never mind

I write one little"no rescue groups" and it seems it was taken offensively and then made this topic into a different subject. another sentence about the nipping & having a previous home was made into a worst case scenario.
I have livestock. I live on a farm. This dog and any other dog is not above livestock to farmers or to me. I have made attempts for his placement and have turned down many because i felt they would not serve as a good environment for him. Whatever potential he had on here was thrown out the window when those subjects came up.If the original owner takes him back she can deal with rescue groups.

good day to you

Respond to this topic here on forum.oes.org

Um, I think the only thing mentioned in the other thread (and not a hijack) was that not all rescue groups have the same requirements and if you had contacted more than one...

farmchick wrote:

Whatever potential he had on here was thrown out the window when those subjects came up.

I don't know why you think that. It is good for those subjects to come up because there are some people more experienced and less concerned about nippng than others. This site has helped facilitate many placements but it does often involve alot of discussion compared to placing a classified ad.

I wish you the best of luck in finding a new home for your dog. I hope you will stick around and see if someone here can help you.

Something you may not have considered...
The little innocent nipping you mentioned may in the
end cause your dog to be put to sleep. We have
seen it many many times, and it is very sad. We
were only trying to help, and an OES rescue is the
best option in most cases. They are prepared to
handle those situations, and place them in appropriate
homes. Many rehomed OES need to go to homes with
experience in the breed or at least larger breeds.
You seem to have taken offense where non was intended.
You were looking for a home for a dog, and we replied-

Stick around and see what a wonderful group this really is.
Or not, your loss

Shellie

Everyone's just trying to help and find the dog a good home. If someone were to get the dog and get it to rescue, it wouldn't be any more work for you. I don't get it.

Let us help you find a home for your dog. We would love to help you out.

Perhaps this person thinks that all rescue groups are affiliated with PeTA.

They aren't, and I'm not.

Tammy (It is Tammy, isn't it?), the reason I said what I said was because this dog is already in its second home, and you are the one that mentioned nipping and not a good dog for kids. Dontchya think we can read between the lines?

You're the one who can't afford to take care of the dog that you took on. That says to me that your judgement isn't 100% on this issue to begin with. What makes you think you have the proper experience to pick the right home for him now?

C'mon, give the dog to the people who can do right by him. It won't cost you a thing.

Shellie wrote:

Stick around and see what a wonderful group this really is.
Or not, your loss

More likely the dog's loss, but hey, he doesn't get a vote.

You're right Ron.

Maybe she wasn't really looking for a great group of people
to help her out with her dog? I guess we're bad for trying to
help here. Sad

Shellie

Oh thank you so much you caring people! not only have you nonstop talked about me not wanting a rescue group now you are insulting my judgement. If you read between the lines so well then this should come out crystal clear
I will not work with a rescue group despite your encouragement and insults.
I do not have to explain myself to anyone and I will do what i want with this dog. Your comments have done nothing but make it a more frustrating and upsetting ordeal. Just because you think that is where I should place him does not mean I it is the right route. You know nothing more then what I have wrote yet YOU have judged him by reading something that was not there. If My judgment was not 100% would I have come to an OE board trying to find him a home? No. I would have given him to the first person who wanted him just to be rid of him.
I do not believe a rescue group is the first place to look at. I also do not believe in a god but I have that right and option just as you do.
I will not place him with a group due to a promise made to his previous owner who had him for 4 years. Which is more information then I care to share-
I will not justify my decision with a group of people who have given such a warm welcome and apparent judgmental ways.
Good day to all.

Who said anything about God?

Well,

Good luck to you.

farmchick wrote:

After reading all of that, I see the words "I", "Me", and "mine" and very little about the dog.

This group is concerned about the dogs and rescue groups are equipped to handle all types of behaviour problems. Please don't let your notions either perceived or real keep you from doing what is best for the dog.
There is no "I" in dog.

I always find it interesting when people come here for help and the reject all efforts. Makes you wonder just what the agenda really is.

I do hope this poor pup finds a new home .

farmchick wrote:

I will not place him with a group due to a promise made to his previous owner who had him for 4 years. Which is more information then I care to share-

You say that this dog was in a bad situation with the previous owner yet you honor a "promise" to him/her? Obviously, you do not care about the dog, only yourself. :evil:

Nita
Indiana OES Rescue

People like Tammie are just anti-establishment on everything.

