Defending or crying 'Shame on You' for Graybearoes.com
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| As sad as this story is, its dog crap. The breeder is doing as much as she possibly can to compensate for what happend to the dog. Give her a freaking break. The breeder is an amazing lady and the dogs that My family, and our friends have recieved from her have all been in great health. Sure, she probably should have done a couple of things differently but it gives you people, who obviously have NO life, any right to jump the "shut down greybearsoes.com" band wagon. Get over yourselves. The family that started this whole band wagon should really be ashamed. This is your drama, your problem, quit making it so public. What if you were the breeder? Would you like your problems being posted public? I think not. This family should be civil and work with the breeder. Do you even realize what you could possibly do her and her family? If you continue to push this as far as your pushing it, she could lose her dogs for no reason. She paid you back already, what more do you want? You're being greedy and freaking selfish. Grow up. This is nothing but an unfortuante situation blown out of porportion and for that I only wish you the worse. Its people like you that dont deserve the love and the compassion that OES have to offer. I hope you can live with yourself after what you've done. You're Pathetic. |
So... what on earth compelled you folks (within a couple of minutes of one another  ) To dig up this old buried thread about a breeder you like so much, so that this damning story about her could be aired all over again?
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| Any breeder that knowingly sells a puppy with parvo should be shut down. These puppies may suffer lifelong for this breeders "accidental" breeding, a very handy and old excuse. Anyone who sells dogs on Puppyfind has already made their business public and shouldn't cry foul when things go wrong and people complain.
Have these people been compensated for vet bills? I would guess NOT. And to Sad Sad Women: this is way beyond unfortunate, greedy, selfish, etc. Has this wonderful breeder done anything to prevent parvo in her next "accidental" breeding? Or will this cycle continue until she is forced to quit having litters because all her puppies die of parvo? bdx4 |
| This was brought up by myself and my friend because we were looking for the breeders web site, which we do on a monthly basis and had to search, which led us to this forum. These were not accidental breedings and that puppy did not have parvo. You Band Wagon people will be glad to hear that the breeder no longer breeds and she lost all her family pets. Hope your happy now. Live with what you did. |
Quote: ...she may lose the dogs she calls her pets. If they are taken away from her, they will most likely be killed (humanly of course ha ha) Think about that. You probably killed them.
Is she just closing down or are these dogs being TAKEN away??? Are you saying Animal Control, the Humane Society or some other legal entity is involved because of some infraction? Please have her contact me and I'll attempt to get ALL of her Old English Sheepdogs into OES rescue. If I hear that dogs have died and I have not been contacted, it will be VERY clear to everyone who's to blame. And JUST FOR THE RECORD... My husband called Julie earlier this year when it was said her puppies were dying of parvo and asked if she needed help with vet care. WE were going to pay a vet to go out to her place and treat the pups if she needed help. She was very cordial but indicated there was nothing wrong with any of her puppies. We tried to help her dogs but help was refused. By the way... another person on this message board posted they purchased a pup from the same litter as Elliott but that pup DIED of parvo. Read the threads- http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=12316 http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=12 ... sc&start=0 |
Topmommy wrote: This was brought up by myself and my friend because we were looking for the breeders web site, which we do on a monthly basis and had to search, which led us to this forum. These were not accidental breedings and that puppy did not have parvo. You Band Wagon people will be glad to hear that the breeder no longer breeds and she lost all her family pets. Hope your happy now. Live with what you did.
Interesting that you are so defensive yet unwilling to register and identify yourself. It is very easy to post under the cloak of annonymity. |
Quote: Shame on you all. Because of all the trouble you are causing the breeder, she may lose the dogs she calls her pets. If they are taken away from her, they will most likely be killed (humanly of course ha ha) Think about that. You probably killed them.
Sorry, but I had to laugh reading this. If it wasn't for this forum, people wouldn't become aware of some bad breeders and their practices. She wouldn't be shut down, wouldn't lose her dogs unless it's proven that she is guilty. If she is guilty of neglecting or anything involving dogs...........she SHOULD have her dogs taken away. I'd consider that a good thing if that's what was decided. All of these recent posts make no sense to me. No one but HERSELF would be to blame. With all the complaining in the world, there would have to be ENOUGH proof to cause damage. ....not verbal hearsay on the net. thank goodness for public outlets. Also, you don't hear of the police searching the internet for random posts about a certain breeder looking to bust a bad breeder. The investigation would have had to start from someone actually reporting her .......and maybe others. So blaming these posts is silly.  |
Umm, it wasn't just one dog, it was two dogs, from the same litter, Abby and Elliott. Both of the owners of the dogs spent thousands of dollars to save their pets. Sadly, Abby didn't make it. 
