SO ANGRY!!!!
  I hope these people involved get all that they deserve!!!! |
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| The family has had a history of bad behavior, so it's not surprising to me. It's near (relatively) to here, so it's gotten a bit of press...Very sad and I'm glad that they are indicting him. |
| I must have missed this. What happened? and where |
| A few months ago, in rural Virginia, authorities discovered what looked to be a dog fighting ring at a property Michael Vick owns (and says has nothing to do with it--a cousin lives there). Michael Vick plays football for the Atlanta Falcons. They found things like dog treadmills and I think even bones of dogs buried on the property.
Here's a link to a story about it on msn.com http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7033242?MSNHPHMA |
| OMG, That made me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| I was just starting to post the link to the story and thought hmmmmmm, I wonder if someone else did.
This morning on the way to work I heard the news story and it just made me ill. What he did to both the fighting dogs and the ones he decided were not longer "worthwhile" is simply beyond criminal. |
| I'm a huge football fan, so when Vick and Tank Johnson (of my beloved Chicago Bears!) were found with pitbulls and training equipment I was super bummed. I was VERY happy that Tank was dismissed from the Bears and hope that if convicted Vick never plays a football game again (unless of course its in jail). |
| Oh no! I hadn't heard the story and was too disheartened to read it. I'm disgusted and lets hope he gets what he deserves. No creature deserves to be treated that way..makes me so sad.
Marianne |
| I agree they all should never play football again and get the book thrown at them. Jail time!!!! And big fines that should go for helping other dogs who really need help' |
| Oh that is such a great idea. A BIG HEFTY Fine from all involved and given to rescue organizations. YES!!!! I think everything that man has should be sold and the procedes also be given. They dont need all that money where they are going!!!!!! |
| I heard that on the news this morning too, and it really upset me. I don't understand how someone could stand there and watch two dogs fight to the death, especially for sport. ...not to mention the training, tormenting, and killing that goes along with it.
...and if I'm honest with myself, this story upsets me a lot more than the reports of people being murdered that I hear on the news every day. I'm not sure why that is, and I'm possibley even more upset by that fact. |
I seen it coming on the news last night and had to turn the channel. I just wanted to cry. 
What is going on? What makes people not care about the pain a poor animal feels? I truly wish there was a law that punished these people just as if they did these things to a human.
Antoinette |
Lil Walty wrote: I'm a huge football fan, so when Vick and Tank Johnson (of my beloved Chicago Bears!) were found with pitbulls and training equipment I was super bummed. I was VERY happy that Tank was dismissed from the Bears and hope that if convicted Vick never plays a football game again (unless of course its in jail).
I had read in the Trib he went looking for his dogs after he was released from jail. ASPCA had taken them and actually re-homed them before he got out. |
| Pis*ed beyond belief!
Another animal cruelty event happened here. Two teenage girls poured some flammable liquid (read gasoline) on a kitten in its crate and set the poor thing on fire. The kitten, now missing ears, tail and most of its fur, has survived so far but only after several skin graft operations and many, many more to come. The two teenagers, while not being named (because of their age) are being charged with felony animal cruelty which will probably be pled down to community service. Put them in a crate and light 'em up...See how they like it!  |
| I can't express my feelings on this subject as I would be permanently banned from the site due to the language I'd use to describe that worthless piece of human excrement. |
| There is another thread on the same topic under "Rescuing An OES"
http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=14923. Here is a petition to sign too https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_ ... gn22d5jbj3 This story in my own state keep me awake for several nights. http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_198110948.html  |
OOPS I meant NY not NJ, close enough, sorry  |
| Thank you for providing the link with the petition. I put in my two cents worth too. I hope everyone will take a minute or two to add thier names and comments to the petition. This sick creep must be stopped and he must pay for what he did to those poor dogs!! |
| https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_ ... rce=gaba6w
This site allows you to sign a petition and send an email to the NFL |
Sheeps over Aces wrote: I can't express my feelings on this subject as I would be permanently banned from the site due to the language I'd use to describe that worthless piece of human excrement.
I agree!!! I saw Nancy Grace a few nights ago and they were saying that they electrocuted the dogs that lost, hung them, tortured them and body slammed them to death. I'd like to have it done to these people. Supposedly this would go on right after a match.
