Beautiful 3 month old female puppy for adoption.
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| Can you tell us where the dog is located? City and state? |
| Hi, She is in Columbia South Carolina. |
| You mentioned in the other post that she didn't want to give her back to the breeder because the breeder wouldn't give her the money back for the pup. Is this pup up for adoption or is it for sale? |
| She is up for adoption, But shes not going to be free. She paid tripple the amount that she is asking for. She wants some money back. She has paid for all her well visits also. |
EnglishSheepie wrote: You have to watch out for these rescue groups also. Some of these rescues make alot of money getting free dogs from people and then they turn around and sell (they like to use the word "adopt")
Hmm. |
| Hmm You think she got a OES puppy free? You must be out of your mind! Just back off and let me find this puppy a home. |
| I was really more interested in the use of the word "adopt." |
EnglishSheepie wrote: You have to watch out for these rescue groups also. Some of these rescues make alot of money getting free dogs from people and then they turn around and sell (they like to use the word "adopt")
Is that not what you posted in a different thread on this forum? I just find it very odd that you now have a puppy that you are wanting to sell. |
| What? You want the puppy for free? When you adopt do you pay anything? |
| I expect to give a rescue or shelter an adoption fee. Not someone who decided that they can't take care of a puppy anymore. That is not an "adoption" fee, it's the "selling price." It may be not what she paid but it is still the selling price. |
| I dont see the diffrence. Either way you are paying. |
I'm curious...if your friend wants to re-home this pup...and charge "a third" of what she paid...why doesn't she post here herself? If you are not a "rescue" (which you are very critical of) then what are you doing? Its good that you want to be helpful..but the fact that you are doing exactly the same thing you complained about in another thread seems odd.  |
EnglishSheepie wrote: You have to watch out for these rescue groups also. I think this board got mad at me when I didn't give a pup up to rescue. Some of these rescues make alot of money getting free dogs from people and then they turn around and sell (they like to use the word "adopt") them and make more money than they put into the dog. I'm willing to help anyway I can and I promise I will not make any money. Just wanted to let you know that I know how you feel and don't get upset over things said here. Like ever board there is always a few people that want to satrt an arguement and think they now everything. Most of them just want to make a profit off the dogs. Let me now if I can help.
Tammy (also)  http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=12 ... c&start=30 Your words not mine. |
ravenmoonart wrote: I'm curious...if your friend wants to re-home this pup...and charge "a third" of what she paid...why doesn't she post here herself? If you are not a "rescue" (which you are very critical of) then what are you doing? Its good that you want to be helpful..but the fact that you are doing exactly the same thing you complained about in another thread seems odd.
I offered to post for her and help find a home. I'm not making any money if that is what you are getting at. She just wants some of her cost back. And I was able to help another puppy out on this forum and I thought I would try to help another, But I guess you arent going to let me! I have all the paper work that she has spent on the puppys vet visits. I dont think that is too much to ask for some cost back. |
| Let's not be so quick to judge, let's see how this plays out. I'd assume that EnglishSheepie will be able to provide purchase documentation and also that the breeder can be checked with on this.
I hope. 
EDIT: and that's just what was said in the post above I hadn't yet read. Please, lets be a little easier going (at least at first! ) |
| English Sheepie,
Do you have pictures of the puppy? Also, is she just unable to keep the puppy or is there something 'wrong' with her? I wonder if Barney wants a little sister... |
| Hi, Theres nothing wrong with her. She is in great health. I have a picture. I will upload one. She is the one with a black ear. |
| It is so strange to me that people think rescues "make a lot of money". I know that the group I work with spends much more on each animal than our adoption fee.............if we happen to get one "free" animal that doesn't require much vet work and is adopted quickly (before much is spend on food and other items), any extra money has already been spent 10 times on another animal that requires a lot of vet care or many many months of food and preventative, etc............. Not only does the group not end up with a profit but all the volunteers have spent their own personal money too..........
We do always recommend that private individuals ask for an adoption fee if they can't keep an animal........ |
| Why is the puppy being given up?
You're friend should check the contract she signed with the breeder, it might stipulate that she HAS to give the dog to the breeder and not sell it (adopt it out) to someone else. I am required to return my dogs to my breeder if anything should happen and I can't care for them. The same goes for the rescue I have, in any event I can't care for her I am required to return her to the rescue where I got her from. Before your friend gets into a legal hassle, she might want to check what she has signed with her breeder. |
| In reading this post I see two very seperate issues.
