Defending of Hunte Corp and USDA regulated puppy mills
I recently attended a small dog auction that the lady who was selling had to do so because she lost her husband. There were rescue organization representatives there from surrounding states with fists full of money to buy her dogs then disgrace her publicly. I tell you she had beautiful dogs and puppies which were very socialized and friendly, even to all these strange people who were looking at them even handling them. They wagged their tails and got excited when the children stuck their fingers through the cage to get licked by the dogs and puppies alike. Some of these dogs were purchased by a local organization who advertised them following the auction as abused kennel raised dogs displayed them in cages in a hot parking lot of the local discount store and sold them for a profit and took donations for other supposed abused dogs not present and needed care! It only takes 3 people to be in agreement in business and to run a rescue organization and if you think for one minute they are not doing it for profit you are all idiots!!!!! Do your research and before you go around wagging your tongues about commercial USDA kennels. I am sure this won't get posted and if it does it won't make a bit of difference in any of your opinions because most of you are just naive about the truth and are going by what others tell you and not doing your own research! But at least I have had my say!!!!! DogGoneMad! |
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| I have a feeling most people here will leave your post alone. It's probably pretty obvious we're not going to see eye to eye on this matter. HOWEVER...I'm having one of those days so here it goes...
Quote: They euthanize a very high percentage of their dogs and puppies not necessarily due to health reasons but because if they have them too long and can’t SELL THEM! You are right. Unfortunately a high percentage of dogs are euthanized. Some due to health problems, some due to temperament and others solely because of the mass amounts of dogs. Now, the way I see it...if people would spay and neuter their pets and quit producing MASS AMOUNTS of puppies. We could control this problem. Quote: We who are USDA licensed have very strict and humane guidelines to follow and are in the business to not only supplement our income but out of Love for what we do!!! I live in Missouri. There is absolutely no question that there is a lot of puppymills here. I have seen the "strict and humane" USDA licensed kennels. I don't see how having hundreds of dogs living in wire cages is either strict or humane. I have seen dogs with mangled feet from wire cages, deformed facial structures or legs but yet they keep on pumping out puppies (to later be euthanized at a humane society when they grow up with health and temperament problems), severe mental issues due either to bad breeding or just isolation. I'm not suggesting they are all this way but it does happen way too often. I don't consider this to be responsible breeding. You want to change my mind? Go for it. I'm listening. Tell us about your breeding program. How many breeds do you have? How many dogs at one time? How many puppies do you produce in a year? Do you know where those puppies have gone? Are they still with their families? What happens if it doesn't work out? Do you take them back again? How about showing us pictures of your kennels and let us see the life your dogs live. I would LOVE for you to change my mind. It would thrill me to death to know that these kennels are not as bad as those I've seen and heard of. Quote: I am sure this won't get posted and if it does it won't make a bit of difference in any of your opinions because most of you are jus naive about the truth and are going by what others tell you and not doing your own research!
It's posted. I seriously doubt its going anywhere. So why don't you make the difference? Help us with our research and tell us what your about. |
| This is a Perfect example of someone trying to discredit and bash all USDA kennels now let’s hear some horror stories about the rescue organizations and Humane Society’s are you going around touring the bad one of those and publicizing them and bashing them!!!! I have no intentions of changing your mind and any one else’s for that matter. I have a right to post my opinion just as you do!
I do not live in MO. and if they have kennels as you described then I am sure the USDA will catch up with then in time. I have many friends who raise dogs in the same Ethical and Humane manner I do. And of course I am not going to publish or defend my operation to you or any one else for that matter. I don’t need people like you in my back yard LOOKING for something “INHUMANE”, that doesn’t exist. My dogs all have names and know them they live on the solid ground just as you and I do, they get the exercise and run of our 80 acre farm on a daily basis!!! My dogs get better care and loving attention than some peoples children do! If you think shutting down all USDA kennels is going to stop high production of puppies in this country think again, there will always be the inhumane operation known as “puppy mills” with no regulations or guide lines to follow marketeering on puppy sales including “Rescue Organizations”. Maybe you and people like you should be a little more sensable and work with the breeders that are doing it right and not label all of us as "Puppy Mills"! Dog Gone Mad |
MissingMurphy wrote: I'm not suggesting they are all this way but it does happen way too often. I don't consider this to be responsible breeding. Did you read my response? I'm not trying to discredit or bash anything. You said "do your research". I stated what I have SEEN not heard about. Again, I'm not suggesting all breeders fall under the worse case scenerio. I'm saying it DOES happen even with a USDA license. I'm glad to hear your dogs have names and walk on solid ground. I think that should a given. Quote: And of course I am not going to publish or defend my operation to you or any one else for that matter. Then why come hear and bring it up? If you think I am naive why aren't you trying to show me the truth of the matter? Quote: If you think shutting down all USDA kennels is going to stop high production of puppies in this country think again, there will always be the inhumane operation known as “puppy mills” with no regulations or guide lines to follow marketeering on puppy sales including “Rescue Organizations”. Again, I never suggested that as an option. I said if people would spay and neuter their pets and quit producing mass amounts of puppies we could control the problem. I made no comment about USDA kennels or otherwise. Quote: Maybe you and people like you should be a little more sensable and work with the breeders that are doing it right and not label all of us as "Puppy Mills"!
