Hair products on show dogs??
At what point did it become the normal for exibitors to use products and judges to look the other way? I have seen tons of dogs ringside there handlers with cans of hairspray in tow. A novice would never know that their breaking the rules because that rule is almost never enforced. If you were to take an OES w/o any products on it and put it up against others that do, what are the chances of that dog winning? I'm confused.... |
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gromingodess wrote: If you were to take an OES w/o any products on it and put it up against others that do, what are the chances of that dog winning?
I'm confused.... I'm grooming impaired <shut up, Sunny  >, but I think in OES the need to put "whatever" in the coat may have something to do with the quality - or lack thereof - of the coat. Mad Dog's coat was hideous as a puppy. After I finished her and shaved her down it grew in better, but it is by no means a great coat. Everyone who helped me put her up insisted on putting lord only knows what in it. Her daughter, Mace, has better coat. I put nothing in it and picked up a 4 pt major anyway her first weekend out (answer: guess you can win). I've put nothing in it and lost - big time - anyway. I don't think it was the coat, or the lack of foreign substances in it
Funny <?> coat-related story in regards to Mad Dog. She was my first show dog - Belle came with an AM/CAN CH. I insisted on showing her myself despite her breeder's firm belief in my incompetence and ringside reminders of same. I finally got so fed up that I entered her at a cluster 800 some miles away (OK, so I was visiting family anyway). I had entered her three days and we won three days (by no means typical for us), and picked up her (and therefor my) first major. I figured I should get a picture for the occasion. But when you come in out of nowhere and take the points every day you're really not a big hit locally, so I had no one to help me. Picture arrives in the mail. Talk about flat!! I can't begin to describe how hideous she looked. Put the picture back in the envelope it came in and there it still sits. You couldn't pay me to show it to her breeder who even today would have a heart attack if she found out that one of her dogs was out there looking like that... We must have looked better in motion. Or something
Take it for what it's worth. If not for Sunny [LucaAli], my dogs would all look hideous enough to frighten young children when it comes to show grooming. And she can do it without foreign substances. Maybe it's witchcraft? Kristine |
| If an oes has a good correct harsh texture to their coats and a dense wooly undercoat then there should be no reasons for products in the coat in the showring.
I do use some sparingly just on the head coat to keep it out of the eyes, but we do get judges here and internationally that will not allow it at all. If they smell it or feel for it then their not happy and will tell you that. So in those cases we are flying blind with hair flopped over the eyes, does not worry my dog, she is happy seeing and happy if she can't, she just follows me regardless. In places in Europe absolutely no products in the coat allowed what-so-ever, if they do then instant disqualification from the showring, they are allowed to us a hair clip or tie the hair back from the eyes so they can see while gaiting around the ring. 
It all boils down to correct coat, if your oes has that then really no need to fill the coat with hair products.
Show trimming and sometimes stripping out neck coat to give them shape is all that is needed. |
gromingodess wrote: If you were to take an OES w/o any products on it and put it up against others that do, what are the chances of that dog winning?
I'm confused.... Join the club. It IS confusing! Most people that I've shown with are like your poodle friends: it's all about the judge and what their opinion of grooming products is. Dogs have been excused by certain judges for using hair goop. If you look at photos of OES in the early days of showing, the most famous dogs were what we'd consider today to be rather scraggly looking. They were bred to a structural standard to perform their work, not to win beauty contests. That heavy coat can hide a lot of flaws. The more pouf you have the better visual flaws are covered. The more hair gunk, the more pouf. Prettier is better... or is it? Nelson actually won his first point in a dirt-floored ring. Like Mad Dog, we had our photo taken and not only was his hair flat, he had red dirt up to his knees. But he moved fabulously that day  He wasn't totally product-free and I don't know that this was a judge that discouraged the use of product. She just looked beyond it. |
| Hi Lisa, I like your opinion towards coat although I disagree with the part about Europe, unfortunately it is the other way about, I travel all through Europe with Misty and you would be shocked what you see, it like a hairdressing salon at most shows. Hi Groomingodess, As Lisa said it depends on the coat if it is harsh and has enough undercoat then you should need no sprays at all. Hugs from Misty & Hamish.  |
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