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| Hi there! Sounds like you are in a tough situation and you came to a great place to get help with your pets.
Your dogs sound wonderful. Where are you located? There are lots of great Sheepdog Rescue organizations or perhaps an interested member will reach out to you through the forum but first we need to know where you are. I really hope you will let someone close to you know how you are feeling with the other aspects of your life. Best wishes, Val |
| I am in Arizona and have no one close to me. |
| Before you leave?
You sound very desperate and someone in need of help. PLEASE, reach out to those around you. Family, friends medical professionals to help you. Whatever is going on with you can be helped. If this is an emotional issue your pups can be of great comfort and healing. If you are dealing with a physical problem having your animal frieds around to help you cope can only be a positive thing. |
I'm climbing out of the woodwork to say to add that we are a whole community and can help you if you just need to talk or vent about things. If you are new here, please share a bit about yourself and your doggers.  ~Katie. |
| i am not really new here but I have not posted as I am somewhat shy. I have learned a great deal from the forum. I have no family or friends here in AZ. All I really have is the dogs, so I want to make sure they are taken care of. And the cats, as well. |
| Bellalover, sorry I'm confused are you the original poster? |
| Your dogs are gorgeous! Your pictures of them look so happy and cuddly.
As for people who are close to you, that could be someone who knows you well but lives far away or someone nearby you don't know so well, like a neighbor. Or just keep chatting here with us. But please don't do anything drastic. As long as you are alive, you never know what direction your life may go. |
| Sorry, I tried to change email adresses, but yes I am the orignal poster. |
| There is a rescue lady in your area that my parents adopted their sheepdog from.
Her information is available in another section of the forum. http://www.oes.org/html/oes_rescue.shtml |
| Your dogs really are beautiful and you are obviously a very loving and caring person to want to make sure that they are takening care of! Please don't feel alone! There are so many wonderful people on this forum who care. |
| Hello Bellas mum, I am thinking that you adopted Bella from me, please email me with your phone number so that I can give you a call. You must remember we have a great network of caring OES extended family who are more than happy to step up to the plate and help you - you are not being fair if you don't give us the chance. I have had more than my share of health problems, I know what it is like to be suicidal, I don't know what your problems are but there is no problem that is insurmountable, I dont know what your health is like but I do know that there are holistic, naturopathic and pharmaceuticals to help you, you jut have to find the right remedy and people are only too willing to help. I can tell you that if you decide to take the easy way out, at the very last minute you will regret it, and then it will be too late, the difficult solution is to act now the way you would want any one of us to - let us help you to enjoy life again. |
| I have PM'd this poster the Suicide Hotline number for Mesa Az and asked her to please call them or 911 if she feels that she is a danger to herself .
She is worried about her dogs ending up in the pound if she goes to the hospital. PLEASE, if anyone in that area can help care for her dogs while she gets the help she needs please get in touch with her. |
| Your dogs are adorable I wish that I lived closer to you as I am concerned after reading this thread. I wonder what has made you so sad. There was a time in my life when I was quite sad too and someone close to me suggested doing some volunteer work. Helping others is beneficial to you as well, you come to realize that your existence is monumental in the lives of others. Your dogs need you, your cat needs you and I am certain that you are invaluable to people that are in your life as well.
Call 1-800-273-talk if you are really in dire straits. I am going to say a prayer for you. |
| Hi,
Just wanted to let you know you are not alone from the forum stand point any way. I just sent you a pm. There are many of us here that care and will help you. Do you know how far Meza is from Las Vegas. Us Sheepie people stick together and you're part of that. Please hang in there all bad times eventually pass and the pain lessons. |
| Please don't leave such a large hole in the world. Our community would be devastated by your loss. I would be personally devastated.
Make a call to one of the numbers provided. |
| We've got a great chatroom on the forum- if you ever want to take advantage of it just let us know... someone is always in the mood to talk! |
| Mary, I am just beside myself worrying about you. Please check in and let us know that you are ok. There are so many wonderful caring people here, give us a chance to help you. |
| Mary, I sent you a private message earlier today. Please let me know how I
can help. Many of us have felt overwhelmed at times... sometimes by talking things through we can find solutions to problems that seem insurmountable. |
| Hey Mary, everyone, including Ginny and Jaci and I (Mandy) would like to know what's going on in your life. If you don't want to post it out for the world to see, each of us are here with open arms and an open ear.
