stubborn sheepie, are their others???
Any suggestions and training tips i can use to help??? |
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Sounds like a sheepdog. I think stubbornness is a breed trait 
Have you tried obedience classes? Positive reinforcement training is really what works for these guys. |
| Hello and welcome to the foum!
How old is Maggie may? You have to be consistant and firm with her. When you are training her ask her to do someting once and then show her what you mean. Praise her for doing things right and give her treats. It takes time but it works! Good luck |
| It's a sheepie thing.
Sometimes people don't think they are very smart because they don't always do what you ask....I think they are too smart to always do what you ask. 
They know exactly what you want, they just don't want the same thing
Obedience training and positive reinforcement is a must. You just need to figure out what motivates Maggie and use that. |
| Welcome to the forum, and to Selective Hearing©
*Selective Hearing, © Copyright c. 1621, Old English Sheepdogs |
Ron wrote: Welcome to the forum, and to Selective Hearing©
*Selective Hearing, © Copyright c. 1621, Old English Sheepdogs If that is the case my Mom would swear I was part Old English Sheepdog   |
| Selective hearing? My husband has that trait!
Seriously, get yourself into obedience class if possible. Or take some private classes at home if going out can't be done due to your schedule. At the very least, read some good books on positive training...Volhard writes a good one, as does Ian Dunbar and my favorite book is "How to Raise a Puppy You can Live with" by Clarice Rutherford. Even if you don't have a puppy, it is an excellant resource. Sounds like your dog knows needs some help with realizing it is YOUR house and not his.... Sheepies are stubborn. That is one of the traits. Cute, but can be diffcult! And the bigger they get and the more teeth they get, the less cute they become if they are the ones "calling the shots"... |
| You would swear Breena was a donkey the way she acts. Puppy classes have really made a world of difference. She is most stubborn when it comes to walks and our trainer suggested a haulty/gentle harness. Wow did that help. But still sometimes I give a command and she looks at me like "Yeah I'll do it later." We are a work in progress. |
| Hi,
Border Collies are rated as the number one dogs in order of intellegence so I can see where the OES compares to it's sibling in the household. But....yup there's a but it's often said that while Sheepies may be difficult to train sometimes..once they are ,you'll have such an intelligent dog. You see most books claim that they often have to think for themselves and thus viewed by people as "untrainable" or not so intelligent..drat that Disney cartoon which didn't help their case...duh..which way did they go..lol. Their giant stuffed animal look also contributes to how people view them as full of fluff even in the brain dept. Their heritage goes back to droving (taking the sheep to the market with the farmer) or guarding and often had to think for themselves when in those positions. Once they acknowledge the alpha of the pack (this should be you) they are incredibly smart. A little bit of obedience ( I know it's difficult as the busier your household gets) kinda like the second child or more syndrome..but whatever work you put in now will be paid back in years and years to come. You'll have a wonderful behaved member of the family and it's worth the effort.
Good luck to you! Marianne and the boys |
| The stubborn trait of the OES is well out weighed by the endless love, loyalty and "puppy forever cuteness" you will receive!
Good luck
Lori |
| Stubborn sheepies roll call:
London Lucky Sam |
| Selective hearing sheepies, brie and Kelsey. Food works wonders for there hearing. They like the sound of the plastic wrappers coming off the treat, no problems then with hearing, ZOOOOM over to mom.
Clicker training is great too, have you tried that? |
| re there any OES who are not stubborn? I haven't had one yet.
