Leash biting
 ) Does anyone have ideas? My hand hurts!!! 
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| I think all the dogs I've had did that in the beginning. Oh wait... yuki still bites on the leash and makes it impossible to walk when we first go out on our walks!!!!
They DO get used to the leash. I would walk less than a block with Yuki dragging behind on her rear the first month! Anyway, just keep walking him!!! Correct him by shortening the leash and taking one step at a time. Once he stops, proceed. Short sessions of this daily will help!!! 
I will say we did go through a few sizes in haltis before she fit into an adult one. Even then you'll have to go through him getting used to it all over again. Yuki will sometimes roll on the floor like a goofball when she has one on. Continuing to walk by a small tug always stops her. We used to do what was recommended on the package which was let her wear it w/o the leash on in the house for short sessions, but it was when the leash was on that she got the itchy dance (what I call it). |
| I would love to help, but I'm in kind of the same boat as you are, just maybe not quite to the same degree. I let Kirby drag the leash around to the point he doesn't mind it being hooked to his collar, but outside of that, as soon as I try to lead him somewhere, he freaks out. I'll be interested to find out what others have to say.
Vince |
| Add me to the list of having leash problems! My pup literally tears the thing apart! I'm starting Puppy K next week and bought a new leash because the one we've been using is already "worn out" from all the chewing and pulling!
I'm not big on the halties...I think you need to get control first. By using the halti right off the bat, I doubt you will ever get control. My trainer used to tell me think of the leash as an extention of your arm...and you don't want the dog chewing at your arm, do you! Not knowing hold old your pup is, I don't think the prong is appropriate either. So, what is the answer |
Quote: 'm not big on the halties...I think you need to get control first.
See, I have the opposite opinion. They are used FOR training purposes according to the back of the package. It wasn't until we got one that we gained control back and got to enjoy our walks fully. Then when placed on a normal leash, they tend to be more relaxed, assuming you were training while using the halti. That's how we were taught at least from our class It was a lot easier to leash train my 2-6lb dog than it was my growing rapidly sheepie.  |
Can you teach "heel" with a halti? Growing up with dogs that my father trained with a choke chain, (I am not good with a choke chain, I have an can use it and make it work, but I guess I just don't like them  ) I just am not sure how to obedience train a dog with the halti. I'm trying lots of different mothods, but heel and all the basics are things that I need to start doing soon. And I have always done heel and come with a long leash (well, long for "come" and short for "heel")
I have to say that when I met Yuki, she was very polite and only jumped one time. She went with her mommy wherever she needed to go and was very well behaved. You rock, Leanne!!! |
Quote: I have to say that when I met Yuki, she was very polite and only jumped one time. She went with her mommy wherever she needed to go and was very well behaved. You rock, Leanne!!! Laughing Laughing
Um, that wasn't true... but w/o the halti, I don't know what I'd do! My husband prefers the leash and feels so bad for yuki when she's on the halti, but he also thinks everyone loves yuki and wants yuki to love on them.
The truth: new2sheepies is a really nice woman who was very nice to Yuki.  |
I'd love to know how to stop them jumping and chewing at the leash too  Yesterday I tried a gentle leader and it was better and I'm hoping once she is walking better I will be able to go back to the regular collar and leash |
Joahaeyo wrote: The truth: new2sheepies is a really nice woman who was very nice to Yuki. 
You are too funny! Yuki is a sweetie.  |
| It was easy for your son not to be afraid of Yuki (as he called him Batman) because he was in a shopping cart at a safe distance.
I'm so excited for you. Plan on a sheepie get together when Mr. J comes at the end of march/early april for his 2 wk leave! he already can't wait and told me to make sure i plan one. |
| Well, I guess I stand corrected about the halti I never did use one but from the dogs I've seen using them, they were completely out of control, tugging and pulling. I guess the "parents" didn't put in the work you did Leaann! So, which one would you recommend?
