Suddenly pees on carpet
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Quote: As of today she is an outside dog instead of an inside dog.
Has she been to the vet to rule out the possibility of a urinary tract infection, struvite crystals or stones? I think the first thing to rule out is a physical cause for this new behavior. You can often just drop off a sample at the vets for testing without having to make an appointment but you should call and check (a sterile container is usually required). Has she peed in the house when she was alone or do you observe her doing it? If it's separation anxiety, she simply can't help herself but through behavior modification she can overcome the problem. You might want to try to encourage more independence and some of the information at this address might help. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1502 I have an OES rescue that had housetraining issues due to struvite crystals and a bladder defect that was surgically corrected in February... she also had bad separation anxiety but has slowly overcome it. So I've been around the block a few times  I hope you can find the cause and get this problem corrected so she can rejoin her family. Best wishes to you! |
| She could have a bladder or urinary tract infection. Definitely take her or a sample to the vet. Always easier to fix a minor medical problem than a behavioral problem! |
Please don't banish her for something that is not her fault. 
I am fostering a 4 year old collie who we discovered "dribbled" a bit now and then, when sleeping, or relaxing . She was quickly diagnosed with canine incontenence, and now takes 2 pills a day, and remains dry. They are not expensive. It is not unusual for this to suddenly develope in a spayed female. Have her checked out by a vet, and this might be another possibility. |
Good point... I forget about incontinence as another possible cause. Gosh Lucky's a pretty girl... thanks for helping her Nicole 
When we had housetraining issues due to struvite crystals and that bladder defect we're talkin' puddles not dribbles. With UTIs it was smaller, more frequent amounts. But she couldn't help it either. Meds can greatly help incontinence from what I've read! She needs to be checked over since this is a new problem. Please let us know how she does? |
6Girls wrote: Meds can greatly help incontinence from what I've read! She needs to be checked over since this is a new problem. Please let us know how she does?
Not that incontinence is necessarily the issue, and this is an RR. But in OES, did you know that on our last breed health survey, incontinence was listed as the #1 health problem? I haven't had one yet, but when I took one of the girls in for a chiropractic adjustement one of the vets at that clinic mentioned that he gets a lot of OES referrals whose incontinence he treats with accupuncture. I thought that was interesting. Has anyone else heard of this? Kristine |
Mad Dog wrote: 6Girls wrote: Meds can greatly help incontinence from what I've read! She needs to be checked over since this is a new problem. Please let us know how she does? Not that incontinence is necessarily the issue, and this is an RR. But in OES, did you know that on our last breed health survey, incontinence was listed as the #1 health problem? I haven't had one yet, but when I took one of the girls in for a chiropractic adjustement one of the vets at that clinic mentioned that he gets a lot of OES referrals whose incontinence he treats with accupuncture. I thought that was interesting. Has anyone else heard of this? Kristine My foster gal is not an OES, but I have been on the net about this condition and found all sorts of information about it. There is even a herbal remedy that supposedly can help. If I had one of my dogs come up with this problem I would be looking at alternate ways of dealing with it...Acupucture sounds interesting..! |
| I have a friend that rescued a standard poodle and is successfully treating the dog's incontinence with acupuncture. |
Quote: I have an OES rescue that had housetraining issues due to struvite crystals and a bladder defect that was surgically corrected in February...