Also, what is a "rape stand" as I've never heard of that??? That was found on the property. I know it doesn't sound pretty at all whatever it is.... |
| I heard what a "Rape Stand" is the other night on one of the news reports. It's a cage like thing where the female is placed. Her head is then placed in a very tight vice, so that she is unable AT All to move her head....therefore, the male is able to "rape" her. What a nightmare these poor dogs had to endure!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
tdelanoit wrote: I heard what a "Rape Stand" is the other night on one of the news reports. It's a cage like thing where the female is placed. Her head is then placed in a very tight vice, so that she is unable AT All to move her head....therefore, the male is able to "rape" her. What a nightmare these poor dogs had to endure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG .....THATS HORRIBLE |
| Isn't it tho??? |
| They sound like VERY sick people |
| Follow this link to send a email to Nike asking them to drop Vick
https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_ ... nd4ld3wkwx? |
| you can also call nike at 800-344-6453 and make your request there. |
| This is interesting reading. He is charged with "conspirocy", which is very powerful. It will be difficult to wiggle out of this, I would think.
http://itchmo.com/read/why-vick-wont-go ... g_20070719 Looks like by being an accomplice, makes him as guilty as the participants. Now to prove he was involved to the level requuired to meet the threshold. |
| Unfortunately the charges may legally be minor felonies and he could fight any dismissal from the NFL.......I just hope he had to sign a morality clause that may allow Atlanta kick is kester out.......if he is found guilty. I hope the fans in Atlanta are in an uproar......that will do more than having the nation come down on him.........not selling tickets to the games speaks the loudest.
For me, there's no punishment great enough for that sicko......I don't give two hoots about his upbringing. People overcome adversity every day, they do all fall into depravity. My father had an awful life but turned his life around and became a model man, honored by all. |
SheepieBoss wrote: Unfortunately the charges may legally be minor felonies
I am hoping that there are more charges pending, and the big guns just haven't come out yet. I wonder if there are any animal lovers on his team, and if so, how they must be feeling right now? I can't imagine how someone who is as passionate about dogs as many of us are here, would be able to control themselves in his presence. |
| If it were in my power I'd fine him $1 million for every dog he has (allegedly) owned or mistreated. With sixty+ some dogs, that should knock the poor me/ain't my dog BS out of him. |
| Woohoo we did it check it out. It helps to sign a petition
July 27, 2007 We Did It! Nike Drops Vick I know you heard from me earlier today or yesterday, but I wanted you to be one of the first to know: Nike announced today that it has suspended Michael Vick's contract without pay and will stop selling all Vick-related products at its stores. This is a big victory, one that simply would not have happened without your action and those of more than 165,000 others. As you know, the allegations against Michael Vick are so serious and disturbing that The Humane Society of the United called on his corporate backers to end their commercial relationships with the star player. I’m so pleased that Nike has signaled it has a zero tolerance policy for athletes who may be involved with staged animal fights and other forms of malicious animal cruelty. Nike's statement reads as follows: “Nike has suspended Michael Vick’s contract without pay, and will not sell any more Michael Vick product at Nike owned retail at this time. As we’ve said before, Nike is concerned by the serious and highly disturbing allegations made against Michael Vick and we consider any cruelty to animals inhumane and abhorrent. However, we do believe that Michael Vick should be afforded the same due process as any citizen in the United States, therefore, we have not terminated our relationship.” Also today, Reebok agreed to stop selling Michael Vick-branded products. The company does not have a contract with Vick but has an official relationship with the NFL to sell its merchandise. Thank you again for all you do for animals. Sincerely, Wayne Pacelle President & CEO The Humane Society of the United States |
| You know, the HSUS isn't a very good organization from what I've read. They're more like PeTA than your local Humane Society. They just kind of stole a very familiar sounding name.
