Found a rescue girl in Arkansas...but I am in So Cal.
(She is on petfinder and I can't figure out how to post this link.) If anyone has any ideas...let me know. Thanks [/url] |
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| Do you mean Katie? Keep me in mind, I may be able to help with part of Kansas depending on the route.
Ann |
| Yes...it is Katie. I am checking into it. |
| Katie looks and sounds like a sweetie. Good luck!
http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/dis ... id=9360016 |
Awww....she does look like a sweetheart! I hope you can work it out.  Paragould is in the NE corner of AK, just FYI.  |
| Thanks...we actually have property in Cherokee Village...so Arkansas isn't unfamiliar. My brother-in-law lives in Hardy.
My husband has offered to take next week off and drive out to pick her up. I need to send out the application via email...but it could all work. Katie was neglected and left to her own defenses and so burrowed under a house. She has scrapes on her neck from this, and is healing. I know she was very fearful at first, and some fear biting was mentioned. I am only a little worried about how she will be in my household. They think she is between 2-3 yrs old. I am guessing she wasn't always left alone...that this was a later development. I just wish I knew her history...sigh! |
Ohhhh....the poor darling. She's going to need a lot of TLC and healing time to trust people again. I hope it works out for you Wendy. You're just what she needs.  |
| I am hoping that it all works out and you are able to give Katie a second chance to see that not all humans are bad. Please keep us updated.
Marianne I have NEVER regretted my decision to get Panda as he's paid me back tenfold with his love and devotion. Hope Katie gets that chance. |
| I am just waiting to call them to go over her quirks, if any. My husband is willing to go and pick her up. I feel very strongly that she needs a loving home. The look in her eyes just makes me want to cry. |
Quote: The look in her eyes just makes me want to cry.
Wendy--- That is exactly what I said to my husband the first time I saw Pearl....So thin and matted...her head hanging, sad.... I hope it all works out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| OK. Just keep your paws crossed. They haven't done a heartworm test yet, they will do it today and let me know. Where I live we don't have fleas, ticks, or heartworm. I don't know what I will do if it comes up positive. I don't think I could survive losing another dog this year.
I know she would still need to be tested here, and in 6 months. I don't think I could stand that ordeal. If anyone has any experience with heartworm...let me know. I always prepare for the worst...it's easier that way. |
| wish you luck hope all turns out well she could use a good home |
| Good news!!!! Heartworm negative!!! We will be planning my husband's trip out to collect her. He will probably get her by Wednesday. Can't wait to have a 2 sheepie house!!! |
YAY!  I am so excited for you, Wendy! |
YAY!   That is the BEST news!!! |
Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!!!  
2 sheepie homes are the best homes !!!!
Antoinette |
Yay!!! I'm glad for the happy ending. We've only had Ralph 10 weeks and I'm ready for another!!! Convincing the cats however....... 
Safe trip home.  |
| I know...my cats aren't too thrilled with Nigel as it is. He has been here since July 18th. They don't like the chase and slobber game. lol |
| That's fantastic, Wendy! |
| Lucy, one of the cats, actually sort of likes the licking - Ralph loves to clean her little butt and she'll purr. She doesn't like the little pushes and barks to go where he wants her. We think Alice is figuring out the chase game.
But the good news, the cats are coming out and about more when Ralph is free in the house. If he's out for a walk or in his crate for the night they're all over us. |
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| Wendy, that's so great!! |
| This is so exciting! |
Congrat's  Now would you help talk my husband into a sister for Chauncey ( brother would be good too )........ |
| They sent me some before pictures from the rescue...but I hesitate to post them yet until I have some happy ending photos to post as well. They make me cry just thinking about them. I am so glad she will never look loke that again!! |
| Wendy,
As soon as you get her and start loving her up, she'll blossom into a beautiful, happy girl! Thank you for saving her |
| My husband left today on his way to pick Katie up. He plans on getting her Tuesday night. If he sends me pics...I will post them. I don't expect them home until next weekend.
Thanks for all the support guys!!! |
| YAY WENDY! Congratulations. |
| Can't wait for pics! |
| I just posted before and after pictures of Katie from the rescue. They are waiting approval. My husband is in Topeka now, and is leaving for Arkansas tomorrow. He should have her by tomorrow night.
