derby does not have ocd but what??any vets out here
( the left medical coronoid process is blunted,scierotic and somewhat ill defined. there is marked sclerosis in the trochlear notch.there is minimal osteophte formation associated with the head of the radius. the abnormalities are on both legs worse on the left. in appers derbys left elbow is markedly abnormal.i suspect fragmention of the coroind process with severe degenerative changes. a surgical consult is recommended asap,this might slow the progession of degenerative change) ok anyone what does this mean?? i am blonde but too me it doesn't sound good.. oh derby just 1 year old!! ok i need to stop crying i think this is just icing on the cake with my other 2 going downhill so fast.thanks for listening to me  |
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| Ah - I'm so sorry for this additional stress. It's really hard to get reports like this. Think positively and take it one step at a time. |
| I am no vet and there certainly big words on that report.
it sounds like it is elbow dysplasia. They can get that in the elbows like the hips but not very common. (there is minimal osteophte formation associated with the head of the radius. ) The radius is the bone below the elbow joint that is suppose to fit neatly into the elbow joint. Sounds like there is a problem there with the formation of it at the top (head) of the radius and sitting nicely into the joint. So elbow dysplasia is my guess there. Wishing you all the best and keep us posted after seeing the specialist. |
| I am so sorry you are facing so many challenges with your beloved dogs!
I have no expertise to offer only a  ! |
| ok so to change to topic last nite my old gal daytona lives to go fishing we have a lake in our yard my friend ron was fishing with her she goes nuts when you cast out well he caught a fish and daytona when in after it and yes she chomped down and the hook got caught in her tounge the blood every where well long story short the barb is still in there my derby trainer / vet tech rushed over we now need to take her for surgery to get it out.. what next |
| Wow, so sorry to hear about Derby's misfortunes. Poor girl!!!!
Re, her elbow. Sounds like they are recommending surgery to get it working the way it should. If surgery doesn't occur, the joint will continue to degenerate so it's better probably to get it done soon vs. waiting a couple of years. |
| yes i think that is what will happen he can't go on like this not being able to even take a walk without limping home |
| I am so sorry to hear that Derby is struggling. Our first sheepie, Quincy, had surgery on one elbow when he was 1 1/2 years old (in 2001) for a similar thing. The catchall phrase is elbow dysplasia, but basically they had to shave down the bone spurs to make the joint work more smoothly. For Quincy, though, arthritis was already an issue.
He did well after the surgery, but took Cosequin (glucosamine) and Rimadyl (anti-inflammatory) for the rest of his life. I wish I could locate Quincy's medical records to give you more specific information, but we moved last year and I can't seem to find them. 
Keep us posted on how Derby is doing. Hugs and belly rubs from Laurie and Oscar |
| Poor Derby! Can they predict whether it is a condition that will affect any other joints or is that once you have this surgery, he will be good to go?
And Poor Daytona! That sounds painful. How is she doing? It is alot to go through and you have my sympathies. . . |
| http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/91305.htm&word=trachlear%2cnotch
I went to Merckvetmanual.com and searched "trachlear notch" (LOL, I misspelled trochlear, but still got to the right spot,  )to come up with a better idea what's going on........and it came back elbow dysplasia...........read it. Sounds like this is in the ball park if not home plate. Hopefully surgery soon can help, before arthritis gets too well ingrained.
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| Sorry to hear about daytona too, gosh you are having a bad time of it.
Hope things settle down soon for you all. Best wishes with everything and I hope all goes well with derby too Sending hugs you need some at the moment. |
| I am sorry for all of the pain and worry and distress.
Something else to consider: when a human (or dog) has one joint not working well, the body unconsciously makes adjustments to accomodate the weaker joint/part. This is ok, short term, but long term, it can throw the whole body out of alignment and cause stress of other joints and body parts down the road. So, earlier treatment seems like a better choice not only for the affected elbow, but for the whole body. I hope things work out well for you. I do not envy you this. |
| Sorry about Daytona and Darby.. Keep strong...What a trying time for all of you...Will keep you in our thoughts and prayers. |
| daytona made it through the surgery to removes the barb in her tougue
ouch i just picked her up and she is out of it .. seem to have a smile on her face some good drugs. they all were happy casue htey told me it is a risk with her age putting her under.. on to the next derby has his appt. on friday morning will keep all posted thanks every for the support |
That's great news about Daytona. 