They know better than everybody all the time about everything.

Let's just hope for the dog that she stumbles on the right person for a sheepdog.

Poor doggie.

People here have helped SO MANY DOGS in ways you wouldn't imagine, so I wish you would let them help you Tammie.

Hi-
I was going to post this privately but was afraid you might not read your messages stored on this board.

My ma grew up on a super poor dirt farm in the 30's and 40's so I understand your views. http://pomeroys.com/FarmLg.jpg Farm work is demanding and everyone has to pull their weight... working dogs are often considered an important tool in getting the job done. When that tool is no longer effective, it needs to be replaced. If this boy is sleeping in your bedroom and someone takes time to play ball with him, he's had it good.

I guess my concern with turning this sheepie-boy over to a Humane Society is that they also will do temperament testing and you mentioned this sheepie-boy's nipping. Just ask how long they will give him to find a new family. The reason most rescues require dogs to enter the rescue instead of simply placing them directly in a new home is because they need to identify any problems in behavior and place the dog with the best matched family. (See below for our experience with Panda and OES rescue.) These are big powerful dogs that can do a lot of damage if their temperament isn't good.

I have 6 dogs of my own so I can't physically take any more dogs. If you change your mind and would like to find an OES rescue to help, please drop me a note. I am NOT a rescue but as long as a dog has no aggressive tendencies I sometimes help dogs enter OES rescue by paying for grooming/vaccinations. http://thesheepiestore.com/Assistance.htm Please let me know if I can help. Whatever direction you decide on, good luck to you and your sheepie.
Jaci

We adopted Panda through an OES rescue. She had severe separation anxiety, could not be housetrained (we JUST found it may be do to a anatomical defect that we had surgically corrected a little over a week ago), she was a notorious counter surfer and would steal food off plates, she was destructive, she has hip dysplasia. She's also quite mouthy. By the age of 10 months, we were her 3rd home not including the month she spent at a Humane Society at the age of 5 months. An OES rescue matched this dog with a family that was OES experienced and willing to help her. She's been with us for 1 1/2 years now.

I would like to talk to you about adopting your dog. I had a sheepdog in the 1980's. He was the best dog I ever had, although he was rambunctious as anything!

How do I get in touch with you? I live in Auburn Ohio.

Janet

farmchick wrote:

Oh thank you so much you caring people! not only have you nonstop talked about me not wanting a rescue group now you are insulting my judgement.

I do not have to explain myself to anyone and I will do what i want with this dog. You know nothing more then what I have wrote yet YOU have judged him by reading something that was not there. If My judgment was not 100% would I have come to an OE board trying to find him a home?

I will not justify my decision with a group of people who have given such a warm welcome and apparent judgmental ways.
Good day to all.

Um, your original post had 9 replies...3 were yours. I don't think that constitutes nonstop.

You certainly don't have to explain anything to us but may I point out YOU approached US. I'm sorry you didn't like the answers but rescue is the best option. I'm sorry you can't see that.

Your sarcasm doesn't help, if you truly came here looking for a solution you should at least consider what EXPERIENCED people have to say. I only hope the dog doesn't suffer because if you pass him on and he bites someone he will be put down. Maybe that's your idea of a good day :twisted:

Janet, you'll need to be a registered user, then you'll be able to send email through the forum's email system or private messages through the forum's PM system.

Thanks for caring.

any updates?

I just came across this post and can't believe that you would not want help from a Rescue. They would be much better than giving the dog to the SPCA on March 15th. And since you can't afford to care for the dog, the sooner the better! Everyone on this forum wants to help, not judge you!

Since this was posted by a "guest" who apparently took exception to our suggestions and advice I suspect they have not returned to read any more responses :wink:

farmchick wrote:

Please reconsider your position. The rescue groups are invaluable to the unwanted or abused dogs - my dog is living proof. Patch was simply unwanted, was going to be euthenized because her time was up at the shelter. She is a wonderful dog and gives me nothing but joy and brings joy to many others on her therapy visits. I now have another - am fostering a neglected OES who was brought to me with mats to her bone, urine soaked to her skin with urine burn on her pads, and an unset broken leg that healed wrong. She is a great dog and will make a family very happy (except of course if she continues to win my heart and stays) If you do not want your dog please consider giving her to a rescue group who will find the perfect home.