I never called your operation a puppy mill. I asked general questions about your operation which you for the most part chose not to answer. If you want to lump yourself with that group go right ahead but I DID NOT do it for you. There is a large spectrum of breeders, IMO. Responsible breeders who are concerned with the betterment of the breed all the way down to puppymillers. I have no idea where you fall in the spectrum. I will say that if and when the day comes that I decide to purchase a puppy I'm going to ask a lot of questions and the breeder is going to have to prove to me they are responsible in their breeding just as I'll have to prove to them that I am a responsible pet owner and worthy of a puppy. You're obviously looking for a fight and not a conversation. On a normal day I wouldn't have bothered with a response at all given you are so "dog gone mad" on this particular topic. I gave you the opportunity to educate me on your operation but you've chosen to assume I'm bashing you. Whatever. You can continue to be angry. Considering this is going no where this will be my last post on the subject. If you want to have a serious conversation I'll be happy to join in. Have a good day. |
| Ummm... did the reply from doggonemad get moved from another thread?
I THOUGHT I originally saw the reply under the following thread earlier today- Hunte Corp and AKC and puppymills http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=4179 Maybe someone can clarify?? Just wondering if the reply was really the reply to what MissingMurphy had written. |
| I moved doggonemad's first post and all that followed to here. |
| Ooookay... I saw that doggonemad had posted a total of 2 times but just read the reply one. Then I forgot to search for the other one before I left.
Thanks Ron  |
doggonemad wrote: It only takes 3 people to be in agreement in business and to run a rescue organization and if you think for one minute they are not doing it for profit you are all idiots!!!!! !
Your argument is seriously flawed. Fostering certainly cost me plenty as I only recouped less than half what was spent to take care of the dog with medical and grooming expenses, etc, via the adoption fee. Rescue, as I have witnessed and experienced, is a financially losing situation. On the other hand, it is a win-win situation when an animal, who otherwise would have lived out his/her life in misery, is placed in a loving home through rescue. |
| While you are raving about how great commercial breeders are, you still have not answered any questions about the goals of your breeding program. How many breeds do you own & breed, tell us a little about each breed and what you do to prevent health issues that crop up in certain breeds?
Can you prove to us that Hunte Corporation, and all of the other puppy brokers out there, purchase their puppies from "ethical" breeders? Difference between YOU & ethical breeders is that YOU breed for the money and ethical breeders do it for the love of the breed. Let's also talk about how all of the Hunte Corporation puppies get to their destinations. Packed like sardines in huge tractor trailers. Should I not bring up the topic about the 60+ puppies that perished when a tractor trailer burned last summer? |
| Glad you've had your say, you are entitled to your opinion. Do you honestly think coming to the forum and calling us idiots is the best approach? You were asked some direct questions and failed to answer, why is that? Do you do hip and eye clearances? If someone is unable to keep a dog from your breeding do you take it back and rehome it? The list of questions could go on and on but your intent seems to be bashing us. If that makes you feel better great, but all your ravings are useless if you won't educate us. Oh, I forgot, we are naive and perhaps you assume that translates into stupid and we wouldn't be able to understand. |
| I can't speak for conditions of government regulated USDA breeders except for reading reports from USDA inspectors. It's common sense though that breeders with a lot of dogs cannot adequately provide one-on-one interaction. I'd also like to know how many of them do pretesting for conditions known to affect the breed they have a hand in creating and profiting from.
Just my opinion but an ethical breeder would NEVER take their dogs to auction and sell them to the highest bidder. It shows they are only interested in money and not the welfare of the dogs they've used to turn a profit. You mentioned that people from rescues used dogs purchased to shame a good woman. I do feel very bad for her because she must have been dealing with a lot of stress and grief. BUT, even if she had done all things right (up to the point of auctioning off her dogs), these same dogs could have been picked up by anyone. They could have been heading off to endure a lifetime of terrible treatment, over breeding and suffering. She took no steps to ensure they would be well cared... they simply went to whoever was willing to part with the most money. This does NOT show me responsible ownership of breeding dogs. Just some interesting USDA breeder links- http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ac/publicatio ... olders.txt http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ac/publicatio ... olders.txt http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ac/publications.html For anyone that purchased a pup from a pet store or is considering doing so- http://www.petstorecruelty.org/how%20to ... eeders.htm |
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stooooooopid people are tiresome. |
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