I always trained with the slip/choke collar. But then again, my first OES did not eat the leash the way this one does...or maybe I just don't remember that. It's been a long time since I had a puppy...and I was alot younger! Since we are starting Puppy K next week, I'll listen to what the trainer suggests...hopefully we don't get "dismissed"! |
| If I had a choice, I prefer the slip/choke collar for training! I think they're the best and ideal for training. You're right.. for puppy training, it may be hard to do a quick tug to correct something if you've got the halti on (because a quick tug just makes them face you instead of saying "HEY. STOP)." I thought we were just talking about walking and not sitting, laying down, etc which you learn in class. Good luck! |
| Teaching them a good "leave it" or "drop it" type command works well with leash biting.
Whenever Barkley bites at his leash I say a quick "drop it" and he'll let go of it, then I get his focus back on our walk. "Drop it" is easy to train with lots of treats and praise. It works like a trading game. He trades whatever he has in his mouth for praise and/or a treat. |
| derby is into his 3rd week of class and i am having the same problem they want me to keep praticing.. my problem is i have a lot of land and he never goes for walks with my broken foot it is hard .. but my trainer said derby does herd alot when she tryed to walk him.. oh yes not to many sheepies in fla and her classes .. she laughs every time she see him .. doesn't she know all oes's are class clowns |
| I have read this post, as it grows daily with more people adding in the same problem. This is very easy to fix, actually.
You need a leave-it or drop-it command already. At the very least a quick 'tsst' or "grrr" sound. Timing is the key, as well as you being attentive to your dog while on lead. Catch your dog in the act -as he/she is going for the grab -with the quick sound. If you are too late and they already get the lead in the mouth, then use the leave-it. Immediately after they stop going for the lead, give happy verbal praise and a hug, or whatever works best for your dog. The key is to be quick and not have them actually get the lead in the mouth. Then the training goes much easier and quick. If they are resorting to playing with the lead, they are 1. bored or 2. trying to get your attention. Fix the cause, and you won't have your dog repeating the behavior. I hope this helps. |
| Nicole, are you planning on enrolling in any classes for Loki? we've had very good experiences with Alyeska Canine Trainers...If your interested, get on a waiting list quickly, as they fill up amazingly fast! |
OK.  I know he is a puppy, but goodness!!!! He is going crazy on lead!!! I can't get him to out (or leave it as you guys are all used to ) I got a huge gash in my arm from trying to get him to walk net tome while on lead. (heel) I know he's young, but I think if you start them young it will be better for both. I actually had to put him on his back a few times during and after because he was growling and all that at me! What happened to my sweet sheepie!? 
I'm gonna keep trying, but I think I may have to enroll him in puppy ed. Much to my hubby's dismay at more $$. I am not using a choke chain, but I am seriously considering it. I really don't like it. Sorry to sound like I'm being horrible to my little puppy! I feel horrible! I have never had a dog that threw down like this!!
Hubby just came in and OF COURSE!!! He does ok after a while with HIM. If he can do it.. so can I .
Update before I even post: Hubby must have broken him.. He came back in after 15 minutes and Loki was walking pretty well. I took him out, he doesn't like being made to walk behind or next to me, but he did LOTS and LOTS better!!! I   hubby, even though sometimes we don't agree on methods. I'm gonna have to work with him alot though, but that is ok! I got him knowing it would be work! I love him to death, but I think he's a little off put by the work, and a little grumpy at me. he'll get over it.
