination can have serious consequences... this breed is known to have autoimmune problems so over vaccination is a concern. It's something to talk over with your vet. We went with the 3 year vaccination schedule and titer annually... but there is controversy over titering too. We may not revaccinate for a longer time because my pack stays pretty close to home. |
| A bit off topic, but very much on topic...I have two cats. They are housecats. Never leave the house. The vets always push me to vaccinate them, and medicate them. I refuse. One is 16, the other 15. They are so incredibly healthy. If they were outdoor cats, or mixed and mingled with other cats I would vaccinate them. But they aren't, and they don't. I think as a society, even with children, we over-vaccinate. And, we are losing the natural ability to build our own immunities. JMHO |
| I may have posted this before, but I had an OES die from the Lyme vaccination. |
| Sami is coming up to first year shots plus rabies. I was told rabies shot when we get them on the last set. Then one at a year then every 2 years. Vac... do I do or not or on the third year. Our vet still does this yearly? |
| Some states legally regulate when your animals have to have rabies shots. If your dog bites someone and you can't provide proof of rabies vaccination, you can face fines. |
| Has anyone heard if any of these puppies are still available? I am traveling in the area this week and would love to adopt one. I emailed and haven't got a response yet.
Gregg |
| I think they've all been placed but drop Grannie Annie a note just to be sure.
grannie.annie@neoesr.org or give her a call- http://neoesr.org/doghome.htm The only one not pictured below if Phoenix who went to MA... http://www.neoesr.org/pups-dewey-1207.htm went to ME http://www.neoesr.org/pups-doc-1207.htm went to NY http://www.neoesr.org/pups-misty-1207.htm now Lara http://www.neoesr.org/pups-rico-1207.htm went to NH http://www.neoesr.org/pups-sierra-1207.htm now Ruby |
| I think a lot of us wanted to adopt, but from what G/A has told me, they are all spoken for. |
| I just thought I would let everyone know that all the puppies found homes. The hunt for our family's first oes. Thanks for everyone's continued help in our search. |
wrecktech wrote: I emailed Annie earlier but she has not responded yet. If I would adopt one it would be my fourth adoption.
I really hate to complain but as a multiple OES rescuer I am quite insulted by Grannie Annie. I wrote to Grannie Annie within 3 or 4 hours after the initial posting but never received any reply. Shortly after I joined this forum I was approached by a member of NEOESR asking me to join NEOESR to assist in home checks, transportation and fostering. Apparently I was good enough to be asked to donate my time, money and services but not good enough to deserve a response concerning an adoption. From reading the replies in this thread I see I am not the only one who didn't get a reply. I guess that even after 3 adoptions I must not be an insider in the "New England preferred club" I would also ask that members not post requests for adoptions knowing that any offer to adopt would be ignored. |
| She is a verrrry busy lady, and dogs that will be adopted instantly (You know, like puppies) get tons and tons of inquiries, and she likely has many homes approved and pending for puppies.
That said, your emails shouldn't be just totally dropped. I'm sorry that happened. |
| A few years ago, I sent in my application and expressed interest in adopting form NEOESR. I was told about a dog and shown the picture and was given the "your dog" story over the course of a few days. Well, all of a sudden the emails stopped and when I would inquire about the dog, GA said that she had placed him with someone else. This happened 3 more times. The 4th dog, she called me at 9 o'clock at night and told me I had to go see this dog or he would be put down! I called the people who had him and they were fostering him, assured me that he wasn't going anywhere and I could see him whenever I wanted. Turns out this was an OES mix, about the size of a cocker spaniel, who was partly deaf and going blind and GA wanted him to go to a quiet home. I had a rambunctious pup and a senior dog at my house!! Quiet? My house?
I became so frustrated by the whole process that I decided to buy a dog and skip the rescue route. About 4 months, or so, later GA calls me and tells me she has the perfect dog for me. She was offended and flabergasted that I had bought a dog and when I told her how upset I was by the whole experience she said that I was a great home and was just waiting for me to get my fence and she didn't think that she had jerked me around about those other dogs. I never mentioned anything about a fence coming anytime soon! I think that she lives in her own world. She does good work for the dogs but her people skills are lacking. I'm not totally turned off of the rescue world. I donate my time and my efforts but that experience really left me with a bad taste for that organization. It does seem like the new people have a hard time getting into the "inner circle". |
| Wrecktech... I have tried (twice) to send you a pm, but for some reason it is not going through. Please pm, so I try and send it again in a reply. Thanks. |
| There must have been a lot of inquiries. I know that Deborah had wanted one too. Puppies always go so fast... it's what the majority of people want but in reality, many more adults go through rescue than puppies unless there's some defect. I know you mentioned adopting several sheepies for Chicagoland OES Rescue... had your application been with NEOESR for a long time too?
