OES/Poodle mixes
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| This is not the first time I've noticed a large batch of OES puppies from this location.
The information on contacting them reminds me of the woman I contacted three years ago about an OES for sale. Similar contact directions. The story I received was that a friend had a pair intended for breeding, but circumstances forced him to leave the dogs with her to sell. Something bothered me about the situation and I did not contact them again. Again, I am not positive this is the same person, but it was in the Weatherford area. |
| they are soo cute good mix |
| I have had three phone calls in the last month from people inquiring on where they could purchase an Old English/Standard poodle cross. Apparently here in Ontario these are the new poodle cross craze. Sad. |
| What a pointless breed!! Seriously!
OES have hair just like Poodles do. So breeding to create a non shedding breed like the Labradoodle is pointless. OES are already non-shedding.  |
| Oh they may be pointless but he is adorable |
| Thanks Elissa I was wondering about the shedding, so this saves me a search. We hadn't seen Ralph shed much, so now we know! |
Pepsi's Mommy wrote: What a pointless breed!! Seriously!
OES have hair just like Poodles do. So breeding to create a non shedding breed like the Labradoodle is pointless. OES are already non-shedding. True ....but you don't have the personality/brains of poodle mixed in. I would love to take this dog if we were looking. |
This came up saturday at a dog event. I was talking to a poodle owner (8 mixes and purebreds) and her theory is that men don't want to walk a poodle, but mix it with something and its okay  .
Just because I can't help myself, I have to ask, is that what it is - or is it what has always happened with dogs? Are people breeding new breeds to do a new job? This job being fitting in to the lifestyle we have now? I don't know what my opinion of this is - just wanted to start a conversation. |
kerry wrote: Just because I can't help myself, I have to ask, is that what it is - or is it what has always happened with dogs? Are people breeding new breeds to do a new job? This job being fitting in to the lifestyle we have now? I don't know what my opinion of this is - just wanted to start a conversation.
No, people are creating "designer breeds" because they see it as a cash cow. When you have people paying upwards to $3,000 for a mutt, it can be tempting to the people who really don't want to work for a living. |
| They are cute. I don't really see a problem if someone wants one. Maybe it cuts down on health conecrns? I don't know really know all the issues with poodles. Are they the same as OES? I have heard that blending breeds like that can give you the best of both worlds.
That being said it does raise a few issues. Their coats are similar but mixing with a curly poodle with long legs could produce dogs that are the opposite of what the breed standard is. Not that this would matter because it would no longer be a purebred. On a side note, I know that all breeding dogs should be registered with the AKC, but how far back do purebred lines go? just wondering... Is there anyway that off breeds can get into the OES lines today? I mean if you have 5 generations of OES and the first generations father was not a purebred.....I would think this was not possible today with AKC registration, I am unsure though. Just thought I would ask. There was a point when these dogs were bred from other breeds to get what we see today, I seem to remember something about the 1800s being when the first dogs where seen that had todays look (there are paintings older than that, that have dogs that look like they could be early OESs) |
infoseeker wrote: They are cute. I don't really see a problem if someone wants one. Maybe it cuts down on health conecrns? I don't know really know all the issues with poodles. Are they the same as OES? I have heard that blending breeds like that can give you the best of both worlds.
