No doggie social skills
If she could talk I think she would say: come on wha? I am cute already!! just look at me! |
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| Can't help with your problem but have just been browsing your album and Laika is one of the most beautiful sheepies .
I love this one of her, such a peaceful scene 
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| haha just before that picture she ran about 5 crazy cicles! only counter clockwise. As my boyfriend noticed she only goes counter clockwise. |
spacegirl21 wrote: I cannot tell you how many times Laika gets snapped at and she won't learn! If she isn't using the big paws. Usually she is trying to what looks like give another dog a hug, she is licking their face especially around the mouth. WHich is the worst because their she is right in their faces. Replace Laika with Barkley and you're talking about my dog... He's been snapped at, barked at and lunged at more times than I can count. With the dogs in his classes, they usually get along really well after the first meeting (which doesn't always go so well) when they figure out that he's just a big goofball. Barkley also boxes, but only with dogs he's comfortable with, and only when it's playtime. A trainer told me that the reason other dogs sometimes react the way they do is because he's confident (he thinks he's people) and because he doesn't give off typical dog signals - no tail to wag, hair covers his eyes, ears blend into his head. I'm not sure where that came from, but it certainly seems plausible to me. So far it hasn't bothered him when other dogs snap/bark, he just looks at them with that "what's the big deal? Want to be my friend?" kind of sheepdog look. Funny enough, Barkley seems to get along really well with smaller dogs (Miniature Daschund, Cockapoo, CKC Spaniel). It's usually the dogs that are larger than he is (Mastiffs, GSDs, Great Danes) who are either afraid of him - cowering behind their owners - or agressive. spacegirl21 wrote: Do other sheepies have this attitude; where they think everyone must love them? I think it's hard-coded into the Sheepdog DNA, or at least it has been with the two I've had and most of the ones I've met over the years. Somewhere in that bouncy little mind of theirs they truly believe that everyone and everything should be their friend. Barkley thinks that other dogs, cats, sheep, deer, birds and inanimate objects (statues and large stuffed toys) should all want to play with him. I don't know if I have a solution or any real advice. We put Barkley's hair up when we know he'll be meeting other dogs, try to keep him calm and let them come up to him - especially with the little dogs - and generally just carry on. It's hardly the end of the world (though sometimes he thinks it is) if he can't play with everyone. spacegirl21 wrote: The last time a dog in obediance class actually drew blood.
How did Laika react to this? Hopefully she'll be able to pick up and carry on with no ill effects (new-found dog aggression, fear of a certain breed, etc...). She sounds like a very confident girl. |
spacegirl21 wrote: The last time a dog in obediance class actually drew blood. How did Laika react to this? Hopefully she'll be able to pick up and carry on with no ill effects (new-found dog aggression, fear of a certain breed, etc...). She sounds like a very confident girl.[/quote] She didn't freak out or cry she ran up to me but I ignored her, this and another time people rush up and coddle. I tell them to just ignore her. It works she isn't a suck. This dog never cries or whines! Once she settled down then did I look for how much damage. just a little scratch. I am in awe with this dog and how sweet and happy she is; I just want to hug her all the time. |
| It sounds like Laika feels that you'll protect her and that she doesn't have to fight back herself. However, totally ignoring her may teach her that being attacked is OK and that if she's hurt you'll just ignore her (at least, that's my opinion - I could be wrong). Perhaps a "Good girl, thanks for not reacting badly to that, sit, and here's a treat/praise/click/toy for coming over to see me" is another option. Not coddling, but not ignoring the incident either. So long as she doesn't show any adverse effects from the incident (refusal to go near a certain breed in the future, aggression towards dogs similar to the one that bit her), I'd guess she'll be just fine, but she probably won't change.
Might be a good idea to keep her on a leash/away from potential problem dogs - more for her safety than anything else. |
spacegirl21 wrote: ... she is licking their face especially around the mouth.
