5 month old St. Louis/Springfield
Can anyone see if the owner will relinquish this guy to rescue? We believe this is a naughty breeder. I can foster him, but he's too far for me to "run back and forth". Thanks! http://www.puppyfind.com/view_listing/? ... %26back%3D |
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| If someone can pull him I can probably make the drive or part of the drive to get him to Deborah. I don't know how to go about actually getting him out. Driving this weekend would be best, but can probably make it during the week too. PM me if anyone can make something happen. |
| I first have to call and see if she will give him up to rescue. That is not a sure thing. I'm sort of hoping that one of our St. Louis friends may know this "breeder". |
Oh, but she's not a "breeder," she's a "breader." 
And an uneducated one at that. |
| ...And a "small breader" at that! I have to figure out what to say to her to get her to give the sweetie boy up! If you guys have ideas, please let me know. |
| Hi Deb, I live a little further south than you, I'm in Peoria. I am willing to do some driving. Let me know if I can help. |
| Thanks Wendy! I'll see if I can put this together. That would be great! |
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| Okay I read the link, but I am confused...who is the breeder that she got him from? or did the breeder post this? Shouldn't the breeder take him back?!?!
There are several people in saint louis that maybe able to help as well. If I can I will let me know. |
| I think this is the breeder, and she kept this guy too long. Although, that's not what she's saying. I'm going to call and see if I can get more info. NEOESR will help me liberate him, if she is willing. I t hink I need all the help I can get. Cuz I really don't know what I'm doing! |
| It appears to be the breeder... that's why I updated the List about him. Just to fill in the details, this pup was also on Craigslist earlier but the ad was flagged because selling the dog there is prohibited. I had sent the ad to an Indiana rescue last week.
Quote: 4 month old, reg. old english sheep dog in need of a good home. I
cannot be with him like he deserves. I am asking a 375.00 adoption and rehomeing fee. All you can really do (aside from buying him) is offer to help if she can't sell him. Good luck to you Deborah. |
| Thanks, honey. Did you send this to Nita? I'm going to call now. Cross your fingers! |
| Yup, it was Nita I was hoping she might have someone impatient on her list of applicants and that they might be able to talk this individual down on price. It was before I found out he might be with a breeder. I fell in love with him too. In the picture that was on Craigslist, he looked so sad... like he needs some lovin' and fun. |
| I called them, and talked to the husband. They are NOT OES breeders. They "breed" Maltise and Boston Terriers. The husband said, his wife always wanted a sheepie, but the size of him, and the work involved is too much. I asked if they would consider giving him over to rescue. Nope. I talked with husband for a long, a very long time. He's a nice (save ignorant) guy. I left my phone number and asked him to have his wife call me if they change their mind, or even if she has questions about sheepies. Maybe if I can keep the lines of communication open, she will change her mind. To be honest, I wanted to adopt this boy. He really sounds like a nice baby. A long way to go to grow...but smart. He is not neglectied, just not cherished as a sheepie should be. I'm hoping they will change their minds. Pirate and Keira would love a brother. I'll let y'all know if I hear from the wife. Thanks... |
| I wonder why they advertise online that they're breeds of Maltese and OES?
Quote: 1. Byrds Pretty Pups Coffeen, IL... Dog Breeds: Maltese, Old English Sheepdog small breader with lots of one on one with parents and pups. All dogs and pupsare APR registered. Thanks for looking. Source: http://www.dogbreederdirectory.com/bree ... feen+IL/1/ Quote: To be honest, I wanted to adopt this boy.
Awww... I hope she'll call you back. He deserves a great home. |
| They don't. They are in the process of selling the sheepie, and a couple Maltese. They breed the Maltese and Boston Terriers, but bought the sheepie on a lark. Now he's too big and too much work for them to handle, since they have 7 other dogs there. She's freaked out about how much grooming he needs (d'uh!), so I tried to scare her husband, and warned him that in a month or two, the sheepdog would "blow" his puppy coat. I tried to make it sound as terrible as possible  Maybe she will still call me back. Who knows! |
| Wouldn't he be a wonderful "Christmas" present to Pirate and Kiera? Keep us posted--I'll help any way I can. |
Quote: She's freaked out about how much grooming he needs (d'uh!), so I tried to scare her husband, and warned him that in a month or two, the sheepdog would "blow" his puppy coat. I tried to make it sound as terrible as possible
 Good job! But what you've mentioned is 100% true.
It's amazing how much time is required to properly care for a sheepie compared to say a Boston Terrier which is basically a wash-n-wear breed (my sister has 3). This is a plus in some ways because it keeps more people from breeding them but a minus for those who purchase but are unprepared for all the time required to groom them properly. They are definitely NOT a lazy man's/woman's breed but they are SOOOO worth it. Please keep us posted! I really hope she reconsiders. |
| Well at least they are "turned off" on sheepdogs so they won't become breeding prospects.