I am afraid they are gaining an air of legitimacy lately, being interviewed on TV, trading on the work and the name of the "real" Humane Societies. |
| Ron,
You are so ight about the HSUS! Don't send them any money! |
wow thanks Ron I didnt know there was a difference. Thank you  I really appreciate the information you all have.  |
| Here is a mailing I rec'd about the HSUS;
IMPORTANT: Please do not donate to the HSUS! Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:38 am (PST) This message is going to many people. If you are a moderator or list owner, please consider putting it on your lists. As an individual, this is the information that I have been trying to compile & am so thankful someone else has done it for me. Please cross post to everyone you know. In order to protect Michael Vick's pets & our own pet-owning future, this information really needs to get out there. Please forward to all email lists and to every one you know! The Humane Society of the United States has mounted a huge campaign to raise money to care for the dogs rescued from Michael Vick's dogfighting ring. The plea comes complete with a heartbreaking picture of one of the injured dogs. (Not surprisingly, studies have shown that people donate more when shown a picture of or told a story about a single animal needing help. HSUS is very clever at fundraising.) But before you contribute, please note: 1) There is a disclaimer in fine print at the bottom of the form which says your donation may be used for other HSUS programs and may not be used to help the dog fight victims. 2) There has been no accounting for the nearly $20 million HSUS raised for the Katrina dogs and cats. The organization is under investigation by the Louisiana Attorney General for their handling of that situation. http://tinyurl.com/25avhp 3) HSUS has NO shelter. It is a corporate office building in Washington DC. It is supposedly "overseeing" the care of the dogs that were seized from Vick's house, but we don't know where the animals are, Will the shelter actually providing their care receive all the donations this campaign generates? 4) There is no reason to believe that your contributions will go to help the dogs seized from Michael Vick or any other dogs or cats. HSUS spends most of its money on legislative efforts to make dog breeding impossible and pet ownership more difficult, more expensive, and more dangerous and someday, when they reach their goals of spaying and neutering all pets, there will be no dogs and cats in this county. Only those few who are willing to go underground and puppymillers who import them from outside the country will have pets to sell at great prices greatly shrinking gene pools and producing pets with even greater genetic problems then even the puppymills of today. 5) HSUS claims its servers crashed from the response to their first appeal for money for these dogs, yet they are still out there beating the drum for more money, still claiming more is needed for the Vick dogs. And if you are still considering writing that check, read the following quotes from Wayne Pacelle, president of HSUS- "I don't have a hands-on fondness for animals...To this day I don't feel bonded to any non-human animal. I like them and I pet them and I'm kind to them, but there's no special bond between me and other animals." quoted in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 251. "We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding." quoted in Animal People, May, 1993. When asked if he envisioned a future without pets: "If I had my personal view, perhaps that might take hold. In fact, I don't want to see another dog or cat born." Wayne Pacelle quoted in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 266. Where are the millions in contributions they already receive every year? If you have money to contribute, please send it to your **local** shelter. Donations received by local shelters do help animals. The money sent to HSUS does not. -- Dog fighting is a barbaric, bloody sport in which no one wins, especially the fighting dogs & the 100's of pets that are sacrificed to train a fighting dog. Want more info... Ask me. |
| I quite agree with the expressed opinion of the HSUS. They are a corporation that does communications and deals with legislative and puplic issues. They have a strong backing, but I do think that with the roght people at the helm, and with the right board to manage them, they could be a powerful tool. But right now, I am not convinced of that.
Donating to your local shelter / humane society / rescue group gets the money directly to the animals in need. Quote: Dog fighting is a barbaric, bloody sport in which no one wins, especially
the fighting dogs & the 100's of pets that are sacrificed to train a fighting dog. This is where "free to good home" pets end up. Please charge an adoption fee if you feel that you need to place your pet in another home. You can then donate it towards helping homeless animals. |
| I did not know that Ron, thanks for the info. Although I did sign the petition I won't be sending them any money!!! |
| HSUS uses a variety of techniques to get animal issues to the forefront. Amidst those techniques are legislative work, litigation, public awareness campaigns and rescues.
As a rescue I know that sometimes when we plead for money on a certain dog that money will be used on another dog, or perhaps to pay for flyers or administrative costs- but that doesn't mean we don't take care of that specific dog. Just because they do not have a shelter (they are not a shelter!) does not mean that they do not find places and cannot care for these dogs. I know for a fact that organizations like HSUS without shelters place animals (for example from hoarding situations) in foster care or they make shelters (in one case someone donated a warehouse where they made an amazing facility to house the animals) Maybe your donation won't go to the food feeding those animals, but maybe instead it will go to one of their anti-animal fighting campaigns? Or to their lawsuit against Amazon.com who supports illegal dog and cock fighting by illegally selling magazines/videos? Every single thing any popular animal welfare/rights organization does is going to be under scrutiny. Perhaps you do not believe with the president's philosophy that we should not have companion animals- but I do not see how that relates to their successes in stopping animal fighting. I think their campaigns have a very direct effect on the increased penalties that many states have recently passed for dog fighting. Just my thoughts! |
| I don't think that every organization (animal welfare or not) is worthy of support.