Thanks for letting me vent!! (When I said he, I meant Loki.. ) |
| Hi,
Keep working at it and good luck - they do eventually get used to it. I have the same concerns as yourself regarding chokes as used improperly or too hard of a tug can damage a dog's throat. They actually did a study once and found that a huge number of dogs whom had autopsies performed after they passed, had throat damage due to improper use of choke chains. The purpose of the study was to monitor these dogs throughout their life spans and only choke chains had been used on them. One method I found worked really well is if they start to bite the leash..immediately stop and don't keep walking, correct the behavior and then praise. I know easier said than done. I love the Gentle Leader and many of us rave about them in here..although some dogs take a while to get used to them, even the tiniest person can have control of a large dog. Good Luck to you Marianne and the boys |
| Good grief girl.. you've only had the dog for a few days. Give the pup a break! Everything takes LOTS of time ...I'd like to think a little extra time is needed for some of our sheepies
I'm glad things turned out well in the end! |
| OMG. Please don't be offended, but I am concerned....
Quote: OK. I know he is a puppy, but goodness!!!! He is going crazy on lead!!! Yes he is a puppy. Think of him as a 6 month old human baby. He needs patience and love and a calm, tender mommy right now. He is fighting the lead because he hates it. He will continue to hate it until you make it an enjoyable experience. Don't pull him around on the leash. Think about what you want and work toward a simple goal. Right now you just want him to enjoy the leash. Don't put any tension on it, and give him little treats to get him to follow you. If he goes off in another direction just stop. Don't move until HE slacks the leash. You can lure him back to you with a treat. But keep it calm, and happy and fun for him.. Quote: I can't get him to out (or leave it as you guys are all used to You have to teach him this. He has no clue what you want from him if you say "Leave it". You need to teach him. In the training area of the forum there is a post on teaching "Leave It" or "Off." Quote: I got a huge gash in my arm from trying to get him to walk net tome while on lead. (heel) I know he's young, but I think if you start them young it will be better for both. You should not be fighting with your puppy. You need to work WITH him. He is way too young to "heel". This is a formal walking position that is not fun for a 10 week old puppy. Walks need to be fun and a happy time. There is lots of time to teach him to do a "formal heel", which actually should only last for a minute or 2, even on a trained dog. I would think you would be happy if he just walks next to you, yes? This needs to be trained, again, with lots of treats to make him WANT to. Quote: I actually had to put him on his back a few times during and after because he was growling and all that at me! You do not need to do this. It will only make him fear you and then learn that he needs to defend himself from you. You should only be using your hands for pats and treats. Otherwise he will develope a real potential to bite you or one of the kids. By him growling at you he is letting you know that he is feelig threatened. You are his mommy, and he needs you to have patience with him..... Quote: I'm gonna keep trying, but I think I may have to enroll him in puppy ed. Much to my hubby's dismay at more $$. I am not using a choke chain, but I am seriously considering it.
A positive obedience class will do wonders for you and your puppy. Training is part of the investment towards a well-behaved pet. And as previously mentioned a choke collar is not a good idea. They are punishment based and a puppy should not be punished for something that he has no idea how to do. Please remember that he is a baby, and needs to believe you are his safe person who he can trust to teach him what you want. My personal mantra for dog training is "Never do anything to hurt or scare the dog". Makes for a happy, confident, predictable dog that is willing to learn. |
| Thanks guys! I totally understand all of your concern. I am ware he is a pup, and when I wrote that i was a bit frazzled. I actually wasn't trying to put him on heel, just walk next to me.. I guess I just use the word heel to easily.. I was mostlytrying to move him away from the cat poop to go poop himslf. (he is finally going potty on lead and walking next to me ) He just got mad because I kinda tugged a little to keep him away from the ppoo he loves so much (by tugged I mean gently, because getting my hands near him when he had the leash on was kinda not a great idea.. see where that got me. ) and the only reason I rolled him over was because he growled and bit me. He has (before this) growled at and tried to snap at my daughter over a treat. (I of course was there. ) I want him to know that that is not acceptable at any age.
I really do understand he is a pup, and I am giving him plenty of lovins and free time! He still loves his mamma and follows me everywhere, even out of a dead sleep. I don't expect him to get heel for a while I just want him to walk next to me without going ballistic. Sorry if I sounded harsh. I am usually a very patient and nice person.. I guess sometimes you have a rough day. I didn't take it out on him or yell and spank him or anything like that, I just calmly as I could told him no, and when he continued to bite the leash and me, I flipped him over.