I hope you can get him. |
Good luck, Deb. I hope they will reconsider and let you take him.  |
debcram wrote: They don't. They are in the process of selling the sheepie, and a couple Maltese. They breed the Maltese and Boston Terriers, but bought the sheepie on a lark. Now he's too big and too much work for them to handle, since they have 7 other dogs there.
She's freaked out about how much grooming he needs (d'uh!), so I tried to scare her husband, and warned him that in a month or two, the sheepdog would "blow" his puppy coat. I tried to make it sound as terrible as possible Maybe she will still call me back. Who knows! OMG, that's EXACTLY how I got Barney. The lady bred small dogs (can't remember, they're all the same to me ) and she had always wanted an OES so she bought him from a puppy store. When he got to be 4 months old, he was just too bog to be around her delicate little dogs and was too full of energy, etc. So she was asking $1500 for him! (I talked her down to $0  ) |
Quote: I talked her down to $0
Ooooh... good job! Put Barney's mom on the phone!! |
| What do you say? I asked them to give him to rescue, and they refused. How do you convince them? I gave them my cell phone number, and have been carrying it everywhere today, hoping it will ring. (I rarely use my cell phone). I didn't know if I should just offer them less, but I don't want them to have the satisfaction of "selling" him. (We even picked out a name  ) |
| I didn't really say anything in particular. I was out in California visiting my parents for a few days and my brother had a coworker who had a friend who had a friend with Barney. So I got the # and went out to see him. I said he was really cute and I would love to have him but since I'd have to fly him out to VA, there was no way I could afford to pay for him AND pay for a plane ticket. She had mentioned going down to $1000 or worse case $500.
So we left and I got a phone call a little while later saying okay, free. I guess she was just really tired of him (and let me tell you--I was tired of him too for the first few weeks!). Maybe just try keeping in close contact with them, like call every day and just ask if the dog has found a home yet. Maybe they'll get so tired of you calling they'll just give it to you! |
| I love the way you think! |
debcram wrote: What do you say? I asked them to give him to rescue, and they refused. How do you convince them?
I gave them my cell phone number, and have been carrying it everywhere today, hoping it will ring. (I rarely use my cell phone). I didn't know if I should just offer them less, but I don't want them to have the satisfaction of "selling" him. (We even picked out a name )At least you can take solace in the fact that you aren't buying from someone who is going to out and breed more and more OES. It would be much better for the money to go to rescue but, at the same time, if a rescue takes him, they'll have to pay to have vetted and neutered and, by that time, they barely break even on their costs and time. If you look at it that way, just taking him and taking care of it yourself would save the effort of the rescue. At the same time, I'd still keep calling until they get so sick of you, they'll take a lower price. Maybe just offer them what would be on par with an adoption fee to a rescue and you know that you'll still be giving him a great home. |
| What she said!!!!^^^^^^^^Really, its not at all like you are supporting a BYB of sheepdogs....I doubt these people will look at this as a monetary gain, since they are just getting back some of their investment.
Go for it!  |
| OMG, that's EXACTLY how I got Barney. The lady bred small dogs (can't remember, they're all the same to me ) and she had always wanted an OES so she bought him from a puppy store. When he got to be 4 months old, he was just too bog to be around her delicate little dogs and was too full of energy, etc. So she was asking $1500 for him! (I talked her down to $0 )[/quote]
I got my sister's sheepie that way too - the woman had 2 little yappers - and decided to get this sheepdog from Bardstown KY - she was neglected from day one by being left out in the backyard without human contact to face the elements. She wasn't groomed, wasn't spayed, and just a big mess. I gave the owner $150 to take her off her hands and 7 years later this dog has the best family and the family has the best dog. From the minute she came to the house, she velcroed herself to me, all she wanted was a little attention and love. She is the sweetest and smartest sheep I've ever known - except for Patch of course. |
| I called back last night. I spoke to the wife. At first she was really snippy, but as we talked she warmed up. I think she felt threatened. She will not give this dog away, even though they have reduced his price on petfinders. She insists he's healthy, but it doesn't sound like it to me. He's six month old, and only weights 30 pounds (male). Thats too thin. She got him from a puppy mill in Lemont (I think), Mo. She described the horrible conditions there. My heart was breaking. She's decided as long as she has him, she will keep him in the yard with the Aussie. She said his fur will keep him warm. They are going to get the dogs a dog house. (Get this)....their friend builds doll houses, so she will have him build a big one for the two dogs. She insists she really likes him, and that he is very smart. But...she's throwing him in yard and selling him. I'm confused. Oh, and his name is Buckshot. Is that not that worst name for a sheepie? So...once again I had her take my number, but she refused to give him to us. Heartbreaking. |
| Good luck , maybe you are wearing them down. |
| "BuckShot" is still listed on puppyfid.com for $275. He is pretty scruffy. I can't believe he would be that hard to groom. His hair is so thin looking. I hope this guy gets a nice loving home soon. |
| Well...you'd think if they reduced the price and they "care" so much for him, they'd be grateful to have a good home for him instead of $275. He's too thin, and his fur doesn't look healthy to me either. |