Selective hearing? Oh. Yes. Indeed. What helps with selective hearing is that they hate to be ignored. Or abandoned. So, if I walk away or get interested in something else--or someone else! I'm suddenly the center of attention. I confess to being bad at clicker training because I'm just not that coordinated. However, the part that I am good at is recognizing and rewarding small, incremental pieces of behavior that I want to encourage. One of the first things we learned in puppy class was to get our puppies to sit and then lay down: without words, but by luring with tiny bits of treat (and clickers, but as I said, I'm bad at clickers). Now, even though it's been months since we were at class, Sophie automatically sits for any treat she thinks she has a chance at getting. And if she knows I have something she wants, but I haven't offered it to her when she sat, she will lay down. And wait very patiently. |
| My non-OES are the stubborn ones-- especially Lucy. Clyde is my easiest. I never have to ask him for something twice. Stubborn is not a word that I'd use to describe him. I think he's too lazy to be stubborn. |
| I always like to think that sheepdogs work on their own schedule. Unlike a Golden Retriever or such, they don't just do whatever you tell them to without question, they want to know why they should do it and the reason had better be a damn good one! |
| LeighPea, I'm going through something quite similar with my puppy. Although people have vast opinions about training OES and which way is best, I think it should fit each individual dog....Some dogs are great and take to training immediately, others, well, a lil' "ruff" round the edges...
Loads of praise, and bonding are indeed a must (from the improvements I've seen thus far with my puppy)....I know once puppies think they are being forced into something, they get very stubborn and try to retreat. It's not fun anymore and they might wind up spiteful in the long run. I have obedience classes lined up in the VERY near future. I wish you the best of luck LeighPea... |
| LOL, that sounds like Dutch and food is the only damn good one
Maxmm wrote: they want to know why they should do it and the reason had better be a damn good one! |
Marianne wrote: Hi,
Border Collies are rated as the number one dogs in order of intellegence so I can see where the OES compares to it's sibling in the household. But....yup there's a but it's often said that while Sheepies may be difficult to train sometimes..once they are ,you'll have such an intelligent dog. You see most books claim that they often have to think for themselves and thus viewed by people as "untrainable" or not so intelligent..drat that Disney cartoon which didn't help their case...duh..which way did they go..lol. Their giant stuffed animal look also contributes to how people view them as full of fluff even in the brain dept. Good luck to you! Marianne and the boys Well you got one right, Border collies are rated number 1 in intellegence, however , your beloved sheepie is about 63rd,,,not really impressive, and downright dumb as far as dogs are concerned. I do have one.....cant say it was the smartest choice i ever made in a dog....wish more people were honest when they tell people about this breed. Fun dog...kinda cute....but smart.......i think not.....lol |
| Gee guest that is a bit hard,your opinion on the breed, OES are very trainable and can be quite smart, we have ones here that excell in obedience, agility, tracking and herding and can outdo borders and other breeds known for being exceptional at this type of training & activity.
What a lot of people don't realise is this breed is very late maturing, yes brains grow when they are around 3 ish, JMO. That's where a lot of people are mistaken about the intelligence of this breed because they do take longer to grow up |
| Some are smart, some not so much.
My first guy wasn't the brightest bulb in the pack, but he was a smart, fearless defender of my wife and property. He just wasn't easily trainable. Not only was he stubborn, but he just wasn't eager to please. Others have been more timid, more eager to please and more trainable. Does that make them smarter? |
One source for discussion of dog intelligence is Stanley Coren, The Intelligence of dogs. (Forgot the exact title.)  He's a psychologist and after much reserach evaluated different breeds according to four distinct measures that looked at things like ability to be trained easily, creative thinking etc. I seem to remember that Sheepies were rather high on the creative thing part. Certainly, the things Willoughby comes up with when he's bored would support that view. He just removed a doorstop from the baseboard when I was on the phone last evening! |
Anonymous wrote: Well you got one right, Border collies are rated number 1 in intellegence,