I agree with you though, Nicole. I am used to older dogs and dogs that dont care too much about leashes or people touchin their stuff. I may have over reacted a little.. He is doing better now and I assume he'll only get better as he gets more used to it here.
P.S. He's sitting in my lap right now trying desperately to get me off the computer and pay attention to him..
I just love him!!!!! |
| Good luck witih the leash Duchess and I have started to use the gentle leader and it has made a big difference in the pulling bit, she mostley walks beside me now because she is so busy trying to get the GL off she doesn't think of pulling. now I just have to get her to stop chewing on the leash LOL We are going to puppy class and even if we don't learn to much it is such a joy to see her playing with all the other puppies it's well worth it |
| I really want to try the halti or the gentle leader. Does the gentle leader grow with them? (Darn cheapskate hubby ) I tink that might help. I guess there are good days and bad days in puppyhood..
Man! That cat doody must be really good to get him so riled up!!! |
| Well, i have a 4 month old pup and she used to bite the leash when we had one that i bought from the pet store. It wasnt a choker.
Since then i have thrown it away and made my own. Simply tie a barrel knot into the rope with a loop, this way it can be as loose as you want it to be and if she/the dog starts to pull or jump around, there is a consequence of the loop getting tight around her neck and staying tight until she stops going crazy. Once she has stopped, loosen it again. I also make sure she knows im taking her for a walk and not the other way around. She walks behind me at all times, so she understands that im the pack leader and follows commands. When walking, i also take her off the leash from time to time during the walk to give her some freedom, then when its time to go back on again..... shes more than happy. |
| I wouldn't use that type of device... at least I wouldn't recommend it on a wide scale.
A regular "choke" lead is designed to release immediately after the pulling stops. It sounds like with yours it must be manually loosened. There are many collars that will work to stop pulling, including a prong collar that I would use before your homemade choke collar; I'd just be too afraid of my dog getting away, or some other mishap causing the dog to get badly choked. |
| ooops I am a bad bad owner
I sort of encourage Archie to play with his lead 
We have a game where I sort of dangle a loop of the lead (like a carrot) in front of him, and he leaps along bounding for it, he can do this for a few hundred yards, then he gets bored and goes back to sniffing the pavement or verge. Must tell myself off! - No I don't intend to show him, especially in obedience! |
Archies Slave wrote: ooops I am a bad bad owner
I sort of encourage Archie to play with his lead We have a game where I sort of dangle a loop of the lead (like a carrot) in front of him, and he leaps along bounding for it, he can do this for a few hundred yards, then he gets bored and goes back to sniffing the pavement or verge. Must tell myself off! - No I don't intend to show him, especially in obedience! Yeah, well, then join the bad owner club. I start puppies on a leash this way. They find it more fun. If they actually go in the direction I'm hoping, that's a bonus Later I put it on command so they know when it's OK to grab the leash to play, and then they have a command to release it and walk like a normal dog I actually find it really useful for both performance events and showing them in breed.
Bottom line, you've cultivated some of his playdrive and are in an excellent postion to train him to trial in obedience. When can we expect to see the two of you out there?
Kristine |
new2sheepies wrote: HELP!!! What do you do when a puppy acts like you are killing him on a leash? He bites it and yips and yanks and jumps and grinds in his feet and then he runs forward.. I am a leash type of person. It keeps them away from stray cat poop and other dogs and other people for that matter! I haven't had a dog mind the leash as much as he does! What hould I do? I don't wanna go get a prong collar as he is still little! My hubby thinks a halti is too spendy for a little puppy to grow out of.. (he hasn't even looked at prices. my oes is now 2 years old he had simialr issues i walked him twice a night and taught him it was for his safety i gave him a treat
) Does anyone have ideas? My hand hurts!!! Thanks! every time he did it right including wait at stop sign and junctions its a continuous process when i say wait he waits heels also very well the only thing i cant control is when he sees a stray cat he wants to chase it our cat he doesnt chase anymore he now licks and cuddles him so it takes time for them to settle down and feel secure they need training so he nows whos boss by just the tone of your voice he knows be very patent they are beautifull friendly warm and social and love attention .good luck |
got sheep wrote: If they are resorting to playing with the lead, they are 1. bored or 2. trying to get your attention.
