Breeder in Peru
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| It's good you're seeking information before purchasing... I hope they're conscientious breeders. I don't know anything about them but I saw Pierre Diaz's pups on PuppyFind.com the other day. It says he's in Los Angeles, California though. Ch Lola was my pick when I saw these pups. Lordy is she adorable BUT...
Ask about the pretesting done on the parents and get copies of the results for eyes, hips, etc. Carefully read the guarantee. Ask the important questions BEFORE you buy and get it in writing. You might also ask someone with OESCA or OESCA breeders if they know anything about this breeder. I think $750 is a very low price for a sheepie that includes airfare. This advice is coming from someone who has both a rescue dog that has hip dysplasia and was rehomed 3 times by 10 months of age http://oesusa.com/Panda2005.jpg and another that was born with a birth defect and is mostly blind http://oesusa.com/Cleft-Palate-Puppy/cl ... -puppy.htm . PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK to help prevent future heartache unless you're committed to keeping whatever dog you purchase and can afford thousands of dollars in medical bills. I didn't end up with a special needs dog... I chose them. There's a big difference. Pierre Diaz Location: Los Angeles, CA, United States http://www.puppyfind.com/l/?acct_id=129 ... 06c822f806 I hope this person proves to be a fantastic in breeding this companion animal we love so much. You might also see if there is a kennel name and check with the Better Business Bureau to see if they have anything on file. Good luck to you! |
Geez I just hate the way they have put Ch. in front of those 6-8 week old babies pet names. 
Way too young to even of been shown and have the right to include ch. on the names (even though they are only their pet names) well IMO Something is not quite right there. Obviously 2 litters there for sale, being some are 6 weeks old, way way way too young to be sold & going off to homes, extremely unethical there and very detrimental to the well being of the babies.
$750 for quality so called blood lines on these pups, including airfares, seems real fishy too.  |
| I agree. That price is way too low for a quality pup. I would contact the OESCA also. I used their breeder referral, and I have an awsome 4 month old now. He has show quality pups in his litter, but I have a pet. I am sure he could be shown, but as I have a contract with the breeder to nueter between 10-12 months, why bother.
6 weeks is too young to be sold also...I would run from this one!!! |
| Thank you for the advice. Yes, there are many red flags but I wanted to get others opinions on this. I did contact this breeder, and although the ad states California, they are in Lima, Peru. They do have seemingly good answers to all of my "red flag" questions, which cause more red flags for me. They do have two litters, and the sire is claimed to be a champion himself, who's father is a world Ch. out of Lambluv, although I can't find an OFA report on him on the offa website and am not able to get pedigrees. I think I already knew to run, I just needed someone else to confirm it. Thanks |
lisaoes wrote: Geez I just hate the way they have put Ch. in front of those 6-8 week old babies pet names.
Thanks Lisa, you answered my question before I displayed my lack of show ring knowledge and asked "how the heck does a 6 week old puppy become a champion"  Cute pups, shady breeder. |
Quote: Thanks Lisa, you answered my question
Mine too... I never knew what "Ch" meant. Goodness... I'm so totally ignorant about the show ring. I think all dogs are pretty  
Probably a good thing I'm not in the market to buy a dog.  |
It's seems just a marketing ploy to sell pups. Again JMO. 
We can't even have the title of Champion awarded under 12 months of age even if they have earned and been awarded the required amount of CC's. 4 months old before a pup can even grace the showring here and start their show career. I think you will find most countries have a minumum age requirement before entering the showring. Also after all the puppy vacs have been done for their safety around a large number of other dogs. It is an honour for your dog Ch. earned with time, a quality proven dog and dedication, not all achieve that status & have that right to include Ch. into a pedigree name. Even if they came from Champion blood lines, anyone making a claim to Ch. puppies of all in a litter (in this case 2 litters ) is champion quality well run the other way  . Made me cranky they use ch. that way to obviously fool people.
Crikeys I must be getting older then 21 plus and crankier. |
| Thanks for explaining this. Inaccurately using titles that haven't and could in no way have been earned ... I can understand why people would be peeved! |
| We bought a puppy from Pierre Diaz in Peru (around June 2005). We found Pierre Diaz on Puppyfind.com and it seemed he had a decent reputation.
It was a Newfoundland. The process was pretty smooth in regard to the entire transaction. The puppy arrived as expected. Pierre was very nice to deal with and we tried to research the claims of ancestry of the blood line (which seemed to show a purchase of one of the US champion dog's litter to Pierre Diaz). We did our research. We also offered to be contacted by anyone who wanted to buy a dog from Pierre. About a year later the puppy was found to have abnormal joint issues and the front legs were splayed out (almost like a duck). While now almost 3 years old, our dog has suffered. Things are better now, but this dog was nothing but anatomical problems (bad hips, bad front legs, extreme allergies, etc.). I would advise against buying from Pierre Diaz in Peru. If he is legit, he would have refunded us our money for a "bad puppy" (as most legitimate breeders will do). Reply to this message if you want more details. |
Guest wrote: I would advise against buying from Pierre Diaz in Peru. If he is legit, he would have refunded us our money for a "bad puppy" (as most legitimate breeders will do).