however , your beloved sheepie is about 63rd,,,not really impressive, and downright dumb as far as dogs are concerned. I do have one.....cant say it was the smartest choice i ever made in a dog....wish more people were honest when they tell people about this breed. Fun dog...kinda cute....but smart.......i think not.....lol What did I just say? They do not train like these dogs who readily do whatever you want just because you said so. They learn and train differently. In my opinion, Goldens are actually the stupid ones because they'll do whatever you tell them to. Teach them to retrieve enough and you can throw a ball off the cliff and they'll just follow it over; not so with a sheepdog. It also helps to be smarter than the animal you are working with but that's just a start. |
| Hey, don't pick on my Golden...he'll stop and think about about it for a sec before he follows that ball |
Maxmm wrote: Anonymous wrote: Well you got one right, Border collies are rated number 1 in intellegence, however , your beloved sheepie is about 63rd,,,not really impressive, and downright dumb as far as dogs are concerned. I do have one.....cant say it was the smartest choice i ever made in a dog....wish more people were honest when they tell people about this breed. Fun dog...kinda cute....but smart.......i think not.....lol What did I just say? They do not train like these dogs who readily do whatever you want just because you said so. They learn and train differently. In my opinion, Goldens are actually the stupid ones because they'll do whatever you tell them to. Teach them to retrieve enough and you can throw a ball off the cliff and they'll just follow it over; not so with a sheepdog. It also helps to be smarter than the animal you are working with but that's just a start. Yea youre probably right...i think thousands of dog trainers, law enforcement people, and dog specialists of every kind are probably just not as smart as the dogs they are testing and evaluating for intelligence. But you on the other hand, with the hair clip on your dogs head, Must be the one in the know. The point is, its all well and good between yourselves to call a dog "stubborn" or "strong willed" but when joe or jenny average wants to get a sheepdog and asks for advice, they need to be told that as far as the rest of the world is concerned....the breed is as dumb as a sack of round river rocks, and if you want a dog that can at least QUICKLY learn basic commands and proper obedience without chucking him so full of rich treats that you have to clean his own butt for him once a week ...please please please...get a german shephard or a semi intelligent dog....anything but this floppy dumb , bull in a china shop doofus that while cute, is a huge pain in the rear as far a well behaved dog goes.I just hate the sugar coating....maybe there's someone somewhere with a sheepie that they have invested damn near their every waking moment in training and now it knows how to sit and stay but after the one i own now and the few friends that have had them that i have spoken with....id say its rare. |
Ok... 
Hey Carl....I think I just joined your "no Guest posters" camp
by the way, "guest"...My dogs sit and stay. My trainer (a person with many years of experience working with herding breeds) says that my young guy is a dream to work with. Maybe he's just a one- in-a-million sheepie genius?...I'd love to think so! |
Wow! 
I would like the add my two cents here..... Stubborn... YES! But these dogs are very intelligent. I think they like to act stupid, so you don't expect too much out of them.
If they weren't, how do you explain my male unlocking and opening a door. With training, OES are very willing to please their owners. I have lived with 3 OES in my life and all have been exceptionally intelligent. I think people get the dumb impression because of the hair over the eyes.... Or cartoon which have portrayed them that way. Anyone who has spent anytime training an OES knows that they are very capable of learning anything you want to teach them. OES are not followers, they are leaders. Which explains why they are so good at herding. But also stubborn, so they NEED to be trained. Guest, Have you owned a German Shepherd? I have and he was dumb as dirt. Yeah he knew basic commands and a few tricks, but would run into walls and just always do dumb things. Also the amount of hair that comes off a German Shepherd each day is enough hair to cover a bald toy poodle. Yuck!
I loved my German Shepherd to bits, but he was stupid. I would never own one again because of the amount of hair they shed. I hated the hair everywhere. As soon as I'd get done vacumming I needed to do it again. Too each his own I say!!! I would much prefer a laidback OES over a hyper Border Collie or a German Shepherd any day. Golden's are cute, but they also have the hair issues. Also I would like to add that OES are not used for Police Training because they don't have the attack instinct. Which in my opinion is a good thing. They are lovable friendly family dogs. |
Anonymous wrote: Yea youre probably right...i think thousands of dog trainers, law enforcement people, and dog specialists of every kind are probably just not as smart as the dogs they are testing and evaluating for intelligence. But you on the other hand, with the hair clip on your dogs head, Must be the one in the know.
