A good reason to keep a gun in the house after all
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/ ... 3026.shtml Our buddy was fine, but one of the guys kicked his little dog so hard that he knocked him out. Our friend found him in a snowbank crying and whimpering so as soon as he could, he took him to the emergency vet. He's an old dog so he's fragile but he was a trooper. He has a huge bruise on his chest and another large swelled area on his butt but nothing is broken. He's just sore. Our friend credits the dog with possible saving his life. Now our buddy is worried about retaliation from these guys' gang buddies or family. It's a pretty sad world... |
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| Wow... terrifying!
I'm glad your friend is ok, and that his dog will be ok... that's just horrible. Hopefully they've got the ones who have been committing those other crimes as well... |
| wow, that's an amazing story! That little dog is a hero...I hope he's going to be ok. He AND your buddy deserve a medal! |
| Holy cow! Im glad he is alright...I would freak and i mean freak out!! Brian has ''trained'' me ..
1.to keep all doors locked at all times. 2.Never to answer the door in the middle of the night. 3.Never to turn on an interior light when and if you hear a noise. 4.call 911 immediately even if it might turn out to be a false call. 5.stay in the farthest room, close to the floor, away from the door with the gun that has the laser red pointer thing aimed at the door. 6.the most important, if you dont think you can shoot, dont even go for the gun..... these are hard things to remember when youre scared awake in the middle of the night.....mentally i practice it, but if you all remember last springs noise episode, i didnt do so well....hopefully, ill learn from that and from jills friend.... |
| Poor pup, glad he's ok!!!!!!!!
It is a sad sad world. |
| I'm glad your friend is okay. Hopefully he helped end the crime spree.
Poor dog  hope he feels better soon  |
What a sad place this world is turning into. I'm glad your friend and his dog are okay. 
Our neighborhood is fairly rural. Close enough to a few small towns, about 10 miles away from the nearest bigger town. So because we're so off the beaten path, we've always felt fairly safe. We've even gone to bed forgetting to put the garage door down! Until about 18 months ago . . . Heard that there was an attempted robbery at a house around the corner from us. Owner (a senior citizen) didn't hear anything, just got up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. Saw flashlights flashing around the living room. He walked in on the would-be robbers, and luckily it scared them enough that they ran out before they could take anything. Don't know if they had weapons but because they just ran, my guess would be no. Just having that happen would be bad enough, but then we heard that when the police got there, they walked around the neighborhood with the K-9 dogs, who followed the robbers' scent to the cemetery - which is about 75 feet from my front door, right at the top of my front yard!! Yikes! WAY too close for comfort. Because Dale travels fairly frequently and both kids are gone, I insisted we have an alarm installed. At least it makes me feel more secure when I'm home alone. Like I said - what a sad place this world is turning into! |
| Here's another perspective. BTW, my uncle would disagree with my conclusions that guns in the house (as personal weapons) are more dangerous than not.
Over 30 years ago, my uncle, who was a farmer and a WWII vet, who grew up hunting, won marksmanship prizes, all his life used guns, had his farmhouse invaded. My uncle, who was very strong and fit, was disarmed by the invaders, who probably targeted his home precisely for the guns since no farmers in those days, in those parts, had much in the way of cash or pawnable goods around. They fired a shot at my uncle, in his own home, with his own gun, narrowly missing his head. Left him and my aunt tied up, took the guns. Keep in mind, my uncle was as knowledgeable and as skilled about firearms as anyone there is; he was strong, in great condition from all the physical labor he was accustomed to doing, in his 40's--but very hale and hearty. He was almost killed--it was only luck that saved his life, not his guns, not his strength, not his personal resolve, not his skill: luck that the gunman was a lousy shot. I'm grateful for the lousy shot, but I would never count on guns protecting me or my family. I grew up with a dad (and uncle and grandfather) who all hunted. There were always unlocked (and unloaded) guns around. All of us kids knew where they were. We could have grabbed one any time, although we knew better than to mess around with guns. I don't have a problem with hunters who are ethical (a whole different post) although I chose many years before I married my city boy husband not to become a hunter myself. I do have a problem with people using guns as personal protection. I know of too many cases where a young child gained access to a loaded gun, with tragic results or where a family gun was used in a suicide or domestic assault, and more than one where the gun was taken from the owner and used against him/her. And guns often enter the illegal side of things when they are stolen from homes, making us all less safe. |
| What a frightening tale!! I am very glad to hear that your friend is okay and that his poor little doggie is going to be alright too. Bless his little heart, he probably did save your friend's life. |
| Very scary.