or 3) Part retriever (or Newfoundland ) in which case you always put something in their mouth before you try to walk them |
| Rub a habanero on the leash. If a jalapeno works great, didn't for my dog. Habanero sure as hell did. |
| I let my boy play with his leash/lead, infact I have the habbit now of playing with him and the lead for the first few hundred yards, imagine a big daft hairy thing leaping for joy as I dangle it like a carrot!, the nylon webbing one I use also acts a bit like a toothbrush in some regards, as he plays with it, once this little routine is over he doesn't seem to do it any more that day. |
| Chauncey has always done this. When he was a year and 90lbs., I found it less cute. When he started pulling and acting out, I'd turn around and say " if you won't behave no walk ", and I'd turn for home. It only took him a day or 2 to realize that if he acted like an idiot, we were going home. I can now take him to craft fairs, walks, the canal and with some corrections we have a really good time.
Bob on the other hand doesn't make him listen ( BTW: I'm not Atilla The Hun ). Chaunce and I have a great time at the pet stores where we go for entertainment on bad weather days. Bobby was amazed when he went with Chauncey & I to a large out-door craft show a few months ago. He held the leash and I walked on the other side talking to Chaunce. Soooo many people came up to him, and at 1st Bobby was nervous, but Chaunce was the man, he took those hugs and cuddles with style & grace He was free with the kisses and they were well recieved.
His treat was a trip to a food vendor for a pit-beef and a bottled water.  And I proved to Bobby that Chauncey is socialized in large crowds and was extremely well .behaved    |
| Any time Jenny starts to bite the leash while walking or jumping around like a nut while leash walking, I make her stop by giving the sit/stay command for a few seconds and her attention will usually get refocused on what she is supposed to be doing and not what Jenny wants to do. Most times this does work, occasionally, I need to do this twice.
Jenny loves to go everywhere with us, her favorite store is Pet Smart which of course is very pet friendly. I always say that Jenny is a "street Angel" and a "house devil" because she is so well behaved when out in public. I guess I should be very greatful for that!! |
Quote: Bob on the other hand doesn't make him listen
Wayne doesnt make Tiggy or Rastus listen either. They drag him around on the leash, like he's their ball and chain. It drives me crazy, because unless I walk them seperately myself nearly every day they decide its OK to drag me around to.
As I weigh quite a bit less than Wayne this is not fun. Wayne says it ruins his walk to have to scold them and that they should be allowed to be dogs.
On the other hand he doesnt like taking them places where they have to stay on lead for very long. Wayne grew up on a farm where the dogs had the run of the place, but as I pointed out to him we live in the city. I dont need more dog training techniques I need husband training techniques. |
| Mim, I had to laugh about your husband training techniques, if you get any good pointers, let me know! LOL |
Mim wrote: Quote: Bob on the other hand doesn't make him listen I dont need more dog training techniques I need husband training techniques. don't we all. I can walk Mr Newfie Puppy and he walks sedately next to me, he and dan, not so nice - and dan is the one taking him to obedience classes!! its just like the kids - the dogs know I mean it when I tell them to behave (well mostly my trainer thinks i am a push over ) |
| Cough cough, now now ladies careful what you say about us male owners |
Quote: Cough cough, now now ladies careful what you say about us male owners
It's the other way around in our house
But I have the excuse that I'm the one with rheumatoid arthritis, I just don't have the strength to keep him at heel. Greg is such a stickler for rules though, he does everything the right way
Between us we get by. |
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