I would think you'd want to stick around and see Bella's coat come back in once your elbow is better. We might not be in Arizona but we are just one click away and you already know all of us. By all means, hop in the chat and there will always be a member of this great family there. |
| Hi BellaLover,
Im Darcy and I live here in Phx Az...if you need to talk, please give me a call. or pm me with your phone number. Dont feel like you are alone...there are plenty of people out there who will listen and help. I get together with Baileys mom for playdates every few months...she lives in the Gilbert area...Im sure it would be just wonderful to add another sheepie or two to our group. |
| Yes, we're definitely here for you! Maybe you can plan on going to one of the sheepdog events like Sheepiepalooza or even meet up with a few of us up in MI at the sheepdog National in September. |
| I'm worried about you! Please contact any one of us to talk. I don't know your situation, but I can feel your pain and suffering. While noone's life circumstances are exactly the same, everyone at the forum is so empathetic and open to listening.
Please let us know how you are doing! |
This forum is really a huge and farflung family. We look out for each other in good times and bad, and are all ready and willing to help you in any way we can. Talk to us, you don't have to give details, but let us help you help yourself. Your lovely dogs will be lost without you  |
| Mary, Please contact one of us. You are NOT alone. You do have many people that care about you here .
We are all so worried about you. Please Mary PM one of us back. Antoinette |
| Hi Bellalover, Going to throw my two cents in for what it is worth. I am not sure what you mean by "before you can go", but if what we all think by reading your post is correct, I have to tell you considering suicide is the coward way out. About 10 years ago I was at the darkest part of my life. Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong. I was at rock bottom. I too, during that time, thought it would be easy just to end it all. But fortunately for me I am a coward, I just could not do it. At that time there was no light at the end of the tunnel, no hope,.. really no reason to go on., but for some reason, thank God, I did not throw in the towel. I wanted to, I mean really really wanted to, but did not do it. My depression lasted for over a year. I had to struggle and push every day just to function. Then one day, I started to realize a very small glimmer of hope. During this time I got involved with handicapped children. They made me realize how grateful I should be. I watched children with many, many disabilities accept there circumstances, cope with it, smile and never complain. Got to tell you these kids have taught me a great lesson in life.... whenever I think that I have been dealt a lousy hand in life I just look around and see that there are others who have it just a little bit worse than I do. I am now grateful for everything good and bad that happens in my life. I may not be the richest but I am also not the poorest. I may not be the most handsome, but I am certainly not ugly. I have a bed to sleep in every night, food to eat, and clothes to wear. I have all my limbs and all of my senses. I can go on with my blessings. The point I am trying to make here is that even though you may see no ray of hope now, no light at the end of the tunnel, there is, there will be, just hang on. Life is an adventure you have to experience the lows to really appreciate the highs. I guess you are just experiencing a low. If you need someone to talk with just reach out. I am not sure what your circumstances may be but I do know that nothing is that bad that it is worth ending a life, NOTHING. It's just the coward way out. And if for no other reason, you need to stick around for the sake of your dogs and cats. Noone will care for them as good as you can NOONE. If you are unable to care for them properly right now, just ask for some help. You took on the responsibility to care for them for their lifetime and you owe it to them to stick around until you have fulfilled that obligation. So I guess you have got another 15 or so years to go before you can think about checking out. Last but not least SMILE. Even if you don't want to, even if you do not feel like it, even if you really do not mean it, JUST DO IT. Oh and by the way if for some reason we are all wrong and you are just talking about maybe "going" on vacation, I am going to have to fly to Arizona and smack you upside the head.  Take good care my friend, there are alot of people who care about you. Jack |
| I've been to the place where you feel as though the world and those you love would be better off without you. I was a lot more lucky than smart and emerged on a much better side of that deep, dark place. Since that time, many things have changed in my life and in the world. There is better and more effective help for people dealing with depression, for one thing.
For another, I got smarter and wiser and figured out that it is possible to come out of some really bad places to find happiness and even joy. I also learned, to my deep regret, what it is like to lose someone I love deeply. When temptation grows for me, I remind myself of that kind of hurt and won't inflict it on others. You sound as though you feel alone. Maybe you feel that no one would care or feel the loss if you leave. Nothing could be further from the truth. You were put here for a purpose. You are needed. You are loved. The world would not be the same place without you--it would be diminished by so much! I realize that may not seem to be true just right now, but trust me. You've trusted this forum to help you with your dogs. Please trust me when I say that the best thing you can do for your animals is to get better. Please trust all of us when we say that we care about you and want to help you feel better. Please keep posting for us. |
| Has anyone heard anything from Mary (Bellalover) ?