Jaci, I'd be interested to know how this was diagnosed and exactly what kind of surgery was performed. I raised the question of surgical options for Sophie with my vet some time back. She's never reluctant to go a surgical route, but she didn't seem to see it as a possible solution for Sophie. If I had more information, perhaps that would help. Sophie has had recurrent leaking problems since we got her. It seemed to be getting better until we had her spayed. For the most part, she's been able to stay dry with meds x 2, at the max dose, but still sometimes I find dribbles. She doesn't ever test positive for UTI. Also, recently, there has been a ressurgence in accidents in the house, probably from Sophie but possibly sometimes Sherman as well. A few times, it has been bowel movements. Always when we are out or occupied in another part of the house, so catching/correcting simply hasn't been possible. My husband has always insisted on no crates, but I'm thinking that for our sanity, not to mention sanitation we have little choice. How can I go about crating two 18 month old OES, especially when I want to leave the 8 year old free, as he's always been. Hubby is now willing to discuss it. I just need to know some practical tips on making it work for older dogs who should have been 100% trained a year ago. This is a brand new situation for us: our first two dogs easily trained. Sophie and Sherman have been a challenge from day one. Our dogs have at least 5 walks a day, plus are let out often. I just cannot believe they aren't getting enough outdoor time. I love my dogs to death but don't want my house destroyed. |
Quote: Jaci, I'd be interested to know how this was diagnosed and exactly what kind of surgery was performed. I'm sorry... I should make something clear. The defect I mentioned wasn't "regular" incontinence found in spayed females. Panda had a bladder defect that caused her house training issues... I can sympathize with anyone with this daily challenge. It's amazing my hardwood floors survived all the accidents this poor girl had. Panda had what was called a persistent urachus which one website indicates is a common bladder defect. Her's was the pouch type... not still connected to the outside. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... icleid=867 http://www.moorabbinvet.com.au:80/tour/ ... achus.html The story is at the bottom in case it helps anyone recognize the problem in their own dog. Maybe allow them to get the diagnosis much sooner than we did. Quote: Also, recently, there has been a ressurgence in accidents in the house, probably from Sophie but possibly sometimes Sherman as well. A few times, it has been bowel movements. Always when we are out or occupied in another part of the house, so catching/correcting simply hasn't been possible.
Panda also had separation anxiety that caused her to pee and poop in the house. She pooped on the bed once and the chaise lounge once. We couldn't keep a door closed between us or she'd pee/poop or get destructive. You might go over the info at this link to at least rule it out as a cause... http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1502 I found that the company of dogs did not correct the problem... she needed her humans. But this behavior can be a symptom of other things so... even related to training. Have you tried to confine them to a specific area of the house when you're unable to watch them? I know this is a pain in the neck. Whenever we would go downstairs, Panda would come with us but we had to watch her like a hawk or she'd wonder off and poop in another room. I'm sure others here will be able to provide more support and ideas on incontinence. Panda's Bladder Defect- We adopted Panda from NEOESR 2 years ago today. In her Petfinder listing it indicated she had some issues... this is why we chose to adopt her. She had hip dysplasia, housetraining issues and separation anxiety. You can see her original Petfinder write up at the bottom of this page- http://oesusa.com/Page30.htm
Shortly after she arrived, we had her urine tested and found she had struvite crystals. Over the next 1 1/2 years she had recurrent urinary tract infections that we would treat with antibiotics. We had x-rays and an ultra sound done and they mentioned that there was an abnormality... that it might be the bladder or the uterine stump since she's spayed. The second to the last infection was from a difficult to treat bacteria... we were told she might require IV drugs if the pills didn't work. The Idexx internist recommended that she be placed on 6 months of cephlexin after the initial treatment to keep her clear of infections. While on this, she developed yet another type of bacterial infection. We decided to repeat the x-rays and ultrasound and if it showed something strange, they would do exploratory surgery. They called and we gave them the ok to open her up. They found a persistent urachus and surgically corrected it. One piece of advice... if your dogs ever have ANY bladder surgery, stress to the vet to be certain the sutures are adequate... Panda's sutures failed and she suffered terribly because the vet on-call failed to recognize a serious situation (my first call she said that OES are known not to take pain well- obviously not very well educated on the breed) and there were no other vets we could reach. It was a nightmare. She had emergency surgery the next day (and we were charged for half of the second surgery  ).
