Re-training
Sky is doing well with crate training. I follow a similar schedule with her, and she pees outside every time. Pooping however is a different story, sometimes she does sometimes she doesn't. I haven't quite figured out her routine on that one yet. |
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| I would be concerned if she's only peeing 2 x's a day. Did I read that right??? I know OES can be stubborn - but that's exceeding the normal stubborness. I think that holding it for so long can cause other problems (UTI's, etc.).
At this stage - she should be able to be left out of the crate (while you're home) - without having an accident. I would try not putting her back in the crate at the 11am pee protest! Instead - try and let her hang out and play - drink when necessary and then take her out. Watching her at all times during this play time. Take her out with Sky if possible - maybe if she sees Sky peeing outside - it will prompt her to go as well. They can't resist usually! 
Do you take her out on a leash? Maybe her issue is with going while on a leash - I know other dogs seem to have that problem. If she isn't on a leash - maybe you should try that route. The pooping issue may have to do with "free feeding". Are you free feeding Sky too? If so - it's more difficult to get the "routine" down. Are you starting Dancer in a training class? It almost seems like she is testing your "alpha" role - maybe obedience class will help. I hope you figure something out soon - I know that this will be compounded with two puppies! Best of Luck! Kristen |
| She's fine, it is pure stubborness, I did have the vet check everything not long ago.
She will pee in the house if she is out of my sight for even an instant. In fact, if I let her out of her crate at 11am when I know she hasn't peed yet it is guranteed she will pee within 10 minutes. She'll pee in the house 5-6 times a day if allowed to. And if I let her out of the crate for freedom when she hasn't yet peed outside doesn't that defeat the whole crate training idea? I have to take her out on leash, our fence is no longer there and with all the construction going on it wouldn't be safe without the leash. I think the noise and people doing the construction is part of the problem, but there is nothing I can do about that. I do free feed both. I hadn't intended to, but it works well for us, and it is healthier. Dancer poops at exactly 8am and 4 pm every single day, so free feeding hasn't made her schedule irregular at all. I did find a training class, and had planned on starting Dancer 3 weeks ago, but that was during the time I thought she may have been going into heat, so I cancelled. I have to call back and see when the next class would be. Hopefully soon!  |
| You may be right about the noise of the construction, etc. It would seem that when she does go - would be times that they aren't there. ????
Presley is the same way - very noise sensitive. She would probably hold it - or have an accident - to avoid having to go outside if there were noises/construction. I wonder if you could try and de-sensitize her to the noise. You could try and tape it or get a tape of random noises and play it while she's hanging around playing - that way she will get used to it going on in the background. Sorry - I'm at a loss for any more suggestions. |
| I hadn't thought about her peeing outside only when the workers aren't there, but I think that is true. She pees outside first thing in the morning when no one is out there and it's all quiet, and then held it all day yesterday until she finally peed outside for my husband at about 12:30 am. She hasn't yet gone this morning, which is a first for her. She always goes in the morning. Not today though. On 3 sides there is construction work, noisy saws, trucks, hammering, and on the other side where she has been peeing lately my crazy old neighbor was cutting his lawn and she really doesn't like him. None of us do actually. LOL
I don't have anything to tape the noises with, or even play them, lots of cd players, and computers, so maybe I can find some wav files to download online of construction work. LOL Also, the de sensitizing sounds like a good idea. The thing is, these noises and work have been going on non stop since March, about a month after we brought her home. We can constantly hear it all the time inside or outside, though we've learned to tune it out for the most part. But she still barks at the workers, and doesn't want to be near any of it. I wish I could leave her outside without me for a little while, but if I did she would bark at them constantly, when I'm with her she just woofs a couple of times and then quiets when i tell her to. I feel like I'm never going to get this dog housetrained.... I really hope we can find another house soon, peace and quiet and no neighbros close by hopefully. |
| Would it be possible for you to bring her over to one of the workers and have her meet them and realize they are okay. Maybe that would help relieve her anxiety over them.
When I take Sydney & Presley out - they are also on leashes - but I use one of the retractable leashes - so they have more room to roam and can find "the spot" to go. If not a retractable leash - you could try one of the very long training leashes/leads. Do you take her anywhere with you? I found that helped with Sydney - she's much more "adaptable" than Presley. I can guarantee that if we were in your situation with construction going on like that - Presley would NEVER go outside! I hope you find a new home soon - for your sanity! Kristen |
| Yes, I have tried getting her to meet a couple of them, but they all smell like pot and she doesn't like that at all. She doesn't want anything to do with them.
I do use a retractable leash.... because she likes to go around the corner of the house where I can't see her, of course I peek and praise her like crazy and give her treats. I hope we find a house soon too...!!! |
| Hi Stacey,
I think you have said that you don't have a fence for her to stay in...but maybe there is a certain place outside that you could close off for her. I was thinking if she has to stay outside for a few hours, she might get immuned to all of the noice and activity going on. Once she is over the fear, maybe going outside won't be such a big issue. Maybe a few of the workers could give her a favorite treat. Also what about even when she has an accident in the house, still praise her so that you can start getting her to go on command. Then when she has that down, then redirect her to outside. I hope something helps soon, Stormi |
| Hiya Stormi
I've thought about putting up a dog run, and still want to, but I guess the next step in this new subdivision is to fill MY yard with dirt and put new sod down, because they have wrecked my yard, and it is not level with the new houses since they built up the land before building. Maybe I can still put up something temporary... I'll look into it. I had considered the praising for pee no matter where as well, so that she is no longer wanting to sneak off to pee, but Grannie Annie said this would confuse her in the long run and to stick with training her to go outside. Most sites say that for an adult dog being re trained using the crate method only takes 2-4 weeks since they are older and can hold it longer. I'm hoping this is true! I have till September 7th before I have to go back to work, but I will be having surgery on the 1st. My husband is taking the week of September 1st to 7th off though so he will be able to stick to the routine. I hope we have enough time! Depending on how I feel, I may be off till the 14th, but I'll have to see how things go. |
Oh gosh, Stacey! Surgery?! Is everything ok?  |
| Yep everything is fine |
Oh good! Pheeww! Are you a teacher? Going back to work after labor day and having the summer off sounds familiar?!  |
Willowsprite wrote: .....I do free feed both. I hadn't intended to, but it works well for us, and it is healthier....
Willow, It is not more healthy to free feed your sheepies. Free feeding can lead to a number of different frustrations for you and for them. Some dogs who are free fed will devour their entire portion in one setting. Others will leave what they want for later in the bowl, only to have their sibling sheepie eat that portion -- leaving you not knowing who ate what and when. If you are concerned about feeding them a "ration" once a day -- you can always measure out their food and feed them 2 or even 3 times a day. Putting them on a feeding schedule will help you to better predict when they will need to have a b.m. (poop! ) |
| I have no trouble predicting when Dancer has to poop. She goes exactly at 8am and 4pm every single day. Sky is beginning to follow this pattern as well and is doing great. You know they are getting enough to eat by their growth and their regular bowel movements. Free feeding has proven to be healthier in large breeds, as long as they nibble or graze instead of wolfing it down. Most free fed dogs do not wolf their food down, nor do they often have food aggression problems, because they always know there is going to be food there. With free feeding you don't have to worry about bloat or gastric torsion, which is often fatal, and absolutely horrible to see. Free fed dogs also rarely are overweight, if they have always been free fed, because they only eat till they are full, not till it's gone, leaving it up to a human to decide how much they can eat. A free fed puppy will seldom overeat, and therefore grows at a more stable rate, avoiding nutrition induced hip displaysia and other growth problems. |
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