I didn't wait to put the pictures here after approval because I didn't want to scare anyone who wasn't expecting it. They will make you cry to see how bad she looked. On the bright side, they tell me she is very sweet and happy. She is slapping with her paws and bouncing. Sounds great to me...can't wait to have her home!!! |
| Holy moly that is an incredible transformation. What a difference a bath and a shave make! You and your husband are incredible for rescuing that sweet girl. I am sure she will repay you with a lifetime of love and gratitude. |
Thanks for the warning.  Even knowing they'd be bad, I still had to bawl a little. 
What on earth happened with the back of her neck? That huge open sore looks so painful! She does look SOOOOO much better in the "after" pics.
Poor sweet girl....I can't wait to watch her blossom in a loving home!  |
| OMG!! Poor baby! I hope she's home with you really soon and can start experiencing the love from your family. She needs it!! |
| She had no shelter and was burrowing between some aluminum siding coming loose on the house. The siding was continually scraping the back of her neck. I am glad to tell you that the hair is growing back now...black, of course.
I cry even thinking about the first picture where she is all hunched over...that is why I didn't just slap it on there. |
| Oh my, those are really really bad pictures. Her poor bleeding back.
I hope all goes well with the trip home. Then you can start showing her how a sheepdog should be treated and live. |
| I just looked at her before pics...I am at a loss for words. I can't believe someone would treat that sweet sheepie girl like that. I am so glad she is going home with you. Hugs to all of you! |
| Just look at the body language in the before and after pictures. What a
transformation! Only a dog could endure that and go on to love life and humans again. THANK YOU for for making her part of your family. |
| That poor dog, I had to hold back the tears. Thanks so much for rescuing her- I can't wait to see how she progresses in your home |
| she will be home soon give her hugs from all of us!! |
| OMG, those pictures just make you want to hug her and love her and tell her she is safe now. Thank you to you and your hubby for rescuing her. |
| i dont have words...just thank you... |
| You've got a special husband too! There are actually transporters who move dogs across the country, sorry I just found this thread today. This is actually better as the dog has a "parent" with her for the long drive.
I'm so happy for all, dog and uprights! |
| I did email the trucker on the thread, and they said they were unable to do that anymore. I never would have asked my husband...I just told him about her. He said if I really wanted her he would go and get her. He has a lot of vacation time and needed a break from work. It was meant to be...and he is "very good" to me. I just wish my mother would figure that out after almost 18 years. lol.
Yeah! Katie will be in her forever home this weekend!!![/i][/u] |
| Wendy,
Those are horrible pictures ! The poor baby, I am so glad you found her! |
| She still has a wound on her neck but I already have a vet appointment for her on Monday. The latest she should be home is Sunday. My vet will get her fixed up!!! |
Wendy - no words to say what I feel - except THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!  |
| He has her. I just hope my brother in law can be persuaded to let her in the house. I told my husband to keep her in the crate at night there, but I think she should be out of it for a while. I told my husband that the crate had to be inside. I don't understand people who think dogs should be kept outside. |
wendy58 wrote: He has her.
Woo hoo!! |
| Yipee! Yay! |
SheepieBoss wrote: This is actually better as the dog has a "parent" with her for the long drive.
Nothing like a new dad and his rescue dog spending some quality bonding time together...Oh, the stories that will be told.. If your husband thinks that he is doing this for "you" and that this is "your" dog, he has got another thing coming...Those helpless, sad-looking females just bat their big brown eyes and those men just melt.... She has got a few days to work her magic on him... |
Quote: I did email the trucker on the thread, and they said they were unable to do that anymore
No, no, not truckers, but rescue drivers who drive rescues across the country in small sections. Each driver drives anywhere from 50 to whatever they want, meet the next driver and so on. Granted with gas prices even this option may have dried up a bit. Not doing rescue anymore I've lost contact with the "undergound railroad." |
| Wendy you and your husband deserve a huge round of applause for rescuing this girl. She deserves the home and love you both will give. Congrats and thank you. |
| I only wish all people felt the same way. They wouldn't let her in the house, so she is sleeping in the crate in the car. It was safer than being on the porch where other dogs run loose.