While we (as consumers) hope most breeders would - I believe - only a very few would actually refund money. Most health guarantees actually mean the breeder will replace your puppy. |
| My finance and I bought our little girl from Pierre last October. She was a year old on July 28 2008. So she was a little over 2 months when we got her.
Everything went fantastic with the shipping, I think the reason he lists LA as home is b/c him and his wife split thier time between Lima Peru and LA. And lets be honest if you saw home listed as Lima Peru would you really give it a good, serious look for purchasing?!? I also put my name on the contact list for a reference for him. I contacted 8 people from across North America who had bought dogs from him, all gave him honest and RAVE reviews. I was leary to buy a dog on-line but the process proved to be simple and virtualy stress free, we drove down from Winnipeg Manitoba, to Minneapolis MN to pick her up. I believe he puts Ch infront of their names to advertise the champion blood lines, honestly I could care less about chamion blood and at first I thought is was some kind of 'thing' they did in South America to name dogs ( shows what I know  )
Our pup has a fantastic personality and we couldn't ask for a better OES, or addition to our family. However although our vet says her hips are a-ok she is still a tad sensitive, and if you move her back end the wrong way she whimpers. Other then that ( the fear that is it hip displasia ) everything with her has been more then we imagined! And as for the 750.00 price tag I bet the market for OES in Peru is not all that hot and to compete with the highly priced north american OES's he prices that low, but who knows. Also when we spoke to him about having two litters @ one time ( I was fearful of a puppy mill ) he said that this was the first time this had ever happened to them, his previous customers echoed this. That is our experience with him, and I would definitly buy from him again! |
Quote: However although our vet says her hips are a-ok she is still a tad sensitive, and if you move her back end the wrong way she whimpers.
Other then that ( the fear that is it hip displasia ) everything with her has been more then we imagined! It sounds like she has pain somewhere from what you've described. Is your vet's comment based on an x-ray? It's really the only way to tell. My rescue OES had her hips x-rayed at 8 1/2 months of age and it diagnosed the problem so steps could be taken to at least try to reduce or slow down the damage to the joints. Good luck to you. |
| At a year old she should not be displaying any pain in the backend.
As Jaci said I would if the vet has not already have the HIPS X-rayed, that is the only way to find out, to see if there is not any problems there. If there is then steps can be taken to help slow the deteriation over time and good management of the situation to give her a long and pain free as possible life. Does the breeder in PERU supply all the health clearances like Hip and elbow scores and eye clearances of the sire and dam of the litter on the pup that you purchased? Wether from champion bloodlines or not, for the breeds sake these are the minimum testing for the health of what any breeder should do if they truly do have the breed in the best of interest and not just for the sake of the DOLLARS,before producing puppies for people. AND they should supply that information to prospective puppy buyers before they purchase from them. |
guest wrote: They do have two litters, and the sire is claimed to be a champion himself, who's father is a world Ch. out of Lambluv, although I can't find an OFA report on him on the offa website and am not able to get pedigrees. I think I already knew to run, I just needed someone else to confirm it. Thanks
Lambluv sounds so familar to me. Where have I heard that before. |
| As I have stressed before in another thread, breeding with two champions does not mean the litter will be full of champions, if it was only that easy, every reputable breeder will tell you how much time they invest in researching the backgrounds of the breed bitch and stud dog. In most countries in Europe the dog has to be 15 months old before it can be shown in a class where it can compete for a CC (Challenge Certificate) and in for example Germany you must have 5 CC's and there must be at least 1 year and 1 day between the first and the final CC. Of the five required three of them have to be awarded at international shows. I have a Multi-Champion at home and I would not like to think about how much money it cost and how many miles we drove to shows to gain these titles and we still have a few I would like to have, we are considering flying to Russia in December to try and get the Russian Champion with her. If everything works out we will nreed with her at the end of this year and hopefully we will have one puppy with possible show prospects, but although the puppy may seem show quality, there is always the question about teeth, hearing, HD, ED and so on. Then a breeder who shows wants to breed with the champion in the end and they want to do their best to breed healthy puppies and not just proliferate the breed. |
| I live in California and I purchased a beautiful Maltese puppy from Pierre in November of 2005. My Maltese (Spencer) is of great quality and Pierre provided all the documentation, to include certification with the Peru Kennel Club. I had Spencer certified with the AKC. Of all the Malteses I've seen here, Spencer is undoubtedly the best looking Maltese I've seen. Pierre was really helpful and patient with me before I made my decision on my best purchase every. As far as people's skepticism on Pierre's price, the only thing I can come up with is that he's simply trying to place his pups in good homes and make only a small profit in return. The cost of living in Peru is a lot less than here in CA. |
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