Farmchick posted on her blog that the dog was given to a farmer in Pennsylvania.

Guest wrote:

Farmchick posted on her blog that the dog was given to a farmer in Pennsylvania.

Farmchick has a blog?

http://unusuallyunusualfarmchick.blogspot.com/

Hmmmmm, isn't THAT interesting!

Tasker's Mom wrote:

Hmmmmm, isn't THAT interesting!

Yes, indeed. I hope the new home is a good fit.

Interesting blog.

Great, glad to hear that there might be a happy ending!

I have had three St Bernards from rescue, they were the most wonderful people, wonderful dogs and brought much joy into my and my kids lives. I would do it over and over again. The rescue organizations are knowledgeable, kind, loving people. Mentioning God they should be inducted into Saint hood, the time it takes the efforts they give are not rewarded. They are given through love, bess them for this.

I would love to someday have the opportunity to do the same.

You have to watch out for these rescue groups also. I think this board got mad at me when I didn't give a pup up to rescue. Some of these rescues make alot of money getting free dogs from people and then they turn around and sell (they like to use the word "adopt") them and make more money than they put into the dog. I'm willing to help anyway I can and I promise I will not make any money. Just wanted to let you know that I know how you feel and don't get upset over things said here. Like ever board there is always a few people that want to satrt an arguement and think they now everything. Most of them just want to make a profit off the dogs. Let me now if I can help.
Tammy (also)

tammie.. i am not in a rescue group i have gotten a bunch from the pound and have 2 now.. i do know one thing my friend worden in miami does rescue and my vet told me her bills for these guys was in the thousand's , due to her rescue.. also i know her groomer and she owes her money for the dogs she rescues too!! not sure about them making any money!!!

EnglishSheepie wrote:

Some of these rescues make alot of money getting free dogs from people and then they turn around and sell (they like to use the word "adopt")

I'm certainly not looking to either start, or even continue an argument, but I do feel compelled to point out (as a brand-new -to-rescue person) that none of these things are free/cheap: Neutering....grooming(sometimes with the added requirement of sedation)....vet bills....medication....food....time away from a paying job, spent working with a very needy dog...etc.

I'm sure there are bad "rescues" out there, but even when an "adoption fee" is charged, I doubt VERY much that it comes close to covering the average rescue's expenses.

I'm glad that you want to help with finding homes for needy OES!

...I do too, and am fostering my 1st one now, however, I dont see any need to slam other good folks who have done this for many years, and can give us the benefit of their experience.

Could you provide us with a list of some of those that are "making money" that you have come in contact with? It seems like most of the people that do rescue on here are slaving day and night, working hard for no pay and traveling all over the place because of their love for the breed. Any fees they charge for adoption are to cover the cost of the vet bills, grooming and other care that has gone into the dog. If there's money to be made, maybe I'll quit my job.

Oh yeah...one more little expense, that my foster-pup Max just reminded me of...cleaning supplies!...I'm going to have to see if they sell "natures miracle" by the case if this keeps up! :oops:

It's not individuals placing a dog themselves that's the problem. If people would do it properly it would take a lot of burden off rescues. There are people who do it right by carefully matching a dog with the new family, asking all the right questions and following up with calls necessary to make sure their dog has found the right home. And they make sure the new family has been educated on proper grooming requirements and the time/tools required or that they are financially able to afford the bills to have it done on a regular basis.

The problem arises when a dog is placed with an unqualified, uneducated or unprepared family. Often times an owner wants a dog out of the house NOW... they've made up their mind that the dog has got to go and they don't really care what happens as long as it's gone. The first person who comes along gets the dog.

Others might care but don't know how to go about placing their dog in a responsible manner. After all, how many dogs does the average individual sell in a lifetime? They don't know the right questions to ask... they never consider asking if the new family has a fenced in yard; they don't take time to visit the home; they don't ask about other pets/children or ask for vet referrals and actually take time to talk to the vet to see if the new family has been responsible with prior pets or if they simply let them run and get hit by cars (I have an acquaintance that had 3 dogs hit by cars... there is no excuse for this). Some of the behavioral issues this breed can have might have been curbed had they neutered/spayed the dog at the appropriate age... many never even consider having this done prior to selling it which adds to more poorly bred OES's and behavioral problems. How many would get a signed, legally binding contract stating that if it doesn't work out, the dog must be returned to them and not simply resold in the newspaper, dumped at animal control or dropped off in the country if they find the dog is too much for them? And believe me... this DOES happen. Many don't ever WANT the dog back. Let's face it... many individuals buy maybe one dog in 10-15 years... how many would have the knowledge of how to place a dog so it has the best possible chance when they do it so seldom?

