DOG LISTENER
Her web address is http://www.janfennellthedoglistener.com/index.htm Her method is completely none aggressive and I would not use any other method on my dog after learning about this way. Regards Joe |
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You're not alone, this book is probably recommended more than any others on this forum  |
| It's a great book, I frequently recommend it AND refer to it. As with any training method you have to pick what works for you and your dog. |
| Yea, she is amazing, I think her son trains dogs too? You can rent the dvd/video too. |
| I am one who is not a fan or supporter of Cesar Milan or Jan Fennell.
They are not up-to-date and their methods are still very much the old-fashioned "I am the boss and best you listen". Jan sets boundaries for reasons that certainly soudn good, but make no sense to teh dog...much as we would like to think so. Jan's ways are not loud and physical, but her stuff is a mix and mash of other people's ideas...She enstillsl the whole alpha and pack theroy that has now been tossed to the wayside by the modern, learned professionals. For example, her suggestiosn of not allowing the dog to go ahead of you through the doorway..... is full of bunk. A dog does NOT go ahead of you to take over the world. He is excited to get out...that's it. If you don't liek that, train him ot to. It won't change his thinking, ro pack iea or anything like that. And it is NOT because the pack leader goes first. Heavens, IF dogs were like wolves (which they aren't) the first one would be the one of less value that could be eaten up or attacked by the bear just ahead, around the corner. Then the higher ups would go through, but only when it was safe. The most modern and up-todate professional animal behaviorists to follow would be "Karen Pryor, Ian Dunbar, Jean Donaldons, Pat Miller, Pam Reid and the like. There is someone who is up and coming from the UK, who now is in the States. Her name is Victoria Stilwell. and I would highly recommend her writings and her DVD's and her TV shows. http://www.victoriastilwell.com/ |
| If you visit "Jan F" website you will see she has written 5 best sellers in 20 languages.
I feel sure if you read one of these, and practised her suggestions your opinion would be changed. She is soon to visit new zealand australia and u.s.a,giving talks,etc, she has done this for several years.She is very much up to date!! She studied "Wolves" for years and from this formed her method (100% her own). The Kennel clubs (G.B.) top vet states dogs are only one point away from wolves genetic make up. "All" the names you have mentioned are "Dog behaviorists" who try to stop the sympton "J F" gets to the root of the problem and is no way a behaviorist. Try her method, it works, as agreed by thousands of dog lovers. |
| So, how long have you worked for Jan?
No offense intended, I have her book right here in my office and it was a great help in training my dog. Her methods worked for me and I recommend it to others. But you sure do sound like an advertisement  |
rottytrot wrote: If you visit "Jan F" website you will see she has written 5 best sellers in 20 languages. She is soon to visit new zealand australia and u.s.a,giving talks,etc, she has done this for several years.She is very much up to date!! . Just because someone writes books and people buy them doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. Some of her stuff is good, but not all, and because someone has done something for years doesn't mean they are up-to-date. She is actually still preaching the same old, same old that has been out for many years, and is now out-dated.... rottytrot wrote: She studied "Wolves" for years and from this formed her method Exactly. Dogs are not wolves. They are very different. And the wolves that were studied were strange wolves in captivity...Not the same thing at all. There are many, many books out there that contradicte the wolf/dog THEORIES and explain how they are not scientifically proven. But these theories are easy to understand, so are easily adopted as fact by people. But they are not fact...Only theories that have been disproven, and it is taking a long time for folks to catch up. rottytrot wrote: "All" the names you have mentioned are "Dog behaviorists" who try to stop the sympton "J F" gets to the root of the problem and is no way a behaviorist. Huh? A dog behaviorists studies dog behavior, and why they do what they do. That is actually who I would listen to. Otherwise, how would you know what the prolbem is, unless you know why is is done? That is the basics. rottytrot wrote: Try her method, it works, as agreed by thousands of dog lovers. Thanks, but no thanks.. 
I haven't seen any of "her methods" that have not been done and preached by many other people. There is nothing new and exciting. Some of it is common sense, and is practiced by many good trainers/behaviorists. Much of it is not. But hey, suit yourself. I have done my research, and decided that Jan Fennell is not someone that I would recommend. There are much more knowledgeable people out there. |
| I think Jan Fennel has alot of very good points. I have read the book, use what works for me and my dogs and disregard what doesn't. There is no "end all be all" in dog training. There are just lots of people with lots of ideas. Every dog is a little different and what works with one doesn't work with another.
I am very skeptical of anyone, trainer or otherwise who says they know exactly what anyone should do. Arguing about who has the best ideas in training dogs is a little like arguing about whether the sun is shining, some places it is, some places it isn't. In my opinion you need to read alot of different people and theories and use what works for you and your animals. |
| I am new to joining this forum, but I noticed people were asking questions on dog behaviour,which I believed could be helped by reading "J F" and so by me advising them, they could make there own mind up if it was for them or not.
My posting was not a question on who was the best or worst, but a suggestion to help any one that could not find an answer.This was for non experts looking for an answer. I say to the dog experts who have replied stating "it's not for them" "good" it was not intended for them. I was simply trying to help anyone that needed help,and feel I have said enough, so I will not be replying to any more postings on this subject. |
| Welcome to the forum, where opinions are welcome |
| Hi and welcome to the forum |
Hi this is what I love about the forum. I learn so much from everyone here. I appreciate everyones veiws and answers. I've seen only the shows with Ceaser, Victoria and the Monks. I kinda like all of them and feel that what ever works for you works for you. All's I know is I'm glad to be here. 
Thank you everyone |
| Anyone who thinks they have all the answers... well, I don't know what to think about them. |
Tasker's Mom wrote: In my opinion you need to read alot of different people and theories and use what works for you and your animals.
I completely agree. |
| our kids, well, especially my two boys (ages 8 and 6), lay Wrigley down on his side and tell him he needs to be calm submissive for a couple minutes if he's biting or something. It's funny to hear them say the things that they've heard from watching the Dog Whisperer.............I think it's great that they're learning to be pack leaders and be responsible about it. Their friends that come over really get worked up around Wrigley and when Wrigley gets excited and starts chasing them, they start complaining. My boys always tell them that they have to be "calm-submissive", too. It's a hoot to hear them all conversing over this. I really think it's about teaching our kids how to act correctly around dogs. But hey, I admit to being a bit obsessive about making sure that everyone is getting treated correctly and also treating Wrigley with respect, too...............
Anyway, I'm rambling, just wanted to add something. |
| I haven't read Jan farrell.. but will. As far as Cesar Milan, well, there are lots of things going on "behind the scens" that you don't see on tv...BUT he does a service to the dogs he has on the show. And he does get people interested in training...
As far as methods being outdated...I think the thing about training is to read all the books you want. if there are things you don't like, or you go to a class and you feel it is too "hard, don't follow it...My favorite trainers are the Volhards and their motivational training methods Keep in mind, you are training your dog every day wheter you think you are or not and for good or bad...Thjese books and formal training are all about training YOU to get the dog to do or not do what you expect... Enjoy your training! |
It is funny how some books work for some and others it don't.I personally have read J.F.'s book,and when I was at my witts end with Cody! It helped me!! Rather it be old fashioned,it still works! Everyone has thier own ways,not eveyone will agree..Thats what makes all of us differant! Welcome!! And you do what works for YOU!  |
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