Very Graphic Video from China & JC Penny's product suppo
Not sure where to post this but it's been two weeks and I can't get this video out of my mind. It will change how you view the 3rd world so don't watch if you are weak of heart! It is very very graphic. China's fur industry is skinning animals and dogs alive on a regular basis to the tune of over 1.5 mil a year. The video footage shows this in detail. We need to help stop this by not buying their products. Many department stores that found out about these common practices have discontinued buying fur or supporting this fur trade. JC Pennys has stated that they will continue to support this with purchasing products made from these animals. My wife and I probably buy several orders by mail from JC Pennys plus our routine store visits, but since this we won't anymore. If you read their comments and watch this video I promise you won't either. Note that the Raccon Dogs that look like racoons are actually dogs and actually just like our house dogs, they are not racoons. But, it doesn't really matter what type of animal they are, none deserve this! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16597610/ http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=fur_farm http://www.animal-protection.net/ Help support stopping these types of cruelty to animals by signing all petitions having to do with this type of fur trade and by also suspending purchases with JC Pennys until this is resolved! Zach |
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Zach, I saw that on the news, it's really sickening  Many top name designers were not aware it was real animal fur and pulled all items using it out of their inventories  |
| Hi Holly,
Saw your post and have been thinking about you and yours! Carolyn's boy went to the river I believe last week. Not many Windfield boys left. I miss them also. You are right, I thought I had seen it all but this is unbelieveable. Zach |
| I tried to watch it, but couldn't make it past the part in the marketplace, where they slammed the dogs heads to the ground. This is horrible, no animal deserves to be bred for this purpose. I hope this gets around and the selling of dog pelts stop. |
zach wrote: Hi Holly,
Saw your post and have been thinking about you and yours! Carolyn's boy went to the river I believe last week. Not many Windfield boys left. I miss them also. Zach I hadn't heard about Carolyn's boy  Luke will be 10 in June, Rosco will be 9 in September. Is William the youngest boy? I know Wanda's Merlin is around Luke's age. How is your crew doing? |
| I am so saddened to see this. I am a HUGE JC Penney shopper, just about everything I buy comes from them. NO MORE. Any additional information would be appreciated. I will definately write a letter and cancel my account.
It is too bad that PETA is involved in this, it hurts the credibility of the whole issue. Any information from "non-Peta" sources would be appreciated. |
| Hi,
William is 1/2 Windfield but from Margaret's last litter. The other half was from a Yoshi grandson. I believe he is around 6. We have Merlin's sister Lily who we took from a lady that lost her husband when she was 3 1/2 in Spartenburg, SC. Lily is 9 and doing great. Carolyn's boy I believe was around12 or just short of 13. He lost mobility and had been stuggling for over a year. They have two others but he was like Beau in your family. Head of household so to speak. And as with the rest of us, they are probably completely lost right now with him gone. It's hard to discribe the drama we feel when we loose one. I don't write much about it, you do a much better job than I ever could but it sounds about the same. zach |
| Hi again,
If that was all the farther you got on the video, it was the most humane part. It took all I had to finish watching it. I am sure you saw enough to make the point. Thanks you guys for taking the time. If you go to this link: http://www.animal-protection.net/ and click more by the white dog, "Dying for Fur - Inside the Chinese Fur Trade" there is a petition you can sign. Zach |
This is so much like Amazon.com and the dog fighting videos and fighting cock products. According to the info provided by HSUS and a MSNBC article they had removed the videos only to put them back up for sale. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17049201/ It sounds like JC Penney is doing the same exact thing but with Raccoon Dog fur 
If you want to contact your rep, you can use the HSUS website to look up their number... "...Please ask your U.S. Representative to support and co-sponsor the Dog and Cat Fur Prohibition Enforcement Act of 2007..." https://community.hsus.org/campaign/FED ... rce=gabatu No way can I watch more videos on cruelty. So I guess JC Penney is off my list now too. But it does nothing to simply stop buying from these companies... you need to contact them and tell them WHY. The best you can do is make others aware of it... thanks for the info. What has this world come to? There's so much cruelty and greed.
Jaci |
| I had seen that video and other that were similar in the past. Those images will be burned into my memory for a very long time. It's so incredibly sad.