Good luck to you and Derby on Friday! |
Hoping for the best for Derby  |
| Wow - you've got your hands full, don't you!
I am glad to hear that Daytona came through her surgery well and got the barb out of her tongue. Poor girl. That sounds just awful. Good luck with Derby. You're doing all the right things having him checked out and seen by the specialists. Please keep us posted on the diagnosis & treatment options. |
| well just got back from the best surgeon in orlando told me in a nutshell derbys both yes both elbows are bad / he will need orthscopic surgery in the tune for 2500.00 to do both at the same time but he will still have arthritic problems down the road !! now what can i sell to make this kind of money and there is no guarentee he will always have problems
SO DO I DO THE SURGERY?????? i just can't belive this |
| I'm very sorry to hear of Derby's problems. I would still go for the surgery though, because a chance of improvement is always better than a guarantee of no improvement (which is what not having the surgery would be). As far as the money part of it, I truly hope you will be able to find the funds. I don't really have any clever ideas about how to get that much money, but you'll be in my prayers.
Stella and Sammie send sheepie hugs, too |
| I'm so very sorry. I'd go for the surgery too... it's his only chance of improvement or at least stabilizing his condition. But only you know what you can afford.
Quote: now what can i sell to make this kind of money
There is a place that loans money for veterinary care if you qualify... http://www.CareCredit.com http://www.carecredit.com/vetmed/whycc.html I used their payment calculator for $2,500... 18 Month No Interest Estimated monthly payments: $139 48 Monthly Payments; Current Interst Rate: 11.90% APR Estimated monthly payments: $66 See website for full details, terms and restrictions. Hugs to you and Derby... I know how hard this is. Did the vet recommend Cosequin DS or some other glucosamine supplement? |
| hey jaci
thanks for the info he is my new baby so i will do what i have to yes i have had him on glucosamine for the past 3 months and will keep him on it.. i just hate to see him not being able to play he has changed when the vets touched him he snapped he is such a sweety hate to see the pain making him this way.. my sweet little boy. i know there must be a happy hour somewhere  |
I'm so sorry... I know I keep saying that  I just remember how bummed I was when I learned that TPO surgery was out of the question for Panda. When they did the hyperextension of one of Panda's hind legs, she lunged forward and punched my husband Jim in the chest with her nose because of the pain. I know it hurts to see these changes. All I can say is that the dog that two people had given up on is doing much better now than when she arrived 2 years ago. The short play periods we have seem to be enough for her to maintain her muscle tone... she has no restrictions from the vet but we use common sense.
Quote: i just hate to see him not being able to play he has changed when the vets touched him he snapped he is such a sweety hate to see the pain making him this way.
Being Derby's elbows are involved, it seems more things are probably painful for him... like simply holding a chew or kong between his front paws. I'd ask the vet for some form of pain reliever until you can make a decision on surgery. Panda gets one regular strength Bufferin every morning with breakfast and has since she arrived. Vitamin C is controversial for hip dysplasia. I don't know if any of this applies to elbows but it might be worth checking into. There are studies that suggest vitamin C helps and others that say it doesn't... http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0039.htm http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... icleid=444 Vitamin C: Vitamin C acts as an antioxidant and is an important nutrient in the synthesis of collagen and cartilage. Because dogs and cats can manufacture their own Vitamin C and do not require it in their diet like humans do, the efficacy of using Vitamin C in the management of osteoarthritis in dogs remains unclear. Supplementing with Vitamin C at a reasonable level will not result in a toxicity and may prove to have a beneficial effect. Panda has gotten vitamin C (now on Ester C) since shortly after she arrived... it was to help acidify the urine because of recurrent bladder infections later found to be due to that bladder defect. She started at 500mg and now gets 1000mg... she weighs 62 pounds. Again, it's actually to help acidify the urine but maybe it made a difference with her hips? I just don't know. I've been told that if a dog gets A BIT too much vitamin C it simply washes through the system without harmful effects so I figure why NOT use it. This of course MUST be discussed with your veterinarian prior to starting to see if it would do any harm to try it. Please keep us posted on how Derby is doing. |
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