Coincidence? I don't think so. They both contracted parvo while still with the breeder. |
Topmommy wrote: This was brought up by myself and my friend because we were looking for the breeders web site, which we do on a monthly basis and had to search, which led us to this forum. These were not accidental breedings and that puppy did not have parvo. You Band Wagon people will be glad to hear that the breeder no longer breeds and she lost all her family pets. Hope your happy now. Live with what you did.
If the conditions in this womans home were SO BAD that all her animals (including family pets) were taken away...then yeah....I think I can live with that. |
Topmommy wrote: This was brought up by myself and my friend because we were looking for the breeders web site, which we do on a monthly basis and had to search, which led us to this forum. These were not accidental breedings and that puppy did not have parvo. You Band Wagon people will be glad to hear that the breeder no longer breeds and she lost all her family pets. Hope your happy now. Live with what you did.
I hope the breeder can live with what SHE did  Elliot and Abby went through hell and so did their owners, and at a huge emotional and financial toll. It's also very odd that if you are thrilled with this breeder you would have to search for her website. If she really did lose her dogs there is more to this story than a few posts on this forum, unless of course they all died of parvo. I certainly feel bad for the dogs but not at all for the breeder.
bdx4 |
Topmommy wrote: Shame on you all. Because of all the trouble you are causing the breeder, she may lose the dogs she calls her pets. If they are taken away from her, they will most likely be killed (humanly of course ha ha) Think about that. You probably killed them. Quote: You Band Wagon people will be glad to hear that the breeder no longer breeds and she lost all her family pets.
So, between Tuesday and Wednesday she went from 'may lose her pets' to 'she lost all her family pets'... |
Quote: Because of all the trouble you are causing the breeder, she may lose the dogs she calls her pets. If they are taken away from her, they will most likely be killed (humanly of course ha ha) Think about that. You probably killed them. Quote: You Band Wagon people will be glad to hear that the breeder no longer breeds and she lost all her family pets.
I spoke with Mesa Animal Control this morning to find out what I could do to get Julie Gray's Old English Sheepdogs into rescue. I was told that Mesa Animal Control never "took" her dogs and they weren't aware of the situation you've shared here. I later emailed Diane Brady the link to this thread so she can see for herself what's being said and why I was concerned. I also wrote to the Arizona OES rescue contact person. So you need to provide details about what the heck you're talking about. I sincerely care about what happens to Julie Gray's 8, 10, 12 or whatever number of Old English Sheepdogs she has or had. But I don't have time to waste on foolishness or misleading or incomplete statements so post exactly what happened to Julie Gray's dogs including the number still in her care, who "took" them, when they were taken, etc. I'm willing to see if someone will help. |
| Why would she accept any help for any of you? You can't fix what you have done and can't return the dogs to the breeder anyway. Its over....... |
Topmommy wrote: Why would she accept any help for any of you? You can't fix what you have done and can't return the dogs to the breeder anyway. Its over.......
Stop it already. If Jaci said she called (and I know she did) and the dogs aren't there, then where are they? This all sounds like a bunch of lies and sour grapes. |
Topmommy wrote: Why would she accept any help for any of you? You can't fix what you have done and can't return the dogs to the breeder anyway. Its over.......
Over for HER maybe....but what help is being offered is for the DOGS. Do you...or her...care about the dogs? 
Jaci is making a very kind, generous offer to help. If you care at ALL about the real victims in this situation you would accept that help. The way you are responding to this suggests (to ME, at least...and PLEASE remember that this is a PUBLIC FORUM....each of us who posts is an INDIVIDUAL....not a group or organization) that this is all a bunch of hot air. |
| SHE DOES NOT DESERVE THEM IF THEY WERE TAKEN AWAY. There is no if, but, or ands... "if" what you are saying is true.
...and WE PEOPLE didn't do anything and if there was "a person or two or even three" that reported her, it wasn't reported by making it public online. It was from actually going to the correct authorities, which is done in person or on the phone. I think you're confused about the very thing you're complaining about.
