4 year old oes is no longer housebroken
Thanks very much, Kim |
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| Was Maxx carte trained? If so, start using the crate again for a couple of months. Or close him up in a room at night.
My two year old started peeing in the den at night. In spite of going out late before bed and even at 3 AM, if needed. She was checked for a bladder infection, though we really didn't see it as the issue and cleared. So she now sleeps in our room with the door closed or in her crate. We did this for 2 months, now we can keep our door open again. Amazing how there no accidents in our room during the closed door period. |
| I agree - try the crate if you have one. Dogs don't like to "go" in their sleepy area, and if this is where he's sleeping then it will help to get rid of peeing in the crate. Then this idea can be expanded on to the rest of the house. The biggest help (for me) would be to actually walk Maxx outside and wait for him to pee/poop and praise ecstatically. Kindof like starting over with puppy-training. |
mkariggs wrote: No matter how many times I scold him or rub his nose in the poop. He still continues to do this.
Kim Please do not scold him or rub his nose in it. This does nothign except make him fear you and increase his stress,which in turn will continue to create bahavioral problems. First thing is to have him checked for physical health problems. Second is to limit his access to those area that he has been using as a washroom. Use his crate if he cannot be supervised.n Third is to take him out "on leash" and reward his proper potty duties with a tasty treat. He may be afraid to go in front of you, now, due to the scolding etc. This may take time as you will need to build back his trust. Go the the "Housetraining" area. There is a thread called "House- training Guidlelins" and there are tips for adult dogs in there. Good luck. |
Quote: or rub his nose in the poop.
that is disgusting even though I know you meant "near/above the poop." 
hope you get the problem solved. i'd be going nuts if that was happening. When I was having potty issues w/my dog, I took the water away a little earlier than 9 p.m. especially if I got early like you (which I did). |
| I would say use the crate and just go through the puppy training process again. I also agree with the person who said do not rub their nose in it, not good idea. Hope you get the problem solved soon. |
| As Bosleys mom suggested firstly a vet check to rule out any underlying medical problems causing this.
If nothing there then take him back to basic potty training again. No rubbing his nose in it either that only makes the situation worse and ongoing. Start with a strict routine and if he has previously been use to a crate then crating again. Keep the same strict routine going and stick to it and it should start to click again if there is no underlying medical problems. Also has there been any sort of change in his routine or enviroment? Have you had Maxx since a Pup? Is he Neutered? Just asking a few questions there, that might conrtribute to helping you find out why this sudden unusual behaviour started.  |
| I agree with what everyone's said.
Quote: Please do not scold him or rub his nose in it So many people have been illadvised to use this training technique. This might allow you to work off some of your frustration but it will make the dog fear you. The general rule is that you don't reprimand unless you've actually caught the dog in the act of peeing/pooping. You then escort them outside and tell them to do their business.
First, rule out a urinary tract infection and struvite crystals by dropping off a fresh, sterile urine sample at your vet's. You might also consider a full wellness check to see if there is a physical reason behind the behavior. We pick up the water by 7pm during cold weather... they go out for the last time between 8:00 and 8:30pm and we're up with them usually around 4am to go again. Make sure you're giving him enough time to do his business before coming back in and that he's not being fed after the last time outside. If there are no infections or crystals, have there been any changes recently in your family's routine? Some dogs will poop/pee in the house if they are anxious or if they are experiencing separation anxiety. Does he have the same sleeping arrangements as before or have there been any big changes in the household or his routine? Also, is he neutered? Restricting access to rooms he is using as the bathroom may help to curb the behavior but I think if he's been housebroken for 4 years something else is going on. Jaci |
| I took Maxx to the vet and his ears and urine are fine. There have not been any new changes or additions to the household. I have a fenced back yard so I usually just let him out at midnight for about 30 minutes and he comes back in when he is ready. I am not actually rubbing Maxx's nose in his poop. I am just placing his nose down beside the poop and telling him that this is bad. I have tried taking up his water at 730 and he is still going potty in the house. I can take him outside and walk with him and encourage him to potty outside and he will do a little of his business and then go back into the house and go potty in the house.
Maxx never liked his crate when he was a puppy. I tried putting him in the crate a couple of times when he was younger and it appeared to me like I was forcing and traumatizing him. So I stopped. He sleeps in the bed with me just like he always has. I bought Maxx as a puppy and he is neutered. Thanks again for any help and advice, kim |
| The only other thing I can think of is closing the bedroom door so he has to stay in the bedroom with you. If he sees the bedroom as his den he might not "soil" it. Maybe he would whