Puppy Trouble! Help!

Hi this is the first OES I have owned and his name is Max. I have been trying to train him the best I can to not do things like play with the pee pads. He seems very stubborn about it and I can tell him no, pick him up and put him down several feet away from it and he runs back to it. Sometimes we go through this 4-5 times before he leaves it alone. What's the best way to handle this without hurting Max?
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He's so young and hasn't had obedience training yet, so there's really no way to tell him to leave it and actually have him leave it alone.... without taking it away completely.

We never used puppy pee pads when house training, and we had ours basically housetrained within a couple weeks.... the crate was a huuuuge help. Of course, Barkley was still under very close supervision for a couple months after that and still had the occasional accident.

We used the guidelines from this book (recommended by our breeder):

Before & After Getting Your Puppy: The Positive Approach to Raising a Happy, Healthy & Well-Behaved Dog
by Ian Dunbar

I can't recommend this book enough. It really is excellent and provides very detailed guidance on crate training, house training, socialization, bite inhibition, walks, etc. etc. etc.
Pee pads are not a good idea with a large puppy. It will be no time before he pees way too much to be absorbed...Then you are stuck with the pee half on it, and half on the floor.

Once a dog is used to going on them it is very difficult to train them to then go "outside". It is not their fault, they will just look for something simliar...like a carpet or some clothes...or a newspaper...

As for training him to leave it alone, he will get confused because he will have no idea when he is allowed to go on them and when he is not. Then he will NOT pee on them because he always gets in trouble when he goe snear them....Very confusing for a wee little sheepie brain.. :lol:
I agree puppy pads are not meant for large dogs. From years of experience with them, they don't hold LARGE DOG pee well. You will have moisture on the backside even if it has the blue backing that supposedly prevents it.

My maltese pees on it twice, and it's definitely ready for a change, and she pees about a fourth or less than my OES.


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Once a dog is used to going on them it is very difficult to train them to then go "outside". It is not their fault, they will just look for something simliar...like a carpet or some clothes...or a newspaper...


While I hear this said a lot, I tend to disagree. I think you can train them to do both with no problems because dogs naturally want to go where there is another dog scent (grass) as a puppy. They soon learn to go outside and in the only corner they can w/o soiling where they lay when crated/locked in a room.
Joahaeyo wrote:
I agree puppy pads are not meant for large dogs. From years of experience with them, they don't hold LARGE DOG pee well. You will have moisture on the backside even if it has the blue backing that supposedly prevents it.

My maltese pees on it twice, and it's definitely ready for a change, and she pees about a fourth or less than my OES.


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Once a dog is used to going on them it is very difficult to train them to then go "outside". It is not their fault, they will just look for something simliar...like a carpet or some clothes...or a newspaper...


While I hear this said a lot, I tend to disagree. I think you can train them to do both with no problems because dogs naturally want to go where there is another dog scent (grass) as a puppy. They soon learn to go outside and in the only corner they can w/o soiling where they lay when crated/locked in a room.


What I meant is that is it difficult (not impossible) to train them to do only one or the other. Meaning that if the dog is in the house, unsupervised, and he has to go potty, and there is noone home to let him out, and no pee pad on the floor, he would find a carpet or towel to pee on.

Hope that clarifies what I was trying to say.. :lol:
Sorry! :) I do hear that a lot from other owners, but I just think their approach was wrong when training them, so I thought that's what you meant. :oops:
You are right about the Pee Pads, they don't hold much. I really am not training him to use the pads they are just there in chase we aren't watching and he has to go. I usually watch him pretty close everytime I let him out of his crate and can tell when he is ready to go. Plus I take him out after a meal, nap, and pretty much every hour or so. Should I put something on the door like a bell or something to train him to let me know when he needs to go out. I am trying to keep him in the crate when we can't be there or watch him and sleeping at night...at least until he can be trusted. Maybe the pee pads are a bad idea to start with but I don't think he likes them any way because he never has used them. Probably should just take them away and keep him in the crate when we can't be there and just watch him real close when we let him out to play. We don't really have an area that we can confine him to which is sort of a problem but I think he will learn fairly quickly. He already holds it for several hours at a time. Plus we try to only feed and water him when we know we can be around to let him out. Thanks for all the comments it was helpful.
Sounds like you are doing well, and can get rid of the pads and just continue what you're doing.

A couple suggestions....

Maybe add another potty break after about 10-15 minutes of playtime. We found that the playtime made Barkley need to go again... this was in the first month we had him home.

Try to have a confined area of the house to play with Max in, which you can gradually expand. We used babygates, rubbermaid bins, laundry hampers, whatever worked. This way you can keep him close to you while you play.

Blocking off a room like that worked really well for us because we found that as Barkley started to understand where he was supposed to go (outside), but he hadn't figured out how to tell us yet, he would go behind a couch or a chair or anywhere we couldn't see him to pee on the carpet.

He realized he should go outside, but didn't know how to tell us yet (certainly couldn't blame him for that!).
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