Just as breeders who want to be considered top notch shouldn't associate with or defend places like puppyfind, I feel that people and organizations that want credibility shouldn't support/endorse/associate with organizations that don't have stellar records. Why taint yourself, you know? I don't think anyone here would say "That Michael Vick. I don't like what he does with dogs, but I love him as a football player." Like Vick, just because they might do one or two good things, that doesn't give them a pass on the baloney they pulled, nor the cynical use of the name "Humane Society". Oh lord I wish I hade trademarked it first. Maybe "American Humane Society" is still available. Or "International Humane Society". I need to call a lawyer and get busy. I could be rich by the end of the year. But that's just my opinion! |
Ron wrote: I don't think that every organization (animal welfare or not) is worthy of support.
I totally agree. Just curious- what specifically have the HSUS done that you think makes them unworthy of support? |
| Just Google it |
| Or start with their tax return for 2004
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2 ... 8aa-9A.pdf $70 million in donations $34.5 million in mailings (education and "member materials", of course, not fundraising... riiiiiiight) (Look under "Accomplishments" around page 33 for how proud they are that they spent that much, including quarterly mailings to 350,000 members and ooooh, 100,000 online mailings... ) Millions and millions in salaries of more than $50,000 to more than 100 employees, including their CEO Paul Irwin taking down more than $500,000. Millions spent on 'affiliates'. Millions more spent on billboard ads. I'm trying to find where they spent any money on you know, animal care, which is what Humane Societies do, and how they raise all of this money, promising (or strongly suggesting) to do so. If they want to call themselves PeTA or something that's one thing. But their name is misleading and trades on the name and work of real Humane Societies. This is all just about "who they are, and what they stand for" before I even begin to get into what they've done, and how they've misled in specific cases. I don't want to go any further because this won't end pretty. |
Lil Walty wrote: Ron wrote: I don't think that every organization (animal welfare or not) is worthy of support. I totally agree. Just curious- what specifically have the HSUS done that you think makes them unworthy of support? For me it is more of what they have NOT done...I see them as a corporation, with an agenda, which includes bringing animal welfare to the forefront, but is not exclusive to that. Power and money is also on the same agenda. I did not know too much about them until the whole Katrina situation. The rescue groups involved had quite a bit to say about them, and what they did (or rather did NOT do) and where the money went, etc, etc, etc. I don't really pay too much attention to articles on the internet as they can come out pretty one-sided, but will absolutely pay attention to rescue people that I know and trust...and what they have to say. They, like yourself, are the ones actually doing the work........ |
| I think that the Humane Society has the same goal as rescue workers, but they use different tactics. Including litigation and public awareness campaigns. As a rescue worker myself I know that if everyone just devoted their time to adopting out homeless animals it would just be a neverending cycle. With public awareness, including ads and billboards, you can educate the public and the legislatures and push change. Without HSUS employees pushing for certain legislation animal cruelty probably wouldn't be a felony in a lot of states and I wouldn't have a chance to rescue those animals because they would stay at home with their abusers.
Also about salaries- they have extremely well educated people on their staff (including lawyers!) who do really good (quality!) work. Lawyers can't work for pennies, we have student loans to pay off  |
Lil Walty wrote: Without HSUS employees pushing for certain legislation animal cruelty probably wouldn't be a felony in a lot of states and I wouldn't have a chance to rescue those animals because they would stay at home with their abusers. I'm interested in this. Citations? |
| Ron, you're speaking specifically about the Humane Society of the United States, correct? There are a lot of different groups like that that use Humane in the name and I think a lot of people get them confused as all being affiliated, which they are not. I give to my local Humane Society but that does somehow get me on the mailing list for every group with Humane in the title. You really have to be careful and research first before giving money to make sure you know who you're giving to. |
| Yes, I am writing specifically about the HSUS. |
Ron wrote: Lil Walty wrote: Without HSUS employees pushing for certain legislation animal cruelty probably wouldn't be a felony in a lot of states and I wouldn't have a chance to rescue those animals because they would stay at home with their abusers. I'm interested in this. Citations?In most cases the "authors" of bills in congress did not actually write those bills. HSUS and other organizations go to their congressmen with the bills and ask them to introduce them. They then send lobbyists to gain support from other representatives, as well as launching public awareness campaigns asking their members to contact their representatives asking them to vote for the measures. |
| Why not just tell me to Google it?