She has not had a single bladder infection since her surgery in February so in the long run was worth it. She still has struvite crystals but we currently keep her on an acidifier called Uroeze... I may look to see if there's a more natural alternative that will be just as effective. The last check a few weeks ago showed normal pee
So that's my experience with a dog with peeing-in-the-house problems and the journey it entailed. |
| Emmarose is going to the vet today and we should know more after that. However, I am suspicious that we may have created a somewhat neurotic ridgeback. She has slept with us since being a small puppy. She always has someone around. She clearly wants to be with us always. Rarely does she go off by herself. We may be the neurotic ones here, but we liked how loving she is. In each case she could have been holding it beyond all indurance and just relieved the pressure. If there is no urinary problem we may have a knucklehead problem and I'm don't know how to fix that. Thanks again. |
| Good luck at the vet today
Panda, my sheepie-girl who arrived with separation anxiety, can now be left alone but it took a lot of time. It was so bad we had to give her the medication mentioned in at link for almost a year. Her two previous families had given up on her... she had also spent about a month at a Humane Society in New Jersey... then another new family (us)... all by the age of 10 months. It was very hard on her but she's gotten the idea that we'll come back to her if we have to leave on an errand. Though Panda is much better, she still follows me just about every time I leave the room. It's natural for us to want our dogs to enjoy our company. Who wants a dog that could care less about us? You might try some of the behavior modification ideas to help her become a little more independent. Quote: In each case she could have been holding it beyond all indurance and just relieved the pressure.
One more thing... you might give scheduled potty times a try. Maybe start with every 2-3 hours or so? Adjust as needed. But if her bladder isn't allowed to get so full maybe the accidents wouldn't occur?? If you're often real busy, you might set a timer to go off at the set time. Just an idea. Best wishes to Emmarose & her family. |
| I don't think it is separation anxiety.
When we are home, all of the dogs are free to be in the same room (and sometimes on the furniture---I limit this) with us. Lots of affection; opportunity for them to have down time away from us--everyone has his/her favorite spots to rest. If we close a door, no one seems upset--no pawing at the door, nothing. It's just as though someone, probably Sophie, takes the opportunity to pee, without bothering to tell us she needs to go. If I leave the dogs at home in the evening and come back, they greet me at the door, and usually one of the younger dogs barks as a sort of warning until they realize who it is, but as I approach the house (foot or car) there's no barking or noise coming from inside. No pacing that I've seen, no wild excitement (at least with me--I always come and go quietly and calmly, without fuss or fan faire. This is true with my regular scheduled return from work times, or if I am just randomly going out in the neighborhood and can't take a dog with me. There are special visitors or when the kids come home who get a wilder reaction, but normal comings and goings are calm and accepted with calm. I feel there is a medical portion to the puzzle: Sophie leaked prior to her spay. It was improving, and perhaps had disappeared (it wasn't all the time, so it's difficult to pin down). The medication seems to mostly work, although sometimes there is a damp spot where she was laying, obviously not her fault or something within her control. But I feel that the pee in the house--which has come as quickly as half an hour after a walk, while my husband was showering (and I'm off at work already). She has plenty of time to eliminate--they're all let out in the yard first thing in the am, and then walked for about 20 min. for their first walk. It's relaxed, and not hurried. Then, breakfast and another long walk. Done before 9 am. Then downtime as humans go to work/school. Walk again between 2 and 3 pm; again at 6:30-7:00 (depending on how long human dinner has gone one); another walk around 11 pm. If people are home during the day, the dogs get to go out in the yard more often than that and are almost always in the yard with us if we are out. I am confused because this schedule is the same one we've always had except there is one more mornng walk that we've never done before, but Sophie and Sherman had so much energy it was a wise thing to do. |
| I don't have any experience with the "regular" form of incontinence (if there is such a thing?). I don't think it would explain the pooping in the house and your sheepie-boy doing it too but I don't know for sure.
Over the next week or two you might keep a written journal of the times when she potties, drinks and exercises along with when she has any accidents. You might be able to spot a pattern that leads up to her wetting in the house. You might also try going back to your previous routine to see if the behavior again stops. We had the hardest time figuring out when Panda had to go. She did not communicate the need very well so we finally set up a schedule for when she HAD to go out. Our dogs were taught to go on command so it's sometimes just a quick out the door, "do your business", then back in. If it's not a behavioral, schedule or training issue, I'd talk more with the vet to see if medications can be adjusted or if there is something else that might be tried. Maybe check into the acupuncture Kristine mentioned if you can't find any other possible options. I hope you can find a solution. |
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