Executive order - this is alarming

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 717-3.html

this is way scary..

ermmm... the thought of them having this power now scares me ALOT.. its like threatening your own citzens... its aimed at US folk.. not any forgien persons.. wtf is this for?

the mind is boggled..

=/
Respond to this topic here on forum.oes.org  
Just looks like they had to create a law so they could have the excuse to detain people if need be. Just looks like they are trying to protect people over there as they are trying to stabilize things. I'm actually surprised that this is something new.
Section i.B is the only part that worries me as being way to vague:

(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:

(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;

If I protest against our methods of attaining political reform in Iraq, and that causes a political situation where the government can't pursue it's policies, am I undermining their efforts? What if people over there start protesting against their do-nothing legislature?

What if China does?
1- this isnt a law.. its a presidential order... it bypassed all the law reviews and such

2- it is directed at "United States person" which states that "(c) the term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States. " .. ie us lot.. not anyone over there..

and Ron.. thats what worries me.. it feels to me like a threat to anyone opposing him.. its like a "shut up and do as i say cause i can do as i like".. sortta like.. *gulp* dictorial..

thats what scares me..
Quote:
Thom Hartmann began his program on Thursday by reading from a new Executive Order which allows the government to seize the assets of anyone who interferes with its Iraq policies.

He then introduced old-line conservative Paul Craig Roberts -- a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan who has recently become known for his strong opposition to the Bush administration and the Iraq War -- by quoting the "strong words" which open Roberts' latest column: "Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran."

"I don't actually think they're very strong," said Roberts of his words. "I get a lot of flak that they're understated and the situation is worse than I say. ... When Bush exercises this authority [under the new Executive Order] ... there's no check to it. It doesn't have to be ratified by Congress. The people who bear the brunt of these dictatorial police state actions have no recourse to the judiciary. So it really is a form of total, absolute, one-man rule. ... The American people don't really understand the danger that they face."

Roberts said that because of Bush's unpopularity, the Republicans face a total wipeout in 2008, and this may be why "the Democrats have not brought a halt to Bush's follies or the war, because they expect his unpopular policies to provide them with a landslide victory in next year's election."

However, Roberts emphasized, "the problem with this reasoning is that it assumes that Cheney and Rove and the Republicans are ignorant of these facts, or it assumes that they are content for the Republican Party to be destroyed after Bush has his fling." Roberts believes instead that Cheney and Rove intend to use a renewal of the War on Terror to rally the American people around the Republican Party. "Something's in the works," he said, adding that the Executive Orders need to create a police state are already in place.

"The administration figures themselves and prominent Republican propagandists ... are preparing us for another 9/11 event or series of events," Roberts continued. "Chertoff has predicted them. ... The National Intelligence Estimate is saying that al Qaeda has regrouped. ... You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda's not going to do it, it's going to be orchestrated. ... The Republicans are praying for another 9/11."

Hartmann asked what we as the people can do if impeachment isn't about to happen. "If enough people were suspicious and alert, it would be harder for the administration to get away with it," Roberts replied. However, he added, "I don't think these wake-up calls are likely to be effective," pointing out the dominance of the mainstream media.

"Americans think their danger is terrorists," said Roberts. "They don't understand the terrorists cannot take away habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution. ... The terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism. Americans just aren't able to perceive that."

Roberts pointed out that it's old-line Republicans like himself, former Reagan associate deputy attorney general Bruce Fein, and Pat Buchanan who are the diehards in warning of the danger. "It's so obvious to people like us who have long been associated in the corridors of power," he said. "There's no belief in the people or anything like that. They have agendas. The people are in the way. The Constitution is in the way. ... Americans need to comprehend and look at how ruthless Cheney is. ... A person like that would do anything."

Roberts final suggestion was that, in the absence of a massive popular outcry, "the only constraints on what's going to happen will come from the federal bureaucracy and perhaps the military. They may have had enough. They may not go along with it."


if you think about it.. there has been several "reports" recenty about just this.. re groupings.. warnings.. etc..etc..

this line is ringing truer and truer and has me asking why wasnt there any real press coverage about this "order"?
Quote:
The terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism.
Quote:
this line is ringing truer and truer and has me asking why wasnt there any real press coverage about this "order"?
Quote:
The terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism.


Amen! The Patriot Act was frightening enough with open interpretation to meet the needs of the current administration. Sounds like you will find the original version of this bill on Dick Cheney's computer.
Tanks wrote:
..........wtf is this for?........


JMOP
I think its partly a result of the American people taking a stand AGAINST the government on the recent immigration bill that failed, and the war in Iraq.

Because, he didn't get his way he's pouting, and is looking for ways to SCARE us, and to SHUT US UP!!! (and, the government officials that disagree with him) SHAME ON HIM!!! He's become an embarrasement to our country as a leader!!! imop

I voted for him, and would impeach him in a heartbeat!!! Along with EVERYONE else that recently voted against protecting OUR borders, and putting America, and HER CITIZENS FIRST!!! :evil:

mouthypf
Unfortunately, what else is new? In my opinion, this is just the latest in a long line of attempts by this administration to consolidate power under the Executive Branch. I keep up with the news, yet the first I'm hearing of this is on an OES forum???

Don't even get me started....................................... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Laurie
Every executive does this -- it's up to the other branches to reel them in.

The Judicial system takes a while, but will eventually do the right thing.

Where is Congress in the meantime?
Didn't find exactly what you're looking for? Search again here:
Custom Search
Counter

[Home] [Get A Sheepdog] [Community] [Memories]
[OES Links] [OES Photos] [Grooming] [Merchandise] [Search]

Identifying Ticks info Greenies Info Interceptor info Glucosamine Info
Rimadyl info Heartgard info ProHeart Info Frontline info
Revolution Info Dog Allergies info Heartworm info Dog Wormer info
Pet Insurance info Dog Supplements info Vitamins Info Bach's Rescue Remedy
Dog Bite info Dog Aggression info Boarding Kennel info Pet Sitting Info
Dog Smells Pet Smells Get Rid of Fleas Hip Displasia info
Diarrhea Info Diarrhea Rice Water AIHA Info
Sheepdog Grooming Grooming-Supplies Oster A5 info Slicker Brush info
Dog Listener Dog's Mind Dog Whisperer

Please contact our Webmaster with questions or comments.
  Please read our PRIVACY statement and Terms of Use

 

Copyright 2000 - 2012 by OES.org. All rights reserved.