Darcy, why wouldn't you turn on an interior light? Would it alert the intruders to where you were hiding? |
OMG...how scary for your friend and his pooch  I can't even imagine! |
| yes steph. you dont want to alert the intruder to which part of the house you are ....in the dark, you know your house and should be able to move around and make a quick exit if necessary. |
| We were burglarized when I was a child and after than point always had home alarm systems. I have one now too. On a few occasions I've opened the door to let Bailey out in the morning without turning off the alarm first. As soon as I deactivate the alarm, the alarm company is on the phone asking me for my password. It's very reassuring to know that, for $29 a month, someone is looking out for you 24/7. |
| Oh, that is so scary!!!! I am so glad to hear your friend was the one shooting and not the other way around! We talked about getting a gun before my husband left for Iraq (went shopping for one), but I decided against it at the very end. I just wanted a gun. He said, "I'm not getting a gun unless you get bullets for it too." Then I got too scared to keep it. I fired my m16 in the military, but it scared me to death each time. Anyway, my biggest fear is someone coming to my door at night. I keep a hammer in my end table next to the bed (like that will do much). lol |
Just remember, whatever weapon you choose to wield....you MUST be able to use it....I would think a hammer could easily be wrenched out of your hand.....  |
| How scarey but I'm so glad your friend and his dog are both okay |
| Yeah, my husband said I'd also have to learn to use it before he left. We found one that was light and good for "women," but again... I just don't like holding one. I freak out.
I put the hammer in my drawer because my plan is always to boink them when they try to open the bedroom door or come up the stairs.  My alternate plan is to grab the set of knives on kitchen counter, but I always wonder if I'd have time to get them before someone came up the stairs.
With the baby monitors on, I'm always afraid I'll see a burglars face when I look at the monitory (video camera)... and I think the wind is always someone trying to come into the window since it picks up any little sound. I think I check on my son way too many times a night. There were 2-3 burglaries in my neighborhood a month before we moved in (brand new homes w/no one living in them, so they just basically tore up the carpets and stole it, etc. stupid), which is why I think I get so freaked out all the time.
Anyway, it's so scary to know it happened to someone on the board or someone they know. |
tgir wrote: I do have a problem with people using guns as personal protection. I know of too many cases where a young child gained access to a loaded gun, with tragic results or where a family gun was used in a suicide or domestic assault, and more than one where the gun was taken from the owner and used against him/her. And guns often enter the illegal side of things when they are stolen from homes, making us all less safe.
This wasn't meant to be a post about gun control. It's a circular argument that I never like having, which is why I choose not to take a stance and why I mentioned that right away. I'm sorry I used that title for the post now. I just wanted to share how this instance of having a weapon for personal protection may have saved his life. |
| In Boston yesterday, a taxi driver was robbed at knife point. After the robber left the cab, the driver grabbed his personal gun chased the guy down and shot him in the back.
They have charged the taxi driver with "a list of charges" including assault with a dangerous weapon with intent to murder. Both he and the robber are being held on $10,000 cash bail. The driver was working three jobs to support his family; now he's out of work completely and it is going to cost him a lot of money to be acquitted by a jury, unless a prosecutor smartens up and reduces the charges to a misdemeanor. |
| Wow, Jill. How awful for your friend to have experienced that!
I think with a big sign that says "BEWARE OF DOG" you don't need a gun....or anything else, for that matter. Oh, yeah....and a really, big, thick chain tied to the front porch with nothing on the end...  Because the dog is inside the house,of cource! |
| How scary!
I am glad you friends are okay and that these guys have been caught. Poor little doggie, I hope he's feeling better soon. |
ButtersStotch wrote: tgir wrote: I do have a problem with people using guns as personal protection. I know of too many cases where a young child gained access to a loaded gun, with tragic results or where a family gun was used in a suicide or domestic assault, and more than one where the gun was taken from the owner and used against him/her. And guns often enter the illegal side of things when they are stolen from homes, making us all less safe. This wasn't meant to be a post about gun control. It's a circular argument that I never like having, which is why I choose not to take a stance and why I mentioned that right away. I'm sorry I used that title for the post now. I just wanted to share how this instance of having a weapon for personal protection may have saved his life. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make it into a thread about gun control either. But my uncle's experience really made me think--hard--about using a gun for protection. It's a major reason I wouldn't ever consider it. My uncle wouldn't feel the same way at all--I'm sure he still has guns in his home. It's my personal response to an event that happened in my family. Ron, I don't know about Boston, but wherever I've lived, you have a right to defend your property while the thief is on the property, but not chase him down and shoot him in the back. |
| I see. Everyone is supposed to have perfect control of their emotions after having a knife held to your throat. Maybe he was worried the guy might come back or hail him again? |
Ron wrote: I see. Everyone is supposed to have perfect control of their emotions after having a knife held to your throat. Maybe he was worried the guy might come back or hail him again?
