Working in the USA illegally
working in the USA illegally. It is always children who suffer consequences.......... The ICE took in the owner and management of the factory. http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/03 ... arker1.htm http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/03 ... 3local.htm |
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| My empathy is limited because these people are here ILLEGALLY. If you are in the country illegally you do not have the rights of a US citizen. Most illegals aliens come into this country and have children here simply as a means to anchor themselves to the country. I would have more pathos if these people were still residents of the poverty ridden countries to the South of the US. Basically, my general attitude about this story, heartless as it is going to sound is, "Ah, too bad." |
Fred,CanYouSeeMe? wrote: Basically, my general attitude about this story, heartless as it is going to sound is, "Ah, too bad."
The reality is that someone needs to care for the children while the legal issues are sorted out. The community has done a good job coming together to provide basics like food, clothing and essentials to the families and children left behind. What is too bad is that the owner and administrators of the company who are responsible for this mess were released until their court date. The first thing the owner did was catch a plane out of the country.... on business. What is also too bad is our tax dollars spent on a military contract to provide backpacks to our troops- and company raided is one of many I am sure who employ illegals. How is it that a very large government contract was awarded to a company like this? No one checked the employees status???????????? |
| What was the size of the contract? I'm just curious what you think "very large" is.
Remember, this is the Pentagon and "war time" to boot. Besides, should the government fully investigate all the employees of every company with which it does business? |
Ron wrote: What was the size of the contract? I'm just curious what you think "very large" is.
Michael Bianco Inc., founded in 1985, specialized in manufacturing high-end leather goods for retailers including Coach Inc. and Timberland Co. before landing a $9.4 million military contract in 2003 to make survival vests. Between 2004 and 2006, it won $82 million in military contracts to make products including lightweight backpacks. An Army spokesman did not return a call about the status of the contracts. The contracts led to a massive expansion of the company's work force, which grew from 85 employees in 2003 to more than 500, according to investigators. source- http://www.miamiherald.com/795/story/33918.html In a depressed area as New Bedford I would consider this a large contract. Many mills have gone out of business. |
| Yeah, so they had 80 employees (that's a ton in the textile industry nowadays) and got this huge (for them) series of contracts and quick! needed to hire people.
Even if the military had investigeted them, they would probably have found a company of 80 legal workers... then once you're in the door, why would they investigate the company again? I doubt they would investigate anyone other than perhaps a rudimentary background check on the owners... if that. I wonder how much they saved by going with the illegals vs. legal workers. I wonder if they could have found 350 legit workers in that biz nowadays. Probably. I'm assuming the Unions weren't in there? |
zahra wrote: Fred,CanYouSeeMe? wrote: Basically, my general attitude about this story, heartless as it is going to sound is, "Ah, too bad." The reality is that someone needs to care for the children while the legal issues are sorted out. The community has done a good job coming together to provide basics like food, clothing and essentials to the families and children left behind. The real problem is why the illegals are having children if, first, they're already dirt poor, second, they're breaking the law and bringing their beloved children with them. Being poor does not automatically equal the absence of common sense. The companies hiring them are a problem, true, but you can't blame the suffering of the children on anyone but their own parents. They pulled them in to the situation. |
ButtersStotch wrote: zahra wrote: Fred,CanYouSeeMe? wrote: Basically, my general attitude about this story, heartless as it is going to sound is, "Ah, too bad." The reality is that someone needs to care for the children while the legal issues are sorted out. The community has done a good job coming together to provide basics like food, clothing and essentials to the families and children left behind. T The companies hiring them are a problem, true, but you can't blame the suffering of the children on anyone but their own parents. They pulled them in to the situation. So, in this situation are you saying we not care for them? Since when are infants and children punished for a parents actions? The reality is the parents are out of state. I disagree. Whether or not a parent has used bad judgement, or has made a bad decision, the child should not suffer. The company is responsible to a major degree, by seeking and hiring illegals. Had they hired people who were legally here this situation would not have escalated. Or they could have hired unemployed citizens. Greed motivates many companies and their executives. The bottom line appears to be a large profit. If folks are here illegally, it should be addressed legally. There needs to be better communication between State social service and ICE so children and infants are not left abandoned. Link to Boston.com |
| Zahra: I do not feel the community or the corporation has a responsibility to take care of these children. As I noted in my last post some illegals come into the country and use their children as anchors. They are referred to in the press as Anchor Children.