What does that licking at another dog's mouth really mean 
Beebles licks at Brody our Big Benji Boy's mouth He is not alpha in my 3 pack...Cassie OESX stands strong there Cassie & BeeBs are best buds ... Brody is sort of the odd man...oops pooch out 
BeeBs wants to be friends with all creatures ... no matter how many legs 
Diane |
Craig Duffield wrote: It sounds like Laika feels that you'll protect her and that she doesn't have to fight back herself. However, totally ignoring her may teach her that being attacked is OK and that if she's hurt you'll just ignore her (at least, that's my opinion - I could be wrong). Perhaps a "Good girl, thanks for not reacting badly to that, sit, and here's a treat/praise/click/toy for coming over to see me" is another option. Not coddling, but not ignoring the incident either. So long as she doesn't show any adverse effects from the incident (refusal to go near a certain breed in the future, aggression towards dogs similar to the one that bit her), I'd guess she'll be just fine, but she probably won't change.
Might be a good idea to keep her on a leash/away from potential problem dogs - more for her safety than anything else. yah I think I did the right thing. Like I said I checked her out once the dust settled. All I was saying I wasn't rushing to her and freak. Which I think is way worse. I don't think a dog will ever think it is okay to be attacked jeesh. |
3shaggies wrote: spacegirl21 wrote: ... she is licking their face especially around the mouth. What does that licking at another dog's mouth really mean Beebles licks at Brody our Big Benji Boy's mouth He is not alpha in my 3 pack...Cassie OESX stands strong there Cassie & BeeBs are best buds ... Brody is sort of the odd man...oops pooch out BeeBs wants to be friends with all creatures ... no matter how many legs Diane I know when puppies are hungry they lick the mothers mouth for food... |
| An adult dog licking a dog's face is generally considered an act of submission.
http://www.pets.ca/articles/article-doglick.htm Barkley has the same playful behaviour but also the opposite behaviour. He tends to show dominance by placing his chin on another dog's shoulder. |
| ... when puppies are hungry they lick the mothers mouth for food...
I had read that somewhere too BUT it just doesn't fit in these sheepie girls situations Diane  |
| I am going to agree with the submissive mentioned ealier with the mouth licking. She is good at knowing when to be submissive. She hangs with a chow sometimes. She is very submissive with the Chow which is good |
| The meaning of this gesture at this time in a puppy's life involves goodwill and acceptance. In effect, each puppy is saying, "Look how friendly I am." As the puppy matures, the message sent by licking continues to be friendly but is widened to also mean, "I'm no threat," and perhaps the submissive plea, "Please accept me and be kind."
http://www.pets.ca/articles/article-doglick.htm BeeBs is a bit pushy when she does this licking ...often it's like she is trying to run Brody off so SHE can get all the head pats & snuggles. It seems to work for her too
Brody just retreats 
Thought it was some sort of pecking order thingie Diane |
| Face licking in adult canines can be a sign of respect or deference to a more dominant dog. The dog doing the licking usually lowers its body to make itself smaller, and looks up, adding to the effect of juvenile behavior. The dog receiving the face licks shows its dominance by standing tall to accept the gesture, but does not lick the other dog in return.
http://www.pets.ca/articles/article-doglick.htm[/i] |
| that especially sounds like Laika and her Chow chow friend.
good find! thanks to everyone! |
| Poor Laika! These sheepies are so misunderstood!
Oscar, and our first sheepie, Quincy, always inspired the oddest reactions from other dogs, and I also concluded that it has to do with the difficulty other dogs have in reading their body language without the usual clues - wagging tail, ear position, etc. In addition, I think my sheepie gives off mixed signals. Oscar lays down when another dog approaches him, but then jumps up when the dog actually reaches him, usually provoking some sort of jumpiness on the part of the other dog - and understandably so. But then there are times when the approaching dog is 100 yards away and lunging at the end of the leash, barking, snarling, growling, going crazy trying to get at Oscar, and Oscar's paying no attention. Plus, with him being deaf, he doesn't hear any of the commotion, so he doesn't get a warning, he just gets attacked. Dog size doesn't seem to matter. Oscar is loved by a Yellow Lab and a Cocker Spaniel, but is reviled by a Cairn Terrier. 