NEOESR might consider a form letter or auto reply when it comes to situations like this... I loath these but in reality, it's not possible for a rescue volunteer to personally reply to all the inquiries when it comes to infrequent batches of puppies coming through. But at least they would make contact so people wouldn't feel they were ignored. Unfortunately in situations like this there will be more people who end up disappointed than thrilled. Good rescues and good breeders can be a lot a like when it comes to the appearance of "snubbing" or inner circles. From the rescue applications I've seen, fenced yards are almost always required. But it's definitely NOT fair to owners who will be responsible! People who don't have a fenced yard yet always keep control of their dog are better owners in my book than those that rely on a fenced yard. The only way to tell if an owner is being truthful about this however is after the dog is placed and either lives a very long and happy life or is hit by a car, ends up at Animal Control or is never seen again. Again, it's not fair to the good people who will be responsible... I'm glad I don't make these decisions. I only assist OES rescue on the fringe. I'm an outsider so I can do as I please and not worry about breaking the rules of different rescues. I put $400 toward spay/neutering the parents of these MI pups. What did I get from the deal? Nothing at all. But the mother will no longer be forced to produce litter after litter of puppies and both will live a better life. Despite occasional assistance with different rescues, I'm not in any "inner circle". Just to share a personal experience of "rejection"... I was bypassed when it came to the adoption of Scruffy so I know this disappointment first hand. I was working with both rescues and wanted a pup said to be DYING for pete's sake. Scruffy was a mill pup that was in hospice care in Missouri. http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/dis ... id=8139864 In the end, I know he found a fantastic home... he is now PJ that many of you have heard about.
Keep your applications on file with different OES rescues... you just never know when another puppy will become available. |
| When we get puppies we are absolutely swamped with emails and voicemails, but I always find time to respond to everyone. I go to school full time and work part time, so I know it gets hectic, but it is silly to say that you do not have time to give a 2 sentence reply to someone's email. I think every rescue has a responsibility to treat people with respect and to reply to them quickly... otherwise we are just driving people to pet stores. |
Quote: it is silly to say that you do not have time to give a 2 sentence reply to someone's email. I think every rescue has a responsibility to treat people with respect and to reply to them quickly... otherwise we are just driving people to pet stores.
Yeah... that is true.  I'm not sure how NEOESR is set up... does G/A handle all the emails, phone calls and placements herself? Preliminary contact might be delegated to other volunteers who don't handle the actual placements... something to consider if it's not that way.
Puppies probably shouldn't even be posted to the public. I'm sure rescues have more than enough applications already on hand to easily place them. More the reason to make sure your application has been submitted/approved before puppies become available. |
| Having run a rescue group for 4 years.....and done everything including windows, I can understand how overwelming it can be at times. Sometimes I had other things going in my life, (like Christmas) so responses to calls and emails had to take a back seat....and yes, I had to take the flack for it.... Burn-out can very easily creep up on you, and sometimes the best laid out plans fall apart.
Quote: Preliminary contact might be delegated to other volunteers who don't handle the actual placements... something to consider if it's not that way.
Maybe some people on this forum would like to volunteer in this capacity? I am sure she would welcome the help. |
| I am in an uncomfortable position here.
Grannie Annie is a hard working woman dedicated to and responsible for the saving of thousands of sheepdogs over the years. She is the heart and soul of NEOESR, an organization for which Joan and I have both sat at members of the Board of Directors, of which we are still members and from which our dogs have been acquired. The amount of work that needs to be done and the amount of work that is done at headquarters is astounding and overwhelming. It is unfortunate that sometimes people get offended by the situations that arise. While Annie and I have not seen eye to eye on every issue, I can assure you that she does not intend to offend people who are looking to adopt or looking to volunteer. It just isn't intended that way, even if sometimes bad situations come about. Annie does her best everyday to run the organization in the way she feels will be best for the dogs within the limit of the human resources available. |
| Oh my I feel I need to comment Might I suggest that we take a step back and place oneself in someone else's shoes. We should also realize that not everyone handles things as we would wish or in way we think we would have handled it. This is a view of the world that allows me to go on when my expectations aren't met. Maybe my expectations weren't expressed and I need to be more persistent about something. I really honestly don't think that people intentionally snub someone unless you've had a personal attacking conversation, someone is super busy or overwhelmed, or the task has been delegated to someone else who misunderstood the request. Quite possibly, an email didn't come through or arrived as spam which is a common computer issue. Anyway, in light of the new year and new possibilities, I'd like to say HAPPY NEW YEAR to all |
Quote: Maybe some people on this forum would like to volunteer in this capacity?
Yes! Rescues can always use dedicated and conscientious volunteers. It's the volunteers that make rescue possible. Some people might see this as just excuse but another thing to consider is that we did have a big holiday in there... people may have left town and replies might not have gotten out as quickly as usual? |
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