And just for the record, I am not a rescue but I've helped fund a few dogs along the way. http://thesheepiestore.com/Assistance.htm

There is NO money in rescue unless the organization is a large one with a lot of generous members or unless they are doing it strictly for financial gain (I personally haven't seen one of these yet). It's easy to think that rescues make all kinds of money until you actually volunteer and see what happens behind the scenes. Occasionally a dog will come in that has absolutely no behavioral issues or health problems, is well trained, has been altered and is up to date on shots and heartworm preventative not to mention the love of people and all animals. On these dogs, a rescue may make some money... but how much? $300? This is peanuts compared to what it takes to get a dog ready for adoption. Remember, good rescues usually require a foster period so they can get to know the dog so they can match his/her temperament with the right family unless the family is exceptionally OES savey. This can take a few weeks... for other dogs this process can literally take months.

To finally put the myth to rest that rescues make money hand over fist, maybe some of the rescues could post prices of what they were charged to get specific dogs ready for adoption. People would come to understand that if money might be made on one dog, that money is usually lost on the next dog coming through the door.

Just consider the very basics...
Heartworm testing
Vaccinations plus Rabies
Spay Surgery or Neuter Surgery
Initial Grooming or shave down
Food

I can tell you that proper care of my own pack of 6 cost me over $13,000 last year. And I know my own vet didn't extend any discount for a rescued cat that we took to him a couple of years ago... it was over $200 to get her tested, vaccinated and spayed! A rescue is fortunate if they get a discount from their vet. What if the dog has a skin condition, heartworms, hip dysplasia, etc.?

A good rescue should be a place that is there for the benefit of the dog first and foremost and they are responsible for helping a family during the settling in period with a new dog. These are the rescues I've seen. Ask Grannie Annie who we adopted Panda from... I think I should send her a roll of tape so she can reattach the ear I've chewed off with all of MY questions! Rescues have to wade through the applications to weed out the unqualified and irresponsible people in order to find a match for each dog that comes in. Time is spent learning the dog and it's quirks... and yes, they all have them. Often times they have to make a dog well so it can even be considered for adoption. And if it doesn't work out, they take the dog back.

Before I started donating to OES rescues, I was totally clueless about how much it cost to save a dog. It's only been in the last 3 years that I even knew about OES rescue. Before I volunteered, I would have been unprepared to rehome one of my own dogs (I never have been faced with having to do this and pray I never will).

Some people will always insist on placing their own dogs. Maybe it would be a good thing to make up a list of questions that an individual could start with when rehoming their own dog? While it's not a fix-all, it might help them to make a better choice than they might have made without it.

EnglishSheepie wrote:

Please tell me where hte money is so I can get a few dollars to help defray the costs - i spent $120 within 12 hours of her arrival. PLEASE send me some of this money so i can enjoy financial freedom again!

I vol. with rescue. I am not a rescue but if there was a chance that being a rescue made money I would be a rescue and donate the proceeds to the rescue of dogs, cats , horses any animal. But it just dosen't happen. I foster, transport, bath ,evaluate, Paid for a heartworm treatment or a spay/neuter basically what ever it takes to help out. I cannot tell you how many miles I have put on my car transporting dogs(I need to keep better records for taxes!!!) I have seen the financial reports for the rescue I work with, no money made there and everyone is a vol. no paid help. So to make a statement that rescues make money , well it just shows that you don't have any idea what really happens in rescue. People gets dogs and get in over their heads. No obedience, grooming etc. Then want to "sell" their dog to a rescue because they did not do their homework on the breed or just what is involved in being a good pet owner. Rescues don't buy dogs they rescue them Many times there are HUGH medical bills with these dogs. Dogs that have heartworms because someone did not want to spend the money on heartguard,broken bones due to neglect or abuse. Puppymill dogs that were bought at a petstore on a whim that have hip, eye and behavior problems. A fee is charged to help with the costs. Many times fosters have to undo what a neglectful or uninformed owner has done. I have three rescues of my own and a lot of work has gone into them. Rescue is not easy and is not a money making endevor. Maybe you should vol for a rescue and see how it really is.