The first and most important issue is finding an appropriate home for this poor puppy. Unless it was mentioned in another post it would be nice to have a little more information about this puppy. Things like why is a new home necessary, what sort of training has the puppy received, is she housebroken and what financial arrangements is the owner looking for. I personally don't have a problem with her hoping to get something for the dog. I do hope however that money alone will not stand in the way of fining a good home for this baby. The picture you posted is adorable!! I hope you can assist your friend in finding a good home for this little girl. The second issue is the discussion of rescues...... English Sheepie you've come to the wrong place if you are looking for anyone on this forum who will find fault with the excellent work that the sheepie rescues do. I think it is a tragedy as well as an indication of ignorance that anyone would look at their request for funds when helping to place a pup as a profit making venture. This forum is a great place for anyone wondering about rescue operations to be educated. |
Ron wrote: Let's not be so quick to judge That is really the issue here. If EnglishSheepie hadn't been so quick to judge rescue organizations, she would not be getting this flack. I think it is perfectly valid for the owner to try and get whatever price she can for the pup, whether directly or through an intermediary such as EnglishSheepie. It is a free market. I would call that a sale rather than an adoption, but that is a fairly minor point. However, EnglishSheepie specifically mocked organizations that put a price on a dog and call it an adoption. She also urged people not to trust rescue orgnizations and stated that most rescue organizations are in it to make a profit. Yet suddenly, when it comes to this puppy, she sees putting a fee for the purchase as simple compensation for costs of purchase, vet visits, etc. EnglishSheepie wrote: She is up for adoption, But shes not going to be free. She paid tripple the amount that she is asking for. She wants some money back. She has paid for all her well visits also. EnglishSheepie wrote: What? You want the puppy for free? When you adopt do you pay anything?
I actually did adopt Chumley for free and I paid a very minimal donation to the rescue organization from which I got Maggie. The prior owners did not receive any money from the adoptions. I think Maggie's family may have had to pay a small fee for the work and costs involved in placing her (vet visits, foster care, food, etc.) I would hope EnglishSheepie would learn from her own experience, if not the pages of responses she received on this forum, that she should not be so quick to judge other people who are involved in rehoming dogs as they also have costs to cover. Sure, there are bad actors in any group but her prior harsh accusations were never retracted or softened and that just leaves a bad stink in the air. I agree with Ginny that the issue of finding a home for this puppy is entirely separate. She looks really cute and I wish EnglishSheepie and the pup the very best of luck. None of this chatter is about her. |
| Well put, Val. |
| Well put Val, but this chatter as you put it, doesn't help the pup find a home.
My question is, since the forum does not allow the sale of a puppy, should any of this be left up at all or should we move it? If the owner/representative is not looking to deal with rescues or adopt out the pup and is asking money, then it is indeed a sale. |
| You are absolutely right Stacey, I had not thought of that. This is esentially a "dog for sale"!! |
| No problem.
Just call it what it is...You are helping a GF "sell" her puppy. No problem with that. Maybe someone is interested in "buying" it. |
| You know when I posted Angel I did have rescues contact me. My box was full of messages. And the one I picked to call admitted that she would receive money for her. That left a bad impression and I'm sorry if you are upset that I have a bad impression on rescues. You all are more eager to slam people on here instead of helping them. I posted the comment about rescues to give Tammie a heads up. The forum managed to run her off and lord knows what happened to that puppy! And now I give up also. This has been a waste of time. Time that could of been used to find a home, But No you are too worried that she will get some of her money back and thats really no of your buissness what she gets for the puppy. None of you are interested in helping, just running your mouths. Thats a shame. I will go else where to find help. Now thats 2 puppies you all have puhsed away. |
| I think the point is that NO ONE is allowed to "sell" a dog on this site. No exceptions!!
You can get into a discussion about exactly what "selling" is but no one here believes that legitamate rescues are "selling" dogs. |
| I volunteer for a rescue and we charge a $150 adoption fee. We get most of our dogs for free, but in the last few months we have spent THOUSANDS of dollars on medical bills and supplies.
If you can't find a home for your sheepie (who is adorable!) my rescue will take her in and we promise to find her a wonderful home. |
EnglishSheepie wrote: And the one I picked to call admitted that she would receive money for her. That left a bad impression and I'm sorry if you are upset that I have a bad impression on rescues.
I truly do not understand why it left a bad impression for a rescue to receive money in placing a dog when you know perfectly well that there are costs associated with the work rescues do that go way beyond the veterinary care for the animals. Your attitude is mystifying. However, I sincerely hope that you find a good home for the pup. |
I too hope that you find a wonderful home for the pup. Rescues do charge fees, but if they didn't we would go broke trying to help place these dogs. I believe that most rescues barely break even. What would happen to the sheepies that we all love so much if they were not around?  How many of these wonderful creatures would end up in a shelter facing euthenasia? I think the end definitely justifies the means. |
| I don't think that there's ever been an attempt to slam anyone and I'm not sure why you're taking it that way. There are a lot of people on this board that are involved in rescue and work very hard at it so, of course, many people would come to their defense with an accusation like the one made in the other forum. Everyone makes a concerted effort to be civil on this forum, even when we don't necessarily want to-- it's part of the reason everyone gets along so well. Telling people to "back off and let me do this" or that "none of us are interested in helping, only running their mouths" sure isn't going to win you any acceptance.