I told my husband I didn't want him staying there tomorrow night...even though they are expecting another storm. He can go part of the way and stay in a dog friendly hotel. Just need to get her home.  |
| Oh Wendy! I'm so happy your husband has her now. What a wonderful husband you have! Poor girl has been through so much trauma, it will be like heaven on earth to be in a loving home.
Thank you, so much, for what you're doing for her!! Sorry to hear your brother's family wouldn't allow her inside. At least you know she's safe and your husband will be giving her TLC and getting her home to you soon. |
| OK. So she is already trying to climb into his lap. He says he is bringing me a dog...lol. I told him she would be his by the time he got here. I have my shadow...Nigel.
He is traveling with his brother from Kansas on this leg of the trip. He apparantly is a bit under the weather...stomach bug. They are also under the weather with a storm coming through. If this had only happened a few weeks ago..sheesh! There is no rush, so he can be safe. I just want them home so she can learn to relax...and so I don't worry about them on the road. thanks for all the support guys...it really helps!!! |
| How many miles is your husband having to drive? I'm amazed at what a lengthy trek this is turning out to be!
Please forgive my geographical ignorance, but living up here, I tend to think of all you guys down in the lower 48 being very accessible to each other!  You know...what with everything being connected by roads, and all.
What a great guy he is to do this! I hope she turns out to be the (doggie) love of his life, like my girl Abby did for my hubby! |
| He has to drive through 6 states...my geography sucks too. He drove from Southern Ca., through Nevada, through Colorado, to Topeka, Kansas. From there he drove to Arkansas. My parents are in Las Vegas. His brothers are in Kansas and Arkansas. He will take a little more Southern route home and stop in New Mexico at my brothers.
He may drive home from there, or stop in Vegas again. Apparantly Katie is very sweet and he is having no trouble at all with her. I am afraid she will have to sleep in the car again tonight...there is a storm blowing through and they won't leave till the morning. My girls are mad at their favorite uncle now for making the new dog stay outside. They latest they will be home is Sunday...and I have a strong feeling in my heart that we did the right thing. I think she is going to be a wonderful memeber of our family. I can't wait to see them both. Not everyone's husband would drive so very far to pick up a rescue sheepie. He is a keeper!!! |
Oops!!! I forgot Utah too.  |
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After all the comments I couldn't look at the pictures but what a wonderful ending And you have a pretty great husband too
bdx4 |
| I usually can't read these threads- it just breaks my heart so to see and hear of such treatment ...
For whatever reason though, I was drawn to this post - and - after the shock of seeing the before pictures- I am happy that I read on. Wendy... from Sheepie lovers everywhere here are lots of hugs - and the biggest Thank you ever! 
and here's one for Hubby! |
| The before pics make me want to cry. That is sooo very sad. It's a good thing there are tender hearted people like you guys who will go to all this trouble to help....
I agree with everyone else.... THANK YOU  |
| I hope both made it through Kansas ok. We had horrid rain storms on Wednesday and part of Thursday (I live 50 miles S of Topeka). But the last 2 days have been very pleasant, so beautiful driving weather.
Best luck and hugs. Ann |
| i forgot to click back on this thread. She looks so happy now that she's been saved, cleaned up, and in a better place. Can't wait to see her even happier in your home. |
| He is in Colorado in Glenwood Springs for the night. He will try to be here by tomorrow night. He stayed in Arkansas all day Wednesday because of the weather. |
| Good thing they are on the western slope of Colorado tonight (friday). The mountains have got snow on Tuesday and Wednesday. Another big storm is hitting this weekend calling for at least a foot if not more. Can't wait to see pics. |
| Yeah! He had to stay in Glenwood springs on the way out too because of the snow. It snowed on Sunday, and that was the day he went to Colorado. He does know a lot about Colorado...his mom was born there and they had a lot of summers in Co. growing up. You are due for another storm to pass through on Sunday...and he is hoping to be here tomorrow night. I won't be able to take pictures until Sunday...hope Katie likes big puppies! |
| Ok. I posted 2 pictures that my husband sent me on the cell phone. They are all I have so far...but I didn't want anyone to go without pictures!!! |
| Katie looks so much better. I showed Todd the series of pictures. He was just sick too. Some people should NOT be allowed to have dogs. |
| So sweet looking on the bed. |
| KATIE IS HOME!!!OMG!!! She is as wild or wilder than Nigel!!! Obedience school right away. Nigel was scared of her at first...but then the play began. I am exhausted watching them. There was a tussle over the water bowl...she didn't want him drinking with her...we can fix...more water bowls.
