BiLateral Perenial Rupture - Feedback please
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| Hi, Hez.
I haven't experienced what you're going through, though I do have a a five year old who was paralyzed late last year (she can walk now after intensive rehab, but retains neurological deficiencies - she suffered a spinal embolism) who is partially fecally incontinent. Like you, it's: Oh, well. I feed her green beans to keep it moving. She's fine unless she gets excited. Then it's a big rush to the door. About 1/2 the time I'm maybe fast enough 
Sorry I don't have any experiences closer than that. 
Kristine |
I've heard of perineal hernias and fisutlas, but not ruptures  I've also had older dogs unable to control their bowels, things just fall out.
We do the best we can, keeping paper towels, cleaning solutions, room deordorizers and plastic bags throughout the house for quick clean up. Right how everyone has control, so life is sweet smelling. Yes, keeping his stools soft and bulky will probably help keep the pockets or fistulas becoming inflammed. Liquid parafin is good, also cooked green beans, cooked yams/sweet potatoes, whatever they will eat. |
| Thank you to Sheepie Boss & Krisitne (Maddog),
Firstly, Kristine, thank you for the advice on the grenbeans,he will be pleased with any extra tasty morsels added to his food, I think Liquid Parafin is a bit gooey for him at times, so green beans will kepp him happy.Sorry to hear about the spinal embolism, hope she improves more each day for you, if thats possible. I spoke to the specialist today and she has explained that there is no further surgery to help mine, the pocket that fills with feasces is too big and he has no feeling left there anyway. I feel a little better as I know where I stand with the medical side. Poor ole love, he hasnt a clue, he just wags his tail (not docked), and we have to warn friends if they come around, to ring first so we are ready with the wipes and cleaning gear, ha ha. Anyway, just to say thanks for replying, I do feel that I am on my own and it is hard at times, but I love him so much and he is my family, I do whatever it takes to keep him happy and painfree. Thank you to Sheepieboss,cooked sweet potatoes, well i think he will be having much better tasting meals from now on, so that will be good. Thanks guys, and if anyone else out there knows of the condition, please let me know. Thanks Hez |
| Are we meaning perianal (around the anus), or is this yet another term I've never heard of? |
| Sorry, my spelling was poor I know, Yes you are correct - perianal (around the anus), he had both sides operated , the left and the right, unforatunately it is the lover one that fills up now and is unoperable. He did go to a specialist for the surgery, which was 2 and half years ago.
Hez |
| Known an OES older male dog that had it, just a lateral one, I've actually over the years heard of other older male OES dogs that have had it, so you are not on your own here with the condition. More common in older uncastrated males for this to occur. 8+ onwards seems to be the most common age group that it can happen too in any breed. Bitches can get it, but very rare, more a male problem.
She is away overseas at the moment, but I do remember she would give the dog "Metamucil" in his meals to help, it softened things up to help it pass easier and not build up and she was also shown by the vet how to assist him to pass a motion if he was straining and how to empty him out completely with out any remaining in the pocket if that was needed to be done.. When she is back I will ask her for more information for you if you want it, she managed the problem quite successfully for 5 years till he passed away with old age. Please register too for the forum (it's free) |
| Can anyone explain and not to sound dumb but is that a medical term for surgery to the anal glands?
Can wearing a diaper help? There is a site I fell upon, I think it was handicappedpets and it had alot of items for all kinds of dog problems. Sorry to hear about your troubles. But glad these two sheepies found you to love them all these years! Diane |
No ashley it is nothing to do with the Anal Glands it is a hernia condition. 
It is actually spelt here "Perineal" same thing in the anus region. |
 Thanks Lisaoes. I guess my suggestion of diapers is sort of dumb after thinking about it...I'll shut up now! |
lisaoes wrote: It is actually spelt here "Perineal" same thing in the anus region. oh wait.... ... is that also the term for the area between the anus and.... and.... another area where an episiotomy might be performed during childbirth? |
Just uploaded a dog diagram for you to see Ron, all the areas hernias/ruptures can occur and the names of the different areas.  |
| Another idea to make things pass easier, pumpkin. In July I moved and my dog just stopped, well, pooping. My vet suggested it as it helps to move things along. Just thought I'd add a little more variety to the mix! |
eiramnosila wrote: Another idea to make things pass easier, pumpkin. In July I moved and my dog just stopped, well, pooping. My vet suggested it as it helps to move things along. Just thought I'd add a little more variety to the mix!
Pumpkin is indeed fabulous - for so many things (important vitamins)! Just be aware that it tends to discolor the beard in a rather - hm -suggestive way.
However, if you don't mind that, it's the way to go. Just make sure you get the regular plain canned pumpkin - not the pie mix. Kristine |
| Yeah, come to think of it, my poor bichon's beard did turn a funny color, but it was worth it since solved the problem! |
| Ron, I'm the one who messed things up: it is peri-anal (perianal, one word) fistulas which are non-healing tracts caused by feces contaimated hair follicles and glands which oooze foul smelling pus. The fisutulas tunnnel from the skin into the lining of the rectum and anus.
These are different than anal glad abscesses. Peri-neal (perineal) hernia is when a sac lined with peritoneum (lining of the abdominal cavity) pushes out into the weakened area between the anus and it's surrounding muscles. It is thought continuing constipatin or diarrhea may to contribute to their formations. Dogs with perineal hernias may show pain when they try to defecate, accompanied by much straining. So now one wonders what is a Perineal rupture? Did it rupture inwards? |
| "So now one wonders what is a Perineal rupture?"