EnglishSheepie wrote:

You know, I just read all of your posts to see what you were talking about in that "the board got mad at you." In reading those posts, I just have one question: are you sure you're on the right board? Everything you said was very thankful for the help you got, people gave the new owner some advice and Ingrid, one of the rescue people, even said that the person that got the dog came highly recommended. Now I REALLY want to know what your experience was that caused you to make that comment, because it now seems even more inappropriate.

Quote:

You are joking right?

Shellie

Wow! Did I not say SOME? People on here are so touchy. This should be the PMS forum. LMAO Trust me I got big respose when I posted Angel and I asked alot of questions and some I repeat some admitted they were going to sell her. I've also called rescues before and they wanted alot of money unless there was something wrong with the dog or if the dog was old. One even wanted $1000. I couldn't believe it. It's people like that that make rescues look bad. Sorry but it's true.

I' glad Kay isn't around theses days to read this thread, it would break her heart.

Quote:

This should be the PMS forum.

I had a partial spay last Friday so I'm less PMS than before :wink:

Simply put, those who took offense to your comments on rescue care about the welfare of unwanted sheepies and want them to have a chance in the proper home. Take the time to read about Ally who has been in 3 homes in just 2 weeks. She was on Craigslist for the 3rd time while searching for her 5th home because the individuals placing her hadn't found the match she needed. You can LYAO but you come across as foolish to anyone that knows about this situation.

People don't rehome dogs every day so individuals should consider printing up an application from a good OES rescue to use as a basis when placing their own dog. Then add other key questions about their grooming knowledge or whether a family can afford to pay someone to do it. This might be a good start at preventing situations like Ally's from being repeated.

Quote:

I've also called rescues before and they wanted alot of money unless there was something wrong with the dog or if the dog was old. One even wanted $1000.

What's the name of the OES rescue that wanted THIS amount?

Or was it some individual simply saying they were rescue that picks up dogs at animal control, shelters, puppymills and newspaper ads and then goes on to sell them? YES, they are out there but they are NOT rescues. Were they 501c3 (that means non-profit)? You need to provide details or it looks like your simply vindictive and wish to defame rescues that are truly dedicated to saving this breed we all love so much.

Quote:

Most of them just want to make a profit off the dogs.

Flippant statements can in the long run kill a few dogs if individuals take your statement to heart and avoid ALL OES rescues at all costs. So help OTHERS to avoid this specific OES rescue that wanted $1000 for a dog.

Quote:

I' glad Kay isn't around theses days to read this thread, it would break her heart.

Speaking of Kaye... when I assited her via long distance, the adoption fee was $250. She seldom broke even on a dog.

I have had three foster dogs since I became involved with rescue in October of 2006. Both of the males that have come to me have had severe ear infections and one had ear mites. Both males had to be neutered, vaccinated and heartworm tested, etc. Just the vet bills themselves were WELL over $300 each. Then you have to consider that with Duke, there were transport costs for all of those involved in getting him from Alabama to Michigan. I am sure that I have missed something here with expenses, but I would say that when all is said and done, that a large percentage of rescued sheepies will have had at least $400 to $500 spent on them by the Rescue.

Both of these guys, I would consider to have been in good health, they all are prone to the ear infection. So if that is the cost for a "healthy" dog to be fostered, then what about the ones that come in that are heartworm positive? Just think about the money that was spent on Marcus (Wynette's foster last year) with all of his skin problems. You might break even on one dog, even make a little money on the next, then the next one comes in that is ill and you go into the red.

I personally believe that the people running these Rescue Orginizations are in it for the love of the sheepies. Most of these are non-profit organizations and the people that "own" and manage these do not put any money in their pocket. If there is any "profit" made it stays there in the organization until the sick baby comes along and away goes the profit. Many rescues will make donations to other qualified rescues to help with their expenses on a sick sheepie.