| Maybe you can offer $100 or so? I don't think you're going to get this boy for free, especially since she's a breeder. |
| Tony has convinced me, this is just not meant to be. So, I've pretty much accepted that. Sometimes things just aren't, you know. |
| oh this is so sad he is only 30 pounds poor guy what are they thinking!! |
6Girls wrote: I wonder why they advertise online that they're breeds of Maltese and OES? Quote: 1. Byrds Pretty Pups Coffeen, IL... Dog Breeds: Maltese, Old English Sheepdog small breader with lots of one on one with parents and pups. All dogs and pupsare APR registered. Thanks for looking. Source: http://www.dogbreederdirectory.com/bree ... feen+IL/1/ Quote: To be honest, I wanted to adopt this boy. Awww... I hope she'll call you back. He deserves a great home. I just recieved an email from this breeder saying that "people on your site are bad mouthing me and my business with all lies and something needs to be done about it!!" So I googled Byrds Pretty Pups and found in Google's cache: Quote: Boxer Puppies for Sale: Hulk
Byrds Pretty Pups. Member Since: October 7th, 2007. Location: Coffeen, IL, United States So I guess that's Maltese, OES and Boxers. Cool ! I have emailed her back and asked her what she finds to be a lie or offensive. |
| Its interesting that she is contacting you now. This conversation took place almost a year ago!!!! Has she been asleep???? |
| Oh my...I, too received an email for the owner...here is my reply and her email. I really wonder why this came up so long after the fact:
--- On Sat, 11/22/08, byrd_sara@yahoo.com <byrd_sara@yahoo.com> wrote: From: byrd_sara@yahoo.com <byrd_sara@yahoo.com> Subject: buckshot To: debcram@yahoo.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 2:22 PM Hello debcram, The following is an email sent to you by "sarabyrd" via your account on forum.oes.org. The message sent to you follows: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well i am glad to see that you are having fun with my situation. It is pretty sad that you have no life and have nothing better to do then badmouth me on the internet. I really dont think that i need your approval on his name, and if you dont like it, i really dont care!!!! Just so you are aware, i have an Attorney working on a case against you for slander!!! My husband is not ignorant, and neither am I!!!!! What i do in my home is none of your business!!!!!! We did not want him to go to a rescue, we wanted him in a loving home, and that is what he got!!!!!!! YOU have no right to judge me, especially when you have no idea what you are talking about!!!!!! My other dogs are none of your concern either. I never said in my listing that i was an oes breeder, that must of been something you added to make yourself look better. I also do not need to explain how i got him, what was wrong with him when i got him, or anything else. I expect you to fix this!!! I am an adult and will not post nasty things about you, but i will take action!!!! My dogs are in my house and everything that i write is true, I dont have to lie to make myself look like the better person. I owe you no explanation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once again I will say, I hope that you fix this, i dont want it to get any uglier!!!!! YOU DON"T KNOW ME, so butt out of things you have no idea what you are talking about!!!!! My reply: That whole conversation took place a wee bit less than a year ago. I have moved on. I never bad mouthed you, I was hoping to help you place Buckshot in a good home. I am glad you found one for him. I work with rescue and was worried about him, and you. I'm glad it all turned out well. Happy thanksgiving to you and your family...and a good new year to follow. Sincerely,Deborah |
debcram wrote: Sara Byrd wrote: Well then, sarabyrd can't be a member here anymore."i have an Attorney working on a case against you for slander!!!" |
| Professor Michael Wooster would have a field day with that reply, lol! |
ButtersStotch wrote: Professor Michael Wooster would have a field day with that reply, lol!
? I don't know who that is. |
debcram wrote: ButtersStotch wrote: Professor Michael Wooster would have a field day with that reply, lol! ? I don't know who that is. The grammar guy. http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=22 ... c&start=30 |
Quote: I never said in my listing that i was an oes breeder, that must of been
something you added to make yourself look better. There's still a cached page on the Internet. Visit the link below. Scroll down to the very bottom of the page and see exactly which two breeds are indicated in the cached ad from Puppyfind.com which was dated December 8th, 2007. No one here made up this information... it's what the breeder or whoever controlled the breeder's PuppyFind.com account advertised to the public. http://web.archive.org/web/200712022259 ... ders/IL/3/ Steps to locate this cached ad- 1. Go to http://www.archive.org/index.php 2. Search www.dogbreederdirectory.com 3. Click on Dec 08, 2007 4. Click on Illinois. 5. Go to page 3- the very bottom of the page. |
| I think the confusion may be over the fact that she's a breader, not a breeder. I think that's something different. Something to do with baking or something.
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| I just signed on, haven't been on in a while. GUESS WHAT1
This is the same woman and man, with the same story from about this time last year, that I got Huck from. Same phone number, same story about breeding and other dogs. Did not want to give to rescue, but any money they could get is what they want. This will be an on going sell process every year. Need / want money for Xmas |
| This whole conversation took place about a year ago! Do you still have Huck? How is he? Was he thin when you got him? I wonder if "Huck" is "Buck"! Do you mind saying where you are located? |
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