Or the worst. The best of both worlds is a marketing ploy. It's like anything else genetically speaking, the luck of the draw. OES have lots of health concerns, Poodles have lots of health concerns. Now you potentially have a mix with lots of health concerns, depending on the health of the parents and, to some extent, which health concerns they share (CHD and PRA come to mind, there are others). You could make an argument for producing healthier dogs by judiciously opening up the gene pool some, I should think. But it would have to be done carefully. And I don't see that happening with most of these doodle breeders. I grew up with poodles. I love them. If I wanted another one, and I occasionally do, I'd get a real poodle for the personality and brains. My OES have personality and brains, they don't need a boost from the poodle population. I like them just fine the way they are too  On a side note, I know that all breeding dogs should be registered with the AKC, but how far back do purebred lines go? just wondering... Is there anyway that off breeds can get into the OES lines today? I mean if you have 5 generations of OES and the first generations father was not a purebred.....I would think this was not possible today with AKC registration, I am unsure though. Just thought I would ask Looking at my pedigree database, I can trace the goat dog, Sybil, back 45 generations. I don't have a birthday for any of the dogs in that generation. In generation 44, we have a Sir Cavendish born 5/29/1887...Kind of blows my theory that she is part goat. Oh, but wait, that doesn't mean I have a full pedigree on her that far back (I think I only have ten full generations with not a single dog missing, always working my way back). On the other hand, if a goat slipped in there somehow after the studbook was closed, then that means someone was doing something unethical. Translation: no, you'd better not be able to go back five generations and find, say, a springer spaniel in your dog's AKC (or foreign registry) pedigree or there was some real funny business going on...  And, no, Ms Old English Goatdog isn't special - all of your dogs could almost certainly be traced back to the same foundation dogs as well. I couldn't do it; my database is pretty small and narrow in focus still There was a point when these dogs were bred from other breeds to get what we see today, I seem to remember something about the 1800s being when the first dogs where seen that had todays look (there are paintings older than that, that have dogs that look like they could be early OESs) Yes, I'm sure with their glorious start as a farm dawg, farmers had some crosses - some intentional, some perhaps not - and probably just starting selecting for working ability. And that doesn't mean that they were necessarily crossing say, an OES with a Gordon Setter to gain <???> But your neighbor has this mutt that works well and you have this mutt that works well, and they produce puppies and some of them work well, and you select based on that - for working ability. Eventually, the shaggy look must have taken on some consistency in that area of the country amongs farm dawgs. Someone probably saw it, got some of them, decided on a standard, and, voila, a breed is born and we start selecting for a specific look that becomes more uniform with time, with some changes along the way (the original OES was almost certainly smaller than some of the dogs we see now...and without all that undercoat, I would think. Not real useful in a working dog after a certain point). Mostly theory, will a little bit of historical knowledge thrown in 
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| Where are you getting your information on your dogs generations? That would be cool to check on Chewy, I think I have his info for at least 4 generations (have not checked it in a long time)
Anyway yes I know if something like that was done it would be from someone unethical. I just did not know if it worked in a similar manner to human genealogy ie if so many generations of people in your family were full blooded Irish you would be considered Irish even if you had some english blood in you. Quote: (the original OES was almost certainly smaller than some of the dogs we see now...and without all that undercoat, I would think. Not real useful in a working dog after a certain point)
I have actually heard the opposite of this, they think they may have been huge due to the fact they where used to protect the flocks from everything from wolves to bears. The breed that some say may have played a roll was an ancestor of the Scottish Bearded Collie or the Russian Owtchar, I can imagine that when the coat was left to itself and got all matted it made a very nice protective layer against animal attacks. Who knows there are a million theories out there and one is no more valid than the other, I love trying to put them all together to get a picture of our breed. Anyway while different sources claim different things regarding the breed one thing is for sure, it is surrounded in mystery and they are an awesome breed of dogs. |
| Lordy...a Sheepiedoodle...stubborn and smart....That dog would be so smart it would probably steal your car....and not give it back! |
| Oh Memphis Blue Thank You I needed a laugh!!! |
| I think the cross is sad. Memphis blue very funny! If the OES were any smarter they would know to steal a corvette or hummer and not chevette(spelling). |
| [I moved the pedigree discussion to its own topic under Getting a Puppy] |
shon wrote: I think the cross is sad. Memphis blue very funny! If the OES were any smarter they would know to steal a corvette or hummer and not chevette(spelling).
Thank you! I'll be here all week with two shows on Sunday. Enjoy the veal and drive safely! |
I would adopt that dog in a heart beat,
email sent |
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