I also don't think it's unfair to ask you why you would consider this an adoption when there's money involved. I think I speak for everyone when I say that no one cares whether she recovers money for this or not. It has nothing to do with the welfare of the puppy-- all that matters is that the puppy wound up in a good home. There's no shame in selling a puppy, but I just really don't think this is the place to do it. No one has pushed any puppies away but you'd definitely benefit from learning the old saying that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Retorts and insults will not make anyone want to work with you so if you'd like to put the blame on anyone, blame yourself. |
| To be fair, I would always encourage anyone who is rehoming a pet to charge an adoption fee, if it is a donation to a rescue or just something that they keep. Charging SOMETHING helps encourage good intentions on the new homes part. We know that. I don't think that is necessarily "selling"...... I have advised many people to charge a fee to help weed out people who aren't going to do right by the animal.
We also do have to admit that not ALL rescues are good (even though MOST certainly are). Poor Watson came from a woman who believes that she is doing rescue. She is listed with at least one national organization who told me that there was nothing they could do when I sent them photos of the condition he was in........ That made me realize that I have to look at all rescues with open eyes. |
| There is no rule against selling a dog on this forum. There is a rule against advertising litters.
The rule is intended to prevent the commercial sale of dogs from the site, not to prevent legitimate re-homing facilitation, fee or no fee. What is legitimate? Someone who can prove up a $1,500 purchase and is selling the dog for $500 would seem to meet that yardstick to me. Further wrist slapping is counter productive, and this thread doesn't seem to be following the spirit of our mantra. If a child had disparaged all vegetables, and then started nibbling on some broccoli, would you all castigate him for his previous statements too, or would you welcome the improvement and encourage it? Maybe I'm missing something. |
Ron wrote: There is no rule against selling a dog on this forum. There is a rule against advertising litters.
The rule is intended to prevent the commercial sale of dogs from the site, not to prevent legitimate re-homing facilitation, fee or no fee. What is legitimate? Someone who can prove up a $1,500 purchase and is selling the dog for $500 would seem to meet that yardstick to me. Further wrist slapping is counter productive, and this thread doesn't seem to be following the spirit of our mantra. If a child had disparaged all vegetables, and then started nibbling on some broccoli, would you all castigate him for his previous statements too, or would you welcome the improvement and encourage it? Maybe I'm missing something. My bad, I thought it was against the forum rules. |
Ron wrote: If a child had disparaged all vegetables, and then started nibbling on some broccoli, would you all castigate him for his previous statements too, or would you welcome the improvement and encourage it?
Maybe I'm missing something. Yeah. She's not a child as far as I know. I am welcoming and encouraging her to see the similarity between what she views as reasonable and what she views as unreasonable. This is all just discussion. The only castigating that has occurred has been by EnglishSheepie. |
ElizFCDF wrote: To be fair, I would always encourage anyone who is rehoming a pet to charge an adoption fee, if it is a donation to a rescue or just something that they keep. Charging SOMETHING helps encourage good intentions on the new homes part. We know that. I don't think that is necessarily "selling"...... I have advised many people to charge a fee to help weed out people who aren't going to do right by the animal.
We also do have to admit that not ALL rescues are good (even though MOST certainly are). Poor Watson came from a woman who believes that she is doing rescue. She is listed with at least one national organization who told me that there was nothing they could do when I sent them photos of the condition he was in........ That made me realize that I have to look at all rescues with open eyes. I completely agree with both points. |
Ron wrote: There is no rule against selling a dog on this forum. There is a rule against advertising litters.
Sorry, my misunderstanding. |
| All out of hand here.
Just go to www.petfinder.com and post in the classifieds sections found under the masthead at the top of the page. You COULD also let the rescues know about your dog and see if they have a family waiting for a dog. Then just adopt her out that way with the rescues help. Give the rescue a small portion of the adoption fee for helping or not. Just take care of your puppy the best you can. There are other OES sites I am sure you could post on as well. I don't know. Good Luck to you and puupy too. |
| I think there are a lot of good posts here. To me, it comes off as the person trying to get rid of their dog used a word that doesn't fit the meaning of the word. This person got defensive when others corrected, and the whole thread turned into "how to correctly word it so it's understood where rescues comes from, why and how it works"
Being a former college student who worked at a pound/rescue, I can definitely understand someone wanting a portion of the cost back for what they paid for their dog. So now it should just be about "is anyone interested in this dog ...if so, email the seller?" right? |
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