There are enough children who are citizens of this country, whose parent's are citizens of this country that are suffering in poverty. Many people fail to realize that there are places in the US that are terribly poor. Parents struggle immensely to put food in the mouths of their children right here in the US. In fact, I remember reading a story a year ago in the NY Times about a family living below poverty in Indiana. The single mom was working but still only able to come up with bones and spaghetti for her family to eat. My point is that there are many poor people in this country that are citizens and we need to take care of them first. The corporation is liable for breaking the law and should be dealt with accordingly. Asking the corporation to take care of the children of the illegals is like comparing apples to oranges. (One thing has nothing to do with the other.) Hiring illegals is totally negligent but, this does not translate into the corporation being responsible for an entire family of illegals. Playing devils advocate here: How many of these 80 illegals produced false documents for their paperwork? As for the military contract the company acquired: Are you insinuating that the goverment was in kahootz with this company to get the vests produced rapidly and to do so allowed them to hire illegals? (Maybe I am confused by what you have written, correct me) |
Fred,CanYouSeeMe? wrote: As for the military contract the company acquired: Are you insinuating that the goverment was in kahootz with this company to get the vests produced rapidly and to do so allowed them to hire illegals? (Maybe I am confused by what you have written, correct me) This is your impression, not mine. Getting back on topic, this issue is the children affected by the raid. Please read the links provided. |
| If someone robs a bank, or writes bad checks, they are taken to jail without regard for their children. They aren't released back into society to continue to do society harm in order that they care for their children.
People awaiting trial may be granted bail, but bail is predicated on risk of flight from prosecution. Since illegals by the very nature of their alleged crime are high flight risks, should they be released to care for their children and be allowed to disappear? |
Ron wrote: People awaiting trial may be granted bail, but bail is predicated on risk of flight from prosecution. Since illegals by the very nature of their alleged crime are high flight risks, should they be released to care for their children and be allowed to disappear? Seems like before you spring a raid like this, you should have a good plan. Poor planning on many levels has highlighted so many issues like the one you have stated above ,as their status is illegal. Seems like this should have been thoughly been thought through before implementing the raid. |
| WHY?
I mean, sure it might be nice, but what if they were raiding a counterfeiting ring? Would you expect the government to make arrangements for all the kids? What about a drug smuggling ring or a fencing ring or organized crime? Should law enforcement's priority be "Wait, before we do this when we think it is the most appropriate time, Let's sit down and spend a month planning on child welfare." ? These raids happen all over the place all the time and nobody EVER asks about the subject's kids. EVER. These things sort themselves out in every other case, and the kids wind up being cared for one way or another. |
| Another thing: I know that my previous post won't become the attitude of the country; it will now be politically correct to involve child services before a raid.
But remember, this is one of the very first raids that Immigration has carried out, they will learn how to do things... ummmm... better. Besides, what makes you think that this raid wasn't carried out in exactly this fashion to garner support for the Persident's approach of amnesty (or whatever you'd like to call it)? |
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| Exactly.
"OK, they want to throw them out of the country? Let's show them what that means. Go arrest a group and then move them to Texas for deportation, and the country will see what happens, and will go along for some sort of compromise." Maybe. |
Ron wrote: WHY?
I mean, sure it might be nice, but what if they were raiding a counterfeiting ring? Would you expect the government to make arrangements for all the kids? What about a drug smuggling ring or a fencing ring or organized crime? Should law enforcement's priority be "Wait, before we do this when we think it is the most appropriate time, Let's sit down and spend a month planning on child welfare." ? These raids happen all over the place all the time and nobody EVER asks about the subject's kids. EVER. These things sort themselves out in every other case, and the kids wind up being cared for one way or another. I really like that analogy, Ron. It's very true. |
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