People are offering their help to ensure the dogs get good homes "if" there was help needed b/c they were in pounds. So when you say what could someone do to help.... that's what people here do b/c they care about dogs. |
| Topmommy, maybe I'm missing something here. I am quite new to the forum, but it seems to me that this died down a while ago. The breeder came on this forum, addressed the issues and in the end, it seemed that people felt that while she had made some very large mistakes, she seemed to be trying to make things right and it ended there.
She agreed that the two puppies had parvo in earlier threads, so I'm not really sure what you were getting at there. There was no one disputing this fact until your posts. If there was nothing wrong with the way she was breeding and raising her dogs, then why were they taken? You're just not making any sense. Please, unless you have something constructive to add to the discussion (like helping to find the dogs homes if they have in fact been taken) then don't come here and open old wounds. |
| Guys, this is one reason why we cannot stress enough:
BUY FROM AN OESCA BREEDER!!! We have codes of ethics we must adhere to. |
Quote: Why would she accept any help for any of you? You can't fix what you have done and can't return the dogs to the breeder anyway. Its over....... Ummm... maybe because she LOVES her dogs and wants them not to die as you indicated they will??? Or did you make that up? No one who loves their dogs would allow them to DIE if help is being offered... Quote: they will most likely be killed (humanly of course ha ha) Think about that. You probably killed them.
You still have not answered the question... WHO took Julie Gray's dogs from her and why? Diane Brady with Mesa Animal Control, who I spoke with at around 10am today, knows nothing about Julie Gray's dogs being "taken" from her as you publicly stated. It's the first she had heard of it. I asked if I should contact the Humane Society to see if they would know anything and was told no... that Animal Control would know IF this had indeed happened. I knew she was busy because they're short-staffed so I asked if I could email her with what you posted... which I did. Oh yeah... I'm more than willing to look like a fool to save dogs in trouble. It's one area where I have no shame. But I don't appreciate being jerked around about dogs dying when you won't or are unable to provide even simple facts. |
Ali wrote: Guys, this is one reason why we cannot stress enough:
BUY FROM AN OESCA BREEDER!!! We have codes of ethics we must adhere to. MMMmmmmmm.....interesting comment..... |
Quote: MMMmmmmmm.....interesting comment.....
whats so interesting about this? You can go to the OESCA website and read for yourself. |
| Does Julie know what you're telling the world about her and her dogs?
Are you certain she isn't simply SELLING her dogs???? This appeared back in late September... http://phoenix.backpage.com/buyselltrad ... for%20sale Cached page from Julie's website... http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:7Y ... cd=1&gl=us The telephone numbers match. Sorry... but unless I hear back from Animal Control or Julie herself that her dogs are in danger of dying, I won't believe another word. |
| Wouldn't it be nice if guest came in and posted with an ID rather then staying annonymous.
Just looks like guest is just trying to stir up all with a load of nonsense. I'm with Ali, people reading this thread be warned of what can and does happen with BYB breeders. I dead pup, one that recoverd just, with enormous financial & emotional cost to these new puppy people. Buy from and OESCA approved breeder for this very example of this entire thread. Jaci don't waste your breath on this guest anymore, there is obviously an underlying agenda with stirring up all this crap and guest is not wanting to give you any details so looks like there just here to flame incite. Looks like from that link she is selling them off, real love there isn't it for her dogs, just confirms to everyone the actual truth about this person. |
| My mother used to say "hang out in the gutter and you get dirty."
I find the comments of the anonymus, Jerry Springer type poster highly suspect, as I find their story. Rather than hang out in the gutter, I suggest that we allow this topic to die a quick death. |
| THANK YOU ButtersStotch. Guest if cant answer the question about what happened to the dogs, where they are then dont post. We really have no desire to talk to you. |
Topmommy wrote: Why would she accept any help for any of you? You can't fix what you have done and can't return the dogs to the breeder anyway. Its over.......
What WE did 
These are the type of threads that make me wish we didn't allow "guest" posting. Under the cloak of annonymity anyone can say anything. |
| this is like a soap opera, I keep checking in on this topic. |
ej wrote: this is like a soap opera, I keep checking in on this topic.
The Young and The Furry?  |
| giggle yaaaaa |
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