I rarely chirp in on personalities as I have one that I'm not always proud of, however, it's all I have to work with. For those who have not read her blog, please take the time. The blog definitely shows her lack of good judgement. Her " farm " is 1 1/4 acre in a suburban area, on this " farm " she has 3 young children, goats, chickens, rabbits, dogs, etc... ( my idea of a good neighbor ) :twisted:

. Mrs. Greenjean's she's not.
I once was young, idealistic, liberal. Thank God I've matured !!!!
I truely feel for this dog.
BTW " farmchick ", I'm post-menopausal and never needed PMS as an excuse especially when the neglect of animals is involved. I am not involved in rescue yet, but it is something that I'd love to do. You received excellent advice from many wonderful caring people, too bad you were too blind to see. Please reconsider before deciding to " help " another animal. Kathy

a liberal, farmchick is not.

The dog found a new home. I'm confused by the need to post her blog which she didn't voluntarily share or the point in talking about her.

EnglishSheepie wrote:

Seriously then, could you post them then? I think it would very valuable for people to know which ones to stay away from.

Chauncey wrote:

I once was young, idealistic, liberal. Thank God I've matured !!!!

Hmmmm, considering myself a liberal, I'm not sure if I should be offended, or flattered that you think I'm young?! :twisted:

I'm old, idealistic and liberal.........does that mean I'm immature??? :wink:

As a conservative, can I say yes to all of the above?

Thank goodness this thread has de-volved into comedy! :roll:

Verve, please don't be offended at being young or liberal....I used to be both, helped me grow into the gray I'm getting. I'm a child of the 60's-70's and wouldn't trade it for anything,and [i]that's all I have to say about that :wink:

Enjoy being both.
I admit to being pi$$y, but I did not post her blog, in fact I saw it referenced in a previous post and decided to read it for more info.
I truely feel she did not consider the effects of her decisions on this poor dog. She evidently did not research the breed or she'd have known about the charateristics, herding breeds are for the most part nippers. HELLO, big hairy dogs= HIGH MAINTAINENCE. Either you groom daily or you pay the groomer. I did well over a years research before Chauncey and we've had our issues to work through, but I knew going in it was a long term committment that would certainly be different from our lab. It was more than worth the effort

. Just as I didn't give our son away during those difficult years I would not give up on an animal that I have committed to. I would love to have another lab, another sheepie or 4, an irish wolfhound, but I live in a development with an acre of property and I would not agree to accept responsibilty for something I could not adequately care for. When we get the fence installed this summer I may start thinking about another dog...but it will be well planned and thought- out.

Raven & Jo, thank goodness more conservatives

BTW: I've vented and feel a little better....change what you can, accept what you can not....yada, yada.....I lied, really don't fell better but life goes on.............................................................................................................................................

Not conservative....just old and cynical!! :wink:

Tasker's Mom wrote:

I'm old, idealistic and liberal.........does that mean I'm immature??? :wink:

I'm right there with you.

RE: farmgirl's blog being brought over here. My feelings are this: she came here looking for 'help' but didn't give us much in the way of specifics about why she was going the route of placing the dog herself vs a rescue. IMO, it was unreasonable for members here, particularly those invovled with rescue themselves, not to try to get more information, to see what else was going on. Her stated position was so counter to the experiences of members of this forum that it had to raise questions.

And also, imo, if you post a blog, you can hardly expect privacy nor can you say you are seeking to keep the viewpoints and thoughts and experienced detailed in your blog 'secret' or private. I don't feel we violated anything, really, except farmchick's 'right' to take from us what she wanted without giving us what we needed to be of assistance.

Tasker's Mom wrote:

I'm old, idealistic and liberal.........does that mean I'm immature??? :wink:

Oh No! If that’s true, I must be infantile. :lol:

She came asking for help and received excellent advice, SHE choose not to take it. Too bad that dog's don't speak our language. Thank God they're of those us that can understandand dog.

Derva & tgir, Don't fret being liberal or young, you'll outgrow it

........... Kathy

Chauncey wrote:

Derva & tgir, Don't fret being liberal or young, you'll outgrow it

........... Kathy

Nah, but maybe you'll outgrow your difficult stage and see the light!

tgir wrote:

Chauncey wrote:

Derva & tgir, Don't fret being liberal or young, you'll outgrow it

........... Kathy

Nah, but maybe you'll outgrow your difficult stage and see the light!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAH ROTFLMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So glad this isn't a policitical forum :lol:

I wish I would have caught this earlier... I would have driven to N.E. Ohio - picked him up- and given that poor dog a home

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