She is a big puppy, really sweet, and really wild. They are hysterical to watch zooming around in the grass at 10:30 at night. I have been up stressing for a couple days...so it's me and Ambien in a minute. I will try to take some pics tomorrow...hope it's more than a blur. |
| WELCOME HOME KATIE!! YAY!! I am so happy she is home.
Sounds like she is having fun with Nigel. That is wonderful!!! Looking forward to seeing pics of the new siblings. Please give Katie a big hug and kiss from me. |
| YAY! Welcome home sweet Katie!
Oh boy....sounds like you're in for a fun time! |
| I am so happy to hear that your husband and pup have made it home safe and sound. After a good nights sleep you will be able to take on the work that goes with having to active dogs. You and your husband are angels for taking in this sweet sheepie girl. She has been through a lot the last couple of weeks and so will need to burn up some of that energy and Nigel is the guy to help with that. Best of luck to all of you and I will be looking forward to your updates. Your little sheepie girl is safe now, she is in your loving arms. Lucky dog! |
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I'm so happy for you! Panda arrived with the same water dish behavior... "I vont to drink aloooone." So we taught the rest of them (along with her reminders) to "wait" until she's finished drinking... she waits until they're done too. Looking forward to stories and pictures! |
| So glad Katie made it home safe and sound. Nigel is going to love having another sheepie to run around and play with.
Thanks again for taking on this sweetie! |
| Yay!! That sounds like a fantasticly successful first night. I remember when I got my high-energy Maggie that the first two weeks were completely exhausting but then I got used to it. It makes me so happy that sweet neglected Katie has a loving home and a fun little brother. I am so excited for you and can't wait to see pictures. |
| Wonderful news that everyone made it home safe and sound. Congrats on your new addition!
Your hubby is a keeper in my book! Laurie and Oscar |
| Aw, that's so sweet and I'm so glad your husband had a safe trip. Wonderful that she and Nigel are instant friends! (Wish we had that gig!) |
| I think Katie thinks the water is hers. she didn't want him drinking after she was done. Lots of leash time right now. She loves people, and loves to run and chase Nigel. She has airplane ears like Elissa's Panda.
We thought if we put out all the toys...she wouldn't be possive...wrong...she guards them all. I don't know how to deal with this one. Nigel needs toys everywhere...teething. CAn the guarding behavior be broken...That would be a big problem here. There has to be a way to break it...any suggestions?? |
| I would recommend keeping toys out of the picture until Katie feels more at home and secure. Perhaps Nigel could have his toys in a separate room or in his crate? |
wendy58 wrote: I think Katie thinks the water is hers. she didn't want him drinking after she was done. Lots of leash time right now. She loves people, and loves to run and chase Nigel. She has airplane ears like Elissa's Panda.
We thought if we put out all the toys...she wouldn't be possive...wrong...she guards them all. I don't know how to deal with this one. Nigel needs toys everywhere...teething. CAn the guarding behavior be broken...That would be a big problem here. There has to be a way to break it...any suggestions?? There was an excellent article in Whole Dog Journal last month about resource guarding. Even if you don't subscribe, I think it's available online for a small fee. There's also a book about it (that WDJ recommends, too) called Mine! by Jean Donaldson that you might find helpful. I haven't used it but I know others have with success. |
Wendy58 wrote: She has airplane ears like Elissa's Panda.
I believe you mean Rags, I don't have a Panda, but she looks like a Panda. I don't think Katie's ears are as bad as Rags. Katie's ears remind me more of Pepsi's when he is cut real short. Less weight and more ability to move them around. They will flatten more as her hair grows in. Katie's ears look totally adorable!
I understand your frustration with the water bowl and the toys. When Rags came in to our house, all the toy were destroyed or stolen by her. She also did the guarding of toys...etc Pepsi is still unable to have toys around her or treats.
I have to seperate them or Rags will steal his. 