Actually your are right, she would know! That dog you are looking at is a Champion. She also owns quite a few other OES and works in law enforcement. |
| Maxxum, that reason usually is..."what's in it for me!" |
| Hey "Guest"-- I'm sure there are people on this site that would gladly take your "floppy dumb , bull in a china shop doofus" off your hands and give it a loving home. |
ravenmoonart wrote: Ok...
Hey Carl....I think I just joined your "no Guest posters" camp by the way, "guest"...My dogs sit and stay. My trainer (a person with many years of experience working with herding breeds) says that my young guy is a dream to work with. Maybe he's just a one- in-a-million sheepie genius?...I'd love to think so! Carl is right with this policy your just leaving the door open for trouble makers to come in and post and then sit back and laugh at all the posts |
| C'mon folks. Don't take this kind of post so seriously. Laugh with the poster!
We all know the OES isn't at the top of the list when it comes to certain behaviors that are considered to be the hallmarks of "intelligence". They have a personality type that we love. Guest, if you want the top of the line, Really really REALLY smart breed, that can be trained to do the most remarkable things, can support you financially in your old age and will outlive you... have a child.
Besides, GSDs need to learn to stand up straight. |
| Well, I am at a bit of a loss. Who formulated the correlation between accessorizing your pet with a lack of intelligence? I must not have been alert when the results of this study were published.
Indulge me for a moment here guest: “Did you at all research breed prior to acquiring your pet? It sounds as though you are quite well versed on border collies and I wonder why you did not choose a border collie to join your household.” Sure, my Fred is not as graceful as a prima ballerina but then again this is one of the qualities that endear him to me so very much. I love this ball of energy and fur that has taken up residency in my home and heart. Now, as to intelligence, my boy is quite astute. One might take note of his stubborn nature and misinterpret this personality trait for a lack of intelligence. What the previous posters have written is correct, an OES wants to be privy to the, “Why?” It requires patience and repetition to have a dog that does not roll over and plays dead the minute you ask it to. Not everyone is willing to devote the time and energy required to work with any dog. Original poster: The sooner you get into obedience class the better your relationship with your furry friend is going to be. It takes patience and love. Good luck. |
| I dunno. Any dog will be difficult to train if the trainer doesn't have basic understanding and respect for the dog--in addition to some basic skills and common sense.
I tend to think that the ease with which most dogs train is directly related to the skill of their trainer. Of course, I'm prejudiced because my OES trained very easily for pretty much everything. Sure, with 3 of them some treats were involved, but a smart trainer knows that a dog will work just as hard for a tiny bit of something as for a whole big chunk. The other OES is that rareity: one who is not really motivated much by food, but adores playing with his people and his toys, so we used that as his 'treat' for performance. Which doesn't mean that OES don't have opinions of their own. My first OES grew more opinionated the older he grew. But very, very smart. He was so legendary that grown friends of my grown son had tears in their eyes at his passing. We're lucky to have three others to fill the void. As puppies, OES tend to be a bit clumbsy because they are so big so fast--it takes a while to catch up in coordination. And while my OES (in long coat) will never be great at catching frisbees, I've seen them jump into the air and do 360s mid air. They look clumbsy and like giant muppets, but watching mine run, I am always impressed by their agility and their powerful strength. I grew up with lots of dogs of various breeds, and after a lot of research into good family dogs, I chose OES for my own, not once but 4 times. |
| Geeze, it never fails to amaze me the comments people make about certain breeds (and rescue dogs , another topic) I believe that all doga are trainable it just depends on the trainer!!! I have a GSD and two labs plus a sheepdog. I have used a trainer that trains the breed. I have to say they all had a hard time keeping focused when Guinness was in the ring because he was so cute and they were focused on his butt!! because of how sheepies walk. AND he was soooo cute. Labs train differently than GSD( ever read Marley and me???) and yes some dogs are just a big dufus but hopefully they end up in a home that loves them for other reasons.... I hate it when people make fun of other breeds. I am not a total sheepdog house hold but love the breed just the same. My OES is hardheaded but I think quite smart. I have trained him a little differently than my GSD and Labs. My dogs are not perfect when guests arrive they wiggle and bark and (my labs) drool a little but we love them just the same. Yes I would love to put them in a sit stay untill they calm down but I have not enforced this behavior so my dogs don't do it. If you don't work with the dog and let them know what is expected then they don't know what to do.
Unless it is a German Shepherd Dog 
sorry Ron I could not resist |
| wow, I am new to this site and I do feel sorry for quests dog. I am also sure someone would take your dog and love it lots, the dog probably does not care for you either and gave up on you. I have a 6 month old sheepie and do not have any training problems with her. My only problem is when we are done with her runs outside she does not want to get back in the car or the house. To heck with the back yard or house wants to be out front just like a little kid. So on goes the leash. Problem solved. Does that make them dumb naaa just having fun. I think these quys are smarter then we give them credit for. I think they know exactly what we want and want to know whats in it for them. And they ponder over it until they make up their minds. I love the breed so much I am planning on an 2nd in the fall. |
Ron wrote: C'mon folks. Don't take this kind of post so seriously. Laugh with the poster!
Sorry, Ron...I see your point, but considering how rude they were to Mandy, I'd prefer to see us all laugh AT this poster!  |
Oh dear! Willoughby is my third OES. Last evening on our cemetary walk we were sitting in the Chinese Pagoda. We have sitting spots all over on our walks, (for me, not him.) Willoughby had a cookie, each time for "sit, down and give me your paw."And then he came over to me and put his paws around me and buried his head in my lap so I could scratch his ears and head.  Yes, he bounces around, doesn't always listen, wants to climb trees after the squirrels and can be a handful. But he's a real person :affectionate and a good listener. what more could I ask?  |
Pepsi's Mommy wrote: Actually your are right, she would know! That dog you are looking at is a Champion. She also owns quite a few other OES and works in law enforcement. ravenmoonart wrote: Sorry, Ron...I see your point, but considering how rude they were to Mandy, I'd prefer to see us all laugh AT this poster!
Thank you my people!!!! What I don't understand is why someone would come to a sheepdog website and bash sheepdogs? P.S. I'm pretty sure this person has been here before with this same rant; as though they are protecting the world from all of us and our quest to repopulate the world with obnoxiously stupid dogs. Maybe they're just a glutton for punishment? If you want that, go over to the Republicans site for a while and advocate Hilary and take your beatings from them. |
Maxmm wrote: I'm pretty sure this person has been here before with this same rant; as though they are protecting the world from all of us and our quest to repopulate the world with obnoxiously stupid dogs.
Shhhh your giving away our secrets and alteria motives of this forum for Sheepies to rule the world Hail the all mighty Sheepies |
lisaoes wrote: Maxmm wrote: I'm pretty sure this person has been here before with this same rant; as though they are protecting the world from all of us and our quest to repopulate the world with obnoxiously stupid dogs. Shhhh your giving away our secrets and alteria motives of this forum for Sheepies to rule the world Hail the all mighty Sheepies The Sheepie Illuminati?  |
ravenmoonart wrote: lisaoes wrote: Maxmm wrote: I'm pretty sure this person has been here before with this same rant; as though they are protecting the world from all of us and our quest to repopulate the world with obnoxiously stupid dogs. Shhhh your giving away our secrets and alteria motives of this forum for Sheepies to rule the world Hail the all mighty Sheepies WoHAHAHA, I like it! Let them think sheepies are stupid. While all the others are sitting obediently or chasing balls incessantly, the Woollie Cosa Nostra take over the dog world. From now on, Buff will be known as Vinnie the Nose..... |
| The General is calling up recruitments for the world wide domination campaign, Sheepie army going into battle soon to take over the world.