Antoinette |
| I know it is a bit risky to post my number but, here it goes
910-262-0534 Please call me anytime if you need to talk ANYTIME!!! I am up late so you can call Or send me your number and I can call you I would love to talk to you Please again feel free to call me anytime |
| Having felt the way you talked about, I do know the feeling. But time passed, I talked to a lot of professionals, took medication. The medication did help. I could not tell my family or freinds how bad it was. I did complain, but not the true extent of the terror that live caused me. Ttthe thing that stopped me many times from just giving in was the look my fuzzies gave me. They loved me, they listened, they layed next to me while I cried until I threw up. Like you I wanted to make sure that they would be taken care of. The search to be sure that they would be ok lasted long past the time it took for the dispare to lessen.
The some what funny thing was that it took me lossing the job that made me sick, to find a glimmer of light. I got better, and I hug my animals all the time. Dispare is so heavy and it makes me so sad to know that no matter how much we do understand we can not address this weight for you. They are many programs and people that can help, please give it another try. There may come a day when you can make a difference to someone you don't know yet. GOOD LUCK |
| Kathy
Your phone number is already on the Internet. You're a rescue angel! I am hoping that Bella's Mom will contact you by phone or someone else via e-mail or PM. Mary, Many people are thinking of you, and I, for one am sending prayers and white light your way that you will allow us -- or at least one of us to help you climb out of that dark hole. It's only temporary, I promise. You are the best person for your dogs to live with. But if you feel you can't care for them -- or -- if you just need a temporary place for them to stay while you get help, we can help you with that too. Kathy ---guest wrote: I know it is a bit risky to post my number but, here it goes 910-262-0534 Please call me anytime if you need to talk ANYTIME!!! I am up late so you can call Or send me your number and I can call you I would love to talk to you Please again feel free to call me anytime |
| Bellalover has not picked up any of my PM's since Thursday noon, prior to that we had been PMing back and forth. I was able to obtain a phone number, which I believe to be hers and have tried it several time with no answer (of course it could be incorrect).
My hope is, since she had not been on line, that she did seek help as many encouraged her to. I think now all we can do is wait and hope she comes back at some point to tell us she is ok. |
| Thanks for the update Tasker's Mom. I sent her two PM's that haven't been opened. I hope she and her Sheepie's are OK. |
| My PM to her hasn't been opened either
Poor thing, she probably had dozens of PMs to wade through 
All of us are thinking about you Mary...hope you are feeling better!  |
ravenmoonart wrote: My PM to her hasn't been opened either
Poor thing, she probably had dozens of PMs to wade through All of us are thinking about you Mary...hope you are feeling better! Well, if nothing else at least when she checks her PM's she will know we care  |
| Has anyone heard from Mary?
I hope that she is Ok and that her and her pets are being cared for by someone some where! If someone has her number can the police not trace the address to check that she is ok? Mary - if you read this you have many people who are concerned about you and want to help you. Please give us a chance. |
| This is serious. Did anyone get an e-mail address or phone number for her. Ron, do you have the ability to access her via her IP address etc? The Police Department can track if needed. This sounded pretty bad. Also, did anyone have communication with her via PM, e-mail wise, or telephonically after the post...it could be a prank but it also could be really bad. Also, check the shelters in the area. She may have given them up...or would have made the same statements to them as well.
PLEASE PM me with the info and I will get it to where it needs to go. I need some good info though and we can find out where she is and whether this is legit or not. |
| 7skydive, I read this after I received your PM. Yes we realize this could be very serious or just a prank. As early as last week contact was made with the Mesa Police by a couple people on the Forum. Ron has done much to provide them with what we have been able to put together. The police have a phone number and address that we believe to be current.
For most of us who had been PMing her the PM's stopped on Thursday miday and none have been picked up since. My hope is that she is getting help. I do not know if Ron has had any follow up with the police. |
7skydive wrote: If anyone has a phone number then that is all that is needed for a track to where she specifically lives and Law Enforcement can do a health and wellness check. PM me or let the local PD know and give them copies of the e-mail. pm thread. They can do the rest. We can get an answer for better or worse with this info. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE |
| My understanding is that at least two people have been in touch with the Mesa police dept and have provided them with pretty detailned info. |
| Ginny is correct. Since day one a bunch of us have tried for days to get help for her. I did not want to post to much information on the Forum but at this point I don't think it would do any harm.