Just curious... wouldn't you be in the street protesting if say, a special interest group wrote the country's energy bill? So people giving money to the HSUS for their emotional pleas to save Katrina flood victims and fighting dogs expect their money to be going into lobbyist's pockets to write animal rights laws? Is that the tactic you want to see employed? Because it can be taken to a whole 'nother level, and will be if cynical and misleading fundraising isn't stopped. |
| Some of those "animal rights" laws are actually animal welfare laws that speak directly to the treatment of animals in disaster. So maybe your money didn't go to feed a dog they saved from Katrina, but it went to funding the lobbying or drafting of the act that requires states to have disaster plans that include companion animals.
And again I want to drive the point that my local rescue does fundraising for specific animals and their health problems, but all the money goes into one account. Sometimes we get more than we need, should we then return the money or would it be ok to use it for something else? I also think that if people donate to the HSUS and don't know that they also run legislative campaigns, then they need to do a little more research about who they donate to. |
| I have to say that I agree with Heather. As an animal rights activist myself, I have seen some very good things go on at the legislative level. Unfortunately, these things do not come easy. It takes money and influence to even get your voice heard on animal rights issues. I do not support many of the financial practices of HSUS. Regardless, donating to the local humane society is highly important, but it serves as more of a band aid to a larger problem. Bringing awareness through activism and lobbying is the way to address the big picture. |
Lil Walty wrote: And again I want to drive the point that my local rescue does fundraising for specific animals and their health problems, but all the money goes into one account. Sometimes we get more than we need, should we then return the money or would it be ok to use it for something else? If it goes to a very similar function, such as the care of another animal that's one thing. But if they decided to spend it to lobby Washington for a universal vet care bill, that's quite another.Lil Walty wrote: I also think that if people donate to the HSUS and don't know that they also run legislative campaigns, then they need to do a little more research about who they donate to. Awww, that's just bullll. If they are raising funds they KNOW aren't going to the cause, and continue to raise funds far in excess of what they plan to use, then that is just plain fraudulent. They should disclose in large print (or the equivalent) on any materials that any excess funds may be used in other ways, and that would be OK if it was their intent to raise just sufficient funds.
But after they've raised millions for an issue on which they spend almost nothing, that's just a lie couched in flowery terms. I raised money here for a cause to send someone to a dog show. If there had been extra, would it have been OK for me to spend the excess to lobby in support of building a new bark park in my neighborhood? C'mon, H. The ends do NOT justify the means. It's apparent you like the organization and I don't, but for me it's not because of what they claim to stand for, it's because of how they have defrauded people to do it. When the Red Cross asks for specific disaster relief, they allow you to specify where your funds will be spent if you care to do so. Implicit (and explicit) in that is that if you don't they can spend it as they see their priorities. That's how an honest organization should do things, not resort to trickery. IMHO. |
| HSUS makes me so angry, with all the crap they send out in donation plea letters. They're spending big bucks sending personalized notepads, keychains, Christmas cards and address labels to people for the purpose of shaming the recipient into donating to them. This isn't helping the animals!
After the head of the HSUS's comment: "I don't have a hands-on fondness for animals...", I won't be donating to them. Anything I contribute from now on will be to a Rescue where the funds will go directly for doing good deeds, not tons of administrative costs and trinkets sent through the mail. As far as Michael Vick, I can't think of a sentence horrid enough to fit the crimes of he and his co-conspirators. |
| http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/
If only this were Vicks sentence. |
| "...Michael Vick's lawyer said Monday the NFL star will plead guilty to federal dogfighting conspiracy charges, putting the Atlanta Falcons quarterback's career in jeopardy and leaving him subject to a possible prison term..."
Source: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7132 ... >1=10347 |
6Girls wrote: "...Michael Vick's lawyer said Monday the NFL star will plead guilty to federal dogfighting conspiracy charges, putting the Atlanta Falcons quarterback's career in jeopardy and leaving him subject to a possible prison term..."
Source: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7132 ... >1=10347 GOOD! I hope the Falcons let him go and he does a lot of time. |
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