The entire situation is simply disgusting and incredibly frustrating. Once I heard about this news, I reached out to the JC Penney PR folks and you would be even more annoyed by the reply that they provided. I had actually researched this topic after I read articles on the Humane Society web site and other new sites. Armed with more information than I needed, I approached JCP. Basically, in a nutshell, I said the following: I have researched the "asiatic raccoon" and according to the Humane Society of the US, this species is part of the dog family. JC Penney should be a more responsible corporate citizen and avoid selling such products that kill innocent creatures just for a fasion accessory. From this point on, I will never shop at JC Penney unless your business practices change. I am going to tell everyone that I know to do the same. JC Penney should be ashamed of itself! Here's a snippet of their reply: Please allow us to clarify a few points about our merchandise. First, the fur trim on coats described in recent news stories does not come from the animal that we commonly know as a ?dog.? It comes from a completely different animal known as the Asiatic Raccoon. It is as distinct from the ?dog? as the fox, which is also part of the same animal family. Found throughout Asia and Europe, this animal is named for its thick fur and markings that are very similar to those of a raccoon. --------------------------------------- I am just simply mortified that just don't seem to get it. I asked everyone I know to avoid JCP. Sorry for rambling. It's just so frustrating!!! |
| I was talking about China's treatment of animals just the other day (the killing of all dogs in a town for rabies control regardless of vaccination) and today I read this entry. I am way too scared to watch the video links. I will never stop crying and then I will get VERY angry.
We decided not to buy anything made in China last week and then realized that almost everything is made there. We don't have a JC Penny here but we no longer shop at Petsmart for their treatment of small animals and I will no longer be buying anything from China. China has terrible treatment of animals and terrible sanitation which leads to disease outbreaks and the death of thousands more animals for disease control purposes. Yet, we are having the Beijing Summer Olympics 2008. I am boycotting that too. |
| I usr Yahoo as my default page, and today there was the article about this terrible problem. Hopefully, many Yahoo users will read this and do something about it. |
| Just an update on the ongoing dog fur issue-
"...The Humane Society of the United States will ask the Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday to fine high-end retailers and designers of clothing that contains mislabeled fur from dogs, wolves and raccoon dogs. The group also would like inventories seized and perhaps charges filed..." Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17584385 |
| I did not look at this video since I have seen plenty of how the Chinese treat animals on numerous business trips to China since the 1980's. Walking along a busy commercial street in Beijing a few years ago I passed a large restaurant with a parking lot in front, clearly visible from the sidewalk. In it were two men dressed in cook's clothes, kneeling down in the empty lot. They had one of the common black dogs sold in food markets all over China. One man clubbed it on the head and the other proceeded to take a blow torch and begin to burn off the fur from the poor animal, a task they obviously didn't want to perform indoors. Even after many years of traveling in China I was appalled at the openness and indifference of it all.
The Chinese culture considers all animals as inconsequential. And virtually anything that moves is potentially a food item. I can understand this on an intellectual plane—a nation that struggles to feed its people would make use of any protein source— but as a person of Western values, I can never get past the huge cultural gulf that exists. Remember, in the US laws protecting pets from abuse predate even those laws protecting children from similar treatment. The Chinese would find this astonishing. If you are going to Beijing for the '08 Olympics, I doubt that you will see a lot of these type of offensive sights. The Chinese government will make sure to sanitize public behavior to that extent as they have done with the anti-spitting ordinance passed in Beijing last month. I would caution you, however, to avoid eating any red meat. |
| And to think....Buddism is commonly practised among the Chinese for thousands of years which promotes no killing for all living things!
What a shame...
-Gigi |
| But, I don't believe Buddhism is practiced by the majority there. I bet its around 15% who follow it devoutly. |
I am a Chinese but not from China. I grew up in Hong Kong. It may be a bit complicated to explain the difference but let me try to put it in this way. People from Hong Kong officially are considered as Chinese. However, we always refer ourselves as Hongkongnese. We had been governed by British government for over hundred of years until 1997. China and Hong Kong is seperated by tight broder control. It was almost impossible for common Chinese people traveling to Hong Kong before 1997. It is better now after Hong Kong being handed over back to China but they still need to apply visa to visit Hong Kong which takes a few months to process. Hong Kong citizens also need a special travel document just to go to China. Our cultures are not quite the same as there had not been a lot of interactions between Hong Kong people and people from China. We speak the same language but have different accents and different expressions. We use different currencies. It is a "little bit" similar to here in US. Some of your ancesters came over to US from England hundred years ago. Your ancestors were British but you consider yourself American. You speak the same language but different accents and different expressions as well (ie Top of the morning vs Good morning). You travel to England as a visitor and so are Hong Kong people travelling to China. You celebrate same holidays and festivals and have similar culture but different customs...Just like China and Hong Kong. The biggest difference is that Hong Kong is now back to China's governing and may be many years later, we will start really consider China and Hong Kong as one and the same. 