Rags did the same thing with the water bowl. At first I gave her a seperate bowl and any time she would attempt to go to the other one I would correct her. She seemed to like the smaller bowl that Pepsi used. So we took up the second bowl. We kept her on a leash, anytime she would attempt to chase the other dogs away she would get a quick tug. If you check out my photo album there is a picture of Rags from last night, with Lacey in the background drinking out of the waterbowl. 
So we had success with that issue. I think a lot of it had to do with not getting enough water or food. She was very thin when I rescued her and I think she was worried if she didn't eat it all or drink it all that there wouldn't be anymore. I would use the same correction if she tries to take Nigel's toys. Though it may not work, as it didn't work for us.
Maybe you should get Katie some toys of her own. Again this may not work either.... but may be worth it to try. |
| I did get Katie a toy for the trip. We have always had a communal basket, and no problems. She will snap at him over her new people sometimes. I just put her in the crate fro a time out.
I will buy a few more toys to leave in her crate. I am also considering a muzzle for in the house. She is fine with him outside...I don't mind warning snaps...but I don't want her to hurt him. She could still make the angry noise, but no teeth. Quitting is not an option... |
| Just my two cents, but I don't think a muzzle is going to teach her the correct limits or help to make her feel safe and secure. I would keep her on a leashin the house and keep a careful eye for if she starts staring at him, then intervene before anything happens. Keep them separated when you cannot keep an eye on them. |
| I know...it was just a suggestion. It is easier if I just make a leash correction when she goes after him for no reason. |
| You have been given good advise. Violet, for whatever reason as she got older, started the guarding of her food bowl, which China never went into ever. We feed Violet in the kitchen and China in the livingroom. We used to give them bities, and I knew China loved them for her little puppy teeth. Everytime I would put them down Violet would scoop them up and then lay one out just far enough in front of her so that China saw it and she would not let her have it. China would lay on the floor just staring at this prize bitey she wanted. When I saw Violet doing that I picked it up and gave it to China and told Violet not to do that anymore. Eventually I just stopped buying them. They never had problems sharing the water bowl. I would suggest that you give Nigel his bitey or toys in a different area that Katie can't bother him in. That way he can chew and relax. Older sisters can be a pain, just ask China.
For a while Violet really had some food issues and I still haven't figured out why, but if there was a treat I would give China first then Violet and that seemed to break that habit. (China's treat was already gone before Violet was finished). I always have kept an eye on them, you know their body language when something might happen, but please don't reach down and get into the middle of it, you can get hurt. Having the lead on is a great idea. It takes a lot of time and patients. Good luck! |
| so happy for your new girl.. i think you need to give her time she has been through alot.. you are getting great advise.. i brought in my derby-rescue to my daytona who is 12years old . well he does get in her face she growls at him aLL the time and has never bit him.. they never got along since day one. but even though she hates him sometimes i will walk in the room and they are on the bed together.. so i think they will work it out.. good luck |
| I am starting private training with Katie on Tuesday. She is fine outside with Nigel, but has some serious dominance issues in the house. Feeding seperate and toys I was warned about...but she will also go after Nigel if he comes too close to any of "HER" people. I tried to give them each a treat opposite end of a big room. I must have done the wrong order because she had a mad fit. (note to me...don't do that again)
She is aggressive about the cats too. They didn't foster her so I wasn't aware of these things. I am trying to teach her to fit in, but she really should be in an only pet situation. I will call the rescue and tell them what is going on for now. I really wanted to make a difference, and I would like to think this is a newbie thing, but my gut feeling is that I won't be able to change this. However, I haven't given up yet, hence the training. I will try to post pics tomorrow...been a long day and I feel crummy. |
| Sounds like a Cesar Milan story, the Dog Whisperer. Your newbie needs to learn how to be a pack animal. It sounds crazy, but start by taking them on long walks together. Either a leash in each hand and eventually side by side. When you feed, stand there and monitor, quickly correcting problems. Realize your newbie just doesn't understand the rules, passing her on to rescue won't solve her problem, she'll still be an unsocial dog who will attack strangers. Monitor them always and be quick to correct even the "look" or "lean" before actual aggression begins. Staying on leash is fine. Keep her very well exercises. Less aggression in a tired dog. Backyard playing is fine, but you also need to be there as leader.