Shhhh top secret invasion force being recruited as we speak.
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Anonymous wrote: Maxmm wrote: Anonymous wrote: Well you got one right, Border collies are rated number 1 in intellegence, however , your beloved sheepie is about 63rd,,,not really impressive, and downright dumb as far as dogs are concerned. I do have one.....cant say it was the smartest choice i ever made in a dog....wish more people were honest when they tell people about this breed. Fun dog...kinda cute....but smart.......i think not.....lol What did I just say? They do not train like these dogs who readily do whatever you want just because you said so. They learn and train differently. In my opinion, Goldens are actually the stupid ones because they'll do whatever you tell them to. Teach them to retrieve enough and you can throw a ball off the cliff and they'll just follow it over; not so with a sheepdog. It also helps to be smarter than the animal you are working with but that's just a start. Yea youre probably right...i think thousands of dog trainers, law enforcement people, and dog specialists of every kind are probably just not as smart as the dogs they are testing and evaluating for intelligence. But you on the other hand, with the hair clip on your dogs head, Must be the one in the know. The point is, its all well and good between yourselves to call a dog "stubborn" or "strong willed" but when joe or jenny average wants to get a sheepdog and asks for advice, they need to be told that as far as the rest of the world is concerned....the breed is as dumb as a sack of round river rocks, and if you want a dog that can at least QUICKLY learn basic commands and proper obedience without chucking him so full of rich treats that you have to clean his own butt for him once a week ...please please please...get a german shephard or a semi intelligent dog....anything but this floppy dumb , bull in a china shop doofus that while cute, is a huge pain in the rear as far a well behaved dog goes.I just hate the sugar coating....maybe there's someone somewhere with a sheepie that they have invested damn near their every waking moment in training and now it knows how to sit and stay but after the one i own now and the few friends that have had them that i have spoken with....id say its rare. Hey, can you remove this site from your bookmarks, guest? Don't come on an OES site to bash the dog that people here love and cherish. You're not going to convince anyone here that they aren't great dogs and you're in the minority with what you think is a "dummy." Everyone here appreciates advice and honest opinions but don't blame your dog for yourinability to train him. He probably knows what you say about him and that's why he doesn't do anything you say. |
| My dumb sheepdog figured out that if he doesn't come when called, the next time he's called his dumb owner will have a piece of food in her hand |
| I think Mandys performance in the ring at westminister speaks volumes for her!! Nothing more needs to be said My sheepdog knows that no matter what he does I still love him (and yes there are cookies at the end of the tunnel ) |
Maxmm wrote: Pepsi's Mommy wrote: Actually your are right, she would know! That dog you are looking at is a Champion. She also owns quite a few other OES and works in law enforcement. ravenmoonart wrote: Sorry, Ron...I see your point, but considering how rude they were to Mandy, I'd prefer to see us all laugh AT this poster! Thank you my people!!!! What I don't understand is why someone would come to a sheepdog website and bash sheepdogs? P.S. I'm pretty sure this person has been here before with this same rant; as though they are protecting the world from all of us and our quest to repopulate the world with obnoxiously stupid dogs. Maybe they're just a glutton for punishment? If you want that, go over to the Republicans site for a while and advocate Hilary and take your beatings from them. I thought the same thing. The rant was very similar and definitely rung a bell. |
| I could make a convincing argument for "Guest" just based upon pictures from our photo gallery. |
| I think we all knew what we where getting into when we got an OES. If you search temperment you get:
Is enthusiastic, bouncy, and bumptious, and loves to romp and play also The Old English Sheepdog is a playful, affectionate, fun-loving "clown," who delights in frolicking with his family and neighborhood children. In fact, adolescence in the OES often extends to approximately age three and your adult OES will retain his playful demeanor well into his golden years. This is why I picked an OES for a dog, I had a GSD mix. Sure she was super smart; but I couldn't trust her temperment. She was way to protective. I know I should let sleeping dogs lie but I couln't help but respond |
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Annie would like to help out in a sheepie fighter plane!  |
| I could complain about all of Maggie May's issues and antics, but she is a truely wonderful addition to our family. She talks to me all of the time and reminds me of my grandmother the way she grunts whenever she lays down. All 65 lbs. of her has figured out how to sneak up on the bed after i fall asleep, she is completely enthralled by flies and will try to catch them for an hour straight. We call her a bear the way she walks and bounces and laugh for hours because she tries (and fails miserably) to jump for sticks (like our border collie). Blankets are her favorite to tug and play with, she plays hide and seek, or cat and mouse between the blanket and her other toys! And, when i cry i get the wettest, yuckiest, most loving kisses ever (the border collie runs and hides---such a man!) The sheepdogs are a fabulous breed, i'm sure all of you can share in the happiness they bring into our lives (or you wouldn't be here!) |
| Danielle Wrote:
Quote: You would swear Breena was a donkey the way she acts.