So anyhoo...my long story of background is just to tell you that I am a HongKongnese/Chinese. Therefore I cannot say for people in China because I am from Hong Kong. I do know only small portion of them really devoted in buddism but it is very common among ordinary chinese households to go to temples during chinese new years or carry out some rituals to worship some buddhas on some particular days throughout the year. I just think it is ironic not to practise what they preach. They go to all the lenght to show respect and worship the buddha/gwan yin...etc (prepare food and incense and burn paper stuff...etc) but they treat animal's life worse than trash. I would say this situation exists mostly in the older generations. Education were not very common for older generations. They just don't think it is wrong. 
Gigi |
| Great background about yourself! I liked it! |
| Thanks for sharing that Gigi, I think many Americans are very confused about the status of Hong Kong!! |
| Gigi, I love that you (and maybe all people from Hong Kong) call yourself HongKongese. I had a roommate and good friend in college from Hong Kong and I would always say she was HongKongese, but she would just laugh at me... |
| You are welcome.
I think many of you who have read my posts have been wondering for a while because of my weird English and grammatical errors 
Tasker's Mom, trust me, many of us Hongkongnese are confused of our identity too. It is like an orphan. We were brought up by a foster family and are used to it. We knew it all the time and accepted that we were not being treated like their real kids but we had a good life growing up. Suddenly we were being returned to our real parents. Even though there is a bond between us as they are our real family, they are still very much strangers to us. It is just not right to relate ourselves with the foster family who brought us up but it is also weird to really feel like our real parents and our real relatives are our "family". We are like ophans. 
It is especially weird after I moved here to the States 5 years ago. I met a lot of friends here and they have all kind of questions about China that I do not know the answers  They praise the Chinse culture when talking to me as a friendly gestures and such but I just had a hard time claiming the glory of the Chinese culture like I am part of it 
Hong Kong is a Cultural Desert, because there is none-- culturewise. It is a very modernized city, like Manhattan. We are also known as "Cement Forest" because it is high rise everywhere and it is so hard to find a patch of green.
-Gigi |
| Yes, Barney1, when we didn't even have a name to call ourselves, we needed to improvise |
| Where is PETA in all of this ???
I wont watch the video because I have a feeling I wont be able to get it out of my mind for a very long time....I can only imagine....It sounds horrendous (sp?) ... |
| I already emailed PETA about this issue...
I believe if they made the public aware of what goes on to get North American's their "Walmart Roll Backs" and $59.00 leather club chairs at a super store, people may not care to spend an extra $15.00 here and there. I used to work for a manufacturer who supplied to Walmart and we had to close down all our Canadian manufacturing and send it to China so the company could still have Walmart's business. If consumers keep demanding more competitive pricing things like standards, business ethics-you name it, gets ignored. Look at the food poisoning that just happened. Why is a company (Menu Foods) who has a head office in Ontario, Canada buying wheat gluten from China?? We are still not buying anything from China. You have no idea how many things I have wanted that I left on the shelf. |
| Good info, thank you!
Glad to hear it, not buying product from China or Penny's, me either! Zach |
| zach, thank you for sharing that with everyone. I just can't bring myself to watch, I feel ill just reading your words. It sickens me to my stomach that human beings coud do this,I had no idea. I used to work for JC Penny as a photographer and it makes me ill to think I supported that in any way. I will never shop there again! God is there nothing we can do? Have you contacted JC Penny? Is there any way we can mass email them or something?
Zoe |
| Hi Zoe,
Thanks for reading and responding. I have been signing petition upon petition for this situation as well as others and also our countries inhumane breeding, farming and slaughter practices. I have found out that we, the USA, really aren't any better than these poor 3rd world farmers and it really makes me sick. We need to feed our planet but it can easily be done in a much more humane way. It's probably a good idea not to watch this video. Not a day goes by that I still don't think of these poor creatures. Zach |
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