I understand the crummy feeling right now. Jack was a ball of hatred when he first got here, even biting me. But I stayed with it and now have a big teddybear. Dogs don't come perfectly molded, often they have warped or unlearned sections. You have the unique opportunity to turn her around as you ...and especially your husband...are the first true pack leaders she has had. She's still changable. |
| Much better today. I left her and Nigel in the dog run so I have a moment to myself. They have been playing in the house all morning. She was on the leash. Only bad words from her were corrections, though she is the rougher of the two.
She was drinking and Nigel approached her...I told him no, but she didn't react. I will wait a while on the toys and treats. I feel like there may be a light at the end of the tunnel. I am starting private training with her on Tuesday for 8 weeks. She loves people...that's the easy part. I will try to post pics today, I have a couple. Hanging in there... |
| Glad to hear the progress. Be careful about not over-correcting growls as she may learn to go straight to the bite if she concludes it is not ok to growl. Do try to intervene to reduce the tension before it escalates. It might help to keep Nigel on a leash too so you can direct him away from her when she is feeling sensitive or protective. The trainer should be able to read the situation and give you lots of good, practical tips. Hang in there! |
| This is a very tricky situation, and you are on the right track getting a profesional involved. However, if there is any suggestion of controlling, and punishing and corrections...I would ask for my money back and move on.
Val and Jill are bang on. Do NOT correct Katie . Either verbally or with a leash. Doing this will ony make it worse. It will appear to stop the reaction, but all it does is make you feel better. It makes her feel even more protective, and she will become unpredictable...which is much more dangerous. If Katie doesn't want Nigel near her water/toys etc. she is telling him to back off. If you correct her, then all she sees is that everytime Nigel is around her and her things, she gets in trouble..She better make sure that he stays away....and it will escalate from there. She needs to learn how to behave, not punished for behaving like a normal dog wood. Please get the book "Mine"...You will learn a lot. In the meantime, keep them separate a lot, and have all interactions between them be positive and fun. If you cannot trust her with treats etc. leave them out when the two are together. Walking together is a great idea. You are not alone. My Bosley doesn't like Dixie around his stuff, and she has learned to stay away. That doesn't bother me at all, and keeps peace in the household. We cannot put our values into dogs, becasue they are, afterall, dogs, and thing differently from us. This bevavior can be trained out of her, but it will not happen overnite, and you will need to get a program together for it. Myself, I just manage the situation. Many dogs experiencing any kind of food/toy or people guarding in a shelter are not considered adoptable...Please be careful. And sometimes the dog learns to be OK when a particualr dog is around, in your case Nigel, but is still reactive when other dogs are around. Let us know how this progresses, but do not get lulled into a false sense of security if a good day or two go by. This takes a long time to resolve permenantly. |
| How is Nigel doin with all this? It sounds like he is being a trooper about it!
Good luck with the training, it sounds like it will just take time for her to settle in and your diligence in training (which it sounds like you are committed to!) |
| OK. I know it was short lived, but I actually re-located her to a household without other pets. She went after Nigel so bad that it took both hand and all my strength to pull her off. This gal is head of a local rescue and has a good friend professional trainer who may keep her for a bit to get her issues sorted out.
I feel like a failure, except that the next home knows her issues and won't be suprised like I was. You think they get along fine outside and then all this happened inside. She almost got one of my cats today too. She is so sweet with people...I just don't have enough help in the day or time to manage this kind of training issue. If she was an only pet...she would be great. I just couldn't risk my boy or the kitties. |
| Wendy, I think you made the right decision. Better now than after you put lots of physical and emotional effort, and still not have it work out.
Enjoy your baby, Nigel. The right dog will come along when it is time, and in the meantime you have learned a lot from this experience. Hugs. |
| Wow, I agree it sounds like you did the right thing. Sorry things didn't work out as hoped I'm glad Nigel is okay. |
| Thanks guys. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your comments and support. The local OES rescue called me and asked where she was. I let them know if they want to get her from there they can work it out. Hope all goes perfect for her finally. |
| You made the right decision. The safety of your existing pets comes first.
I know how badly you wanted another dog. I am sorry Katie was not the right one. Like Nicole said, the right dog will come along.
I am sure Katie will find a new home quickly, she sounds like a wonderful dog...but she needs to be an only pet. |
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