ROTFLMAO. Yep that would describe Bunkie. You know they alwasy have this stupid look on their faces but that mind is always working especially if it involves food or cookies. On Saturday Jay had her while I was at a fashion show and she walked into the exercise bike peddle (She has long hair right now), so he's tell me this later on and Fattie comes walking over towards me and guess what??? Right into the same peddle again. Looks good just not to bright sometimes. Has very selective hearing. |
Stacy wrote: 8O
Annie would like to help out in a sheepie fighter plane! ohhh that face too cute! love it! |
| The general thinks Annie will make an awesome Red Baron Flying Ace. |
Breena says she has just newly discovered the art and joy of chasing down renegade squirrels and wonders if that position has been filled. If not she would love to apply.  |
| OK everyone you all know that some people are idots, and that they know it, and are afraid of those who are happy and sure, at least some of the time, in the goodness of their opions. These are the people that ask where you have your baby's hair permed, because their baby has no hair. They are the one that asked my SIL who's baby she was holding, the girl looks like her mother only has blue eyes and blond hair. These are the people that parking handicaped parking because they were tired, and they do not park between the lines. These are the people that you know your children will not become, but still thank god that you raised them right.
In short these are the people that we complain about because they are stupid, ignorate, drama queens that slow us down in our continuing mission to make the world a nicer, fuzzier, more loving place. I have had a very tiring day. Can you tell? |
I wish you all could have met my first sheepie - the one I married my husband to get! 
That "dumb" sheepie figured out how to empty my m-i-l's tool shed by dragging the rakes, hoes, bags of fertilizer and such through the dog door. Everything 3 feet or lower was removed from the shed - time for Spring cleaning! She also managed to find and eat a bag of Halloween candy that was on top of the fridge. Being a neat freak, she left the tootsie pop sticks and wrappers in a nice pile - easier for me to pick up. The current two sheepies and their Golden Retriever brother are pretty stubborn, until I start counting. Fortunately I never had to get to "three" for the dogs or kids as I'm not sure what the punishment would have been. How sad for the guest's sheepie that it has an owner that can't appreciate the fun that sheepies bring to our lives. |
| I have one who is deaf and I've always associated his selective, or not so selective, hearing with his stubborness, but he knows how to read me now and he also knows exactly what I want out of him, but he chooses whether or not to do it.
On the other hand, my one month older hearing OES puppy is not stubborn at all and wants to do anything and everything to please me; he also intuitively knows what I want so that I hardly ever have to tell him. Here is Mr. Stubborn, Echo, the dirty, but white OES pup: 
And, here is Jammy, my Mama's boy:  |
| yes benji has selective hearing also kinda normal for oes
they will let yo0u no when they need somthing but getting them to oebey regularrlt is work takes time , |
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