I'm sorry again. I won't be back after this. I wasn't addressing the moral or emotional rights or wrongs of the situation, but the legal ones. |
| Clearly it isn't "legal" for someone to chase after someone and shoot them in the back. It is the prosecutor's job to apply critical thinking and to use his/her discretion in the charges brought.
I was suggesting that this hard working taxi driver, working 3 jobs to earn money to support his family, after being threatened with a knife and having that money taken from him, reacted in such a way that no jury is going to find him guilty of attempted murder. All that a trial will accomplish is a political statement, and to drain this poor driver of any hope he has at building any personal future for him or his family, all because of some idiot with a knife. The idiot who risked his life to rob that cabbie, and who could have just as easily been killed with no ramifications if the cabbie had access to his weapon 30 seconds earlier. Further, the district attorney also had him held ON THE SAME BAIL as the guy who held him up. Now, bail isn't about whether a person is guilty, and isn't about whether or not they are likely to commit a crime while out on bail. It's supposed to be about ensuring that someone returns for trial. Who is more likely to flee, the honest, hardworking family guy, or the thug that stuck a knife to his throat? Nowadays however, they have something called a "dangerousness" hearing, where bail can be modified based on the "dangerousness" of someone charged with a crime. I guess that didn't get applied here, either. I used to have to take a lot of cabs. These guys work a heck of a lot of hours, and are forced by law to take every fare that gets into their cab anywhere they ask. I think a much better "message" for the DA to have sent would have been something like "illegal discharge of a weapon within the city" or some other misdemeanor, and send the message that if you rob a cabbie you might get killed, so don't do it. IMnsHO  |
| Jill, glad your friends are okay. Such a scary thing to go through. |
| Thanks everyone. Our friend is doing pretty well under the circumstances. His boss offered to put him up in a hotel for a week but he just wants to be home. He's a big guy and it's sad to hear him sound a little scared to be at home. His dog is sore but seems to be doing okay, too. We haven't heard any news on the guy he shot yet. I'm pretty interested to see how everything will play out. |
I've been telling all my friends about this. Because the nice thing for me to do is scare them.  Anyway, that is AWESOME of his boss to offer a hotel for a week. Wish he would have taken him up on the offer! |
| It's so creepy to have that happen to someone so close to you. You know what my first reaction was, though? I thought wow, I think he's wanted to shoot someone his whole life and he finally got to. I told him that and he was like, yeah, but not like this. LOL |
| In what situation would he have preferred to shoot someone??? |
| One of my first thoughts when I read the first post was "Wow, I can't believe he got to shoot someone" too instead of "Wow, I can't believe he shot someone!" I just can't believe he was so brave and turned out to be the hero of it all... |
Sheepie Heaven wrote: In what situation would he have preferred to shoot someone???
You know, like someone you can't stand at work or a guy that cut you off in traffic. Normal stuff.  |
| Ahh...Michigan sounds like a LOVELY place to visit! |
| Not sure what this specific incident has to do with Michigan as a whole, but, sure ok... |
It had to do with the fact that Michiganers would like the opportunity to shoot coworkers or traffic incidents...it was a weak attempt at a joke...it's snowy and sleepy here today and so is my wit  |
| WOW I HAVE MISSED A LOT.
Ron I think you are so correct about the cabbie, and i sure hope things work out maybe we should write to oprah and get someone to help him with his legal fee. god don't you just wish it was that easy.
i am sorry about you friend buterscotch, but as usual for me i cried about the little dog. so sad. i got the joke about michagan, but really the joke lies in that is tere any state any better really.  |
barney1 wrote: It had to do with the fact that Michiganers would like the opportunity to shoot coworkers or traffic incidents...it was a weak attempt at a joke...it's snowy and sleepy here today and so is my wit
I know. Scared you, didn't I? Were you worried you might be next? Lol. |
Quote: My alternate plan is to grab the set of knives on kitchen counter, but I always wonder if I'd have time to get them before someone came up the stairs.
Joahaeyo.......I don't think so. Knives you must get up close and personal. The chances of inflicting a serious would are minimal, you'd just enrage them then they'd be close to you. Nope! So far I'm relying on my dogs to alert me to trouble and the window seems like a nice exit in a hurry. If I had to go for a gun, a nice pump action sawed off shotgun, cut to the "legal" length, hard to miss with and the sound of a round being chambered is enough to send many folks running. Actually the laser sighted hand gun sounds pretty nifty too Darcy. |
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