Hernias are classified according to their "anatomical position". The majority of these also involve ruptures. Confusion does arise by common useage, ruptures and hernias have been synonymous terms whereas they are not really. A "rupture" describes tearing or disruption of tissue. A "hernia" debscribes the abnormal protrusion of part of an organ or tissue through the structures normally containing it. So due to the location of the problem it is still classed as a "Perineal Hernia" but one that ruptured.
Diagram of dog showing location of the Perineal hernia. The lump just to the side and below the anus. 2nd diagram shows it better.  |
| Good Evening all,
Just a note to thank you all for your information and comments. I have read them all, and quite astounded to of seen the diagram, yes that looks correct as to what my dog has had done. I would of replied sooner and apologies for not doing so. The lady who is away overseas at the moment, that used to give hers "Metamucil" in his meals to help,she managed the problem quite successfully for 5 years till he passed away with old age, I would love to know how she coped, if she has any tips or suggestions. At present he is taking 3 teaspoons of liquid paraffin on a morning and 3 spoonfuls on and evening with his food though. and whatever happens, rain snow, sleet, thunder.lightening and so forth, he must go out for a run around and walk, as this assists in the moving of all the build up, he is exceptionally loose and this means it just comes out all the time. He is such a gorgeous boy though, never phazes him and what a character. The other one (the boss), she kind of looks at him in disgust when he leaves a mess, she avoids it and will walk around it, even if it is all over. We have started giving him Metacam for his joints too as he gets stiff back legs and hips if he has had a running session that tired him out. I just want to say thank you to you all, I never expected such kind replies, my two family dogs, are my family, If I can work out how to submit a photo for you, then I will. Unless anyone knows how and can tell me. Once again, thank you to you all, the pictures I will print off as they are the easiest way to explain what his condition is and what surgery he had. Thanks all. Hez |
| You would need to register as a member here to upload and link in a photo. If you don't really want to register, you could just upload a photo to flickr or photobucket or a place like that and give us a link to it, and I could copy it here. |
| I have registered tonight, and have downloaded 4 piccies of my two, just not sure where I loaded them too, if you do see them, then you know that Tino is the one who had the surgery. Thanks Hez |
| Hez now that your registered there is a PM for you in your messages box with some forwarded information. |
| Glad you joined us Hez! Tino is a very handsome boy. |
| Hi,
Both your dogs are gorgeous! Okay, I will ask the dumb question, "Can you use diapers?" |
| Good Afternoon all,
Thanks for message to Shelby,Corky& Fergus - Diapers would be no good, they would probably make him sore,especially as he has such a large tail. He already has a baboon bum - the hair folicals fell out with all the pushing last year - He now has no feeling and when his tail is up in the air, he shows off the baboon bum! I do have to say though, ,I looked at your oiccies and saw the one of your play area, are they Kennels? - Fantastic, never seen anything like those igloo kennels. Beaureguards mom, excellent. I have been looking at your piccies, your loved ones are so cute too, Bless them. I am at work and looking forward to getting home and looking ofrward to Maggie barking and barking at me to tell me off for being out, and Tino bringing me every cuddly teddy and toy he can find to say, throw the toy, throw the toy. My partner will of course be with them, but they still wait for me to come home from work. Thanks to everyone for their kindness and all the information that has been provided. It is very useful. I have fortunatley been able to find a friend that has a large supply of old cotton covers - which have already been boiled washed and cleaned, so that I can use them in the house to cover floors and furniture - then this mound of covers can also be thrown out, so when Tino is having a particularly bad week, I can just throw the covers and shampoo the carpets ect a lot easier - It is all about finding techniques to help us, and ways to make Tino comfy. Thanks Hez |
| Hi Hez, I have a 14 years old Rotti with the exact same problem and I am happy to say that diapers do help alot! You have to find the kind with adhesive strips as you want to keep it tight. You may have to experiment with a few kinds before you find the one that works. The diaper pants did not work for us as our dog is also very skinny and has hardly any hips, so the pull up diapers kept sliding off him. Our trick is to buy the doggy diapers and put them on "backwards" as these diaper are meant for bitches in heat and our doggy need his bum covered. if you dog has a tail you may not be able to dress the diaper backward - just put the diaper on normally- it has a hole for the tail with helps to anchor the diapers. Please go get them - it keep our house that much cleaner and it also helps with the smell good luck daniela n2change@gmail.com - if you have any questions |
Don't ask me what I'm doing looking this stuff up after putting in a 12hr shift at the hospital...  There is a canine support group for just this problem http://perianal-fistulas.tripod.com/MainIndex.html Hope it helps |
furry and four paws wrote: Don't ask me what I'm doing looking this stuff up after putting in a 12hr shift at the hospital... Love of the breed? ... |
| Thanks for the new updated message - Which was strange to read after all this time. Just wanted to say it was kind of you to suggest the support group and the information. My big lad passed away in November 2008 and then in October 2009 my bonnie girl passed away too. The condition our big lad had, was just something we dealt with on a day to day basis, and would of done it forever if needed to. We did have a new addition to the family who is quite the nutcase, and our big girl Mags taught him so much before she passed over. He of course is an OES nutter!!! Hxxxx |
| Hez lovely to hear from you, sorry for the losses of your beloved furrys and congrats on the new addition hoping it is filling a void for you all. Hugs Lisa |
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