We searched and did find her home address and also phone number . I personally contacted the Mesa police department and told them I would like them to check on a friend that seemed to be distraught . In the days following I have repeatedly called back the police department just to get the run around and no one knowing what I was talking about. I also called the main department at the Suicide hot line office. Again nothing. I have also called to where I was told she may work. Nothing. Ron also suggested to call the local animal pounds (again to see if her dogs were brought in).Nothing. We have tried everything to find her and get her help with no luck. I do not believe it was a prank due to the people I have been able to get in touch with that have known her in the past. I just pray she got the help she needed from someone. The only other thing I could say is reading her post she talked about taking her dogs to the dog park, doing a search near her location that dog park would be 'Cosmo Dog Park, 2502 E. RayRoad Mesa Az. ' For the people that may live near the park if you have time to swing by there and peak for a few OES running and playing you may find our missing member 'Mary'. If anyone need anymore info. that I may have please PM me. This forum is full of amazing people and please know there are so many still trying to help in this matter. Antoinette |
| I have no new info...but I just wanted to say how impressed I am with how the people on this forum have responded to this. Antoinette, Ginny, Ron, and everyone else who is trying to help....wow....you guys are amazing.
Mary,....I really hope that rather than finding this embarrassing, or intrusive, that you are seeing how many, and how good, of friends you have. |
| I was contacted by someone who knows just a little more. I really don't want to say anymore, but I want to let you know that the original poster was "checked in on" on the 10th, the same day she posted.
I hope if she comes back to the forum to visit, that she sees just how much we love her and stand ready to help and be friendly and talk and chat and PM and be supportive and listen and offer everything to her that we would to any member of our families and communities. On the forum, through email, on the phone, even in person. |
| Praise the Lord. |
| Ron,
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You cannot imagine how relieved I am to hear that bit of information. There has not been a day I have not worried about her. I hope she somehow knows, or can sense that we are here for her when she feels better. Ginny |
| Ron - thank you so much for the update!
I am so glad that I found this forum and found such great friends. |
| I am glad to read the update. I hope that it will be ok. |
| Ron, you're an angel.....Thanks for going above and beyond......Kathy |
| Everyone here is so wonderful. I hope things are okay. |
| hello, my friends in the forum,
I want to thank you all for your concerns. I spoke with Ron at length. I am so very sorry I worried you so much. I and my beautiful sheepdogs are very much OK. I have taken steps to get some help with other issues and am confident I can work through them, I can't imagine life without my beautiful dogs. Many of you sent me PM's and I did not respond to all of them. Once again, I thank you for your concern and hope to continue to participate in the forum. Mary Mom of Bella and JoJo |
| What a wonderful update!
I pray everything works out for you the way you want it too. Welcome Back!!! |
| Good to hear from you!
Welcome back! We are all here whenever and if ever you need us! |
| so great to hear from you keep us posted if there is anything you need |
| Mary,
It is so VERY good to hear from you!!! I do hope you will continue with the forum, this is a great group of people and you will find lots of fun and support here.
Ginny |
| Welcome back, Mary. I'm looking forward to hearing more about Bella and Jo Jo! |
| Welcome Back, Mary! I hope you and your babies are staying cool during this heat wave.
Sue |
| Oh Mary I'm so glad you are OK!! I've been praying for you. Let us know how you get on with your dogs- I feel sure you can find a way around your problems, there are always lots of people to help, you just need to take a deep breath and ASK! We are all here for you if you need anything, just post or PM.
I know it's a long way from the UK to you, but if there is anything I can do to help, just send me a PM. You must love your beautiful dogs very much, please keep in touch and let us know how you are getting on, even if you are having a hard time, maybe we can help in some way. Lots of love to you and your dogs, God bless. Cassie xx |
| I'm so glad to hear that things are going well.
Thanks so much for the update. Great big hugs to the three of you! |
| Thank you so much Mary for coming back and letting us know that youre doing well! What a great piece of good news to read here! |
| Mary, I can't tell you how great it is to here from you!
Please always remember this is a amazing group of people on this forum and we will always be there to talk to ......No Matter what ! God bless you ' friend '............ Antoinette |
 hey Hey it is good to hear that you are doing better and that you and your fuzzies are ok. I for one know how hard it is sometimes to deside to get help with some problems. But how great it is to get help. I hope that yours contiues to make your life better.  |
| I am very glad to hear from you and to read that things are going better for you! |
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