Laurie |
| Hi everyone I've been reading the posts since we got our sheepie and have read a lot of useful information. It's good to hear that Angus is not the only one with the problems that we've read about. Angus is the same way whenever he meets any dog on our walks. He just wants to stop and play using those big paws and the other dogs are not big fans. They don't really want to have much to do with him which is hard because he expects everyone to be his best friend. He is so friendly he doesn't understand why we don't stop to play everytime we pass another dog he'll keep looking back untill they're out of site. |
Nova Scotia Sheepie wrote: Hi everyone I've been reading the posts since we got our sheepie and have read a lot of useful information. It's good to hear that Angus is not the only one with the problems that we've read about. Angus is the same way whenever he meets any dog on our walks. He just wants to stop and play using those big paws and the other dogs are not big fans. They don't really want to have much to do with him which is hard because he expects everyone to be his best friend. He is so friendly he doesn't understand why we don't stop to play everytime we pass another dog he'll keep looking back untill they're out of site.
Just looked at your pictures. Angus is absolutely adorable.  |
| I used to have so much trouble with Bosley going up to play with every dog he saw. He got into a couple scraps, for being rude, but now he is the one doing the diciplining..
He turned 2 years old in April, and his whole attitude at the dog park is changing. It has been a while since he has actually raced around, wrestled and played with another dog. Mostly now he just greets them nicely, jogs around and then just hangs out with a few....like being part of a gang. My boy is growing up 
Dixie is all for the humans, though... |
| Hi Nova scotia sheepie, your Angus is completely sheepie in his behaviour, I have one that thinks everything, everyone and every dog is wonderful and paw wacks a plenty.
He sounds like such a delight and bundle of fun, love his pictures.  |
My sheep dog does the month licking thing (since we got her) to one of my moms dogd(schnauzer) Her dog is scared of her even as a pup, yelps so high of a pitch it hurts our ears. If they are outside they are ok. In side she freaks out , she is getting better Sami will slither to her and lick her face and Mistys eyes are ready to pop out of her head.  Now thats its nice out and they are in and out they are doing better. But Sami still wants to lick around her face and she does not do it to my other dog or moms other schnauzer. |
Nova Scotia Sheepie wrote: Hi everyone I've been reading the posts since we got our sheepie and have read a lot of useful information. It's good to hear that Angus is not the only one with the problems that we've read about. Angus is the same way whenever he meets any dog on our walks. He just wants to stop and play using those big paws and the other dogs are not big fans. They don't really want to have much to do with him which is hard because he expects everyone to be his best friend. He is so friendly he doesn't understand why we don't stop to play everytime we pass another dog he'll keep looking back untill they're out of site.
YAH! another Nova Scotia sheepie just down the street!! YAH! |
| Hi, What you all are describing is exactly what Max is like around other dogs and people too!! Everywhere we go, he thinks that he is the star of the show and he expects everyone to acknowledge him!! He loves dogs of all sizes, though he prefers the little ones, and always uses his gigantic paws when he plays!! I definitely think that sometimes he is misunderstood by people who think I don't quite have the upper hand with him, but I just shrug it off. I do the best I can with him, and the only thing he is guilty of is loving everyone too much. What a unique breed of dog the OES is and that is why people are always mesmerized by them!!
Sharon |
| Laika was around a bunch of little sheltie puppies this weekend SWEET. She gets on the ground and slithers around from one to the other. She always gets down for little dogs SO CUTE! Loves it! They are the best dogs ever!! |
| That's so cute!! Max does the same thing with little dogs, he gets down at their level and stays low! I think he thinks that he is as small as they are. I've even seen Max crouch low to play with insects on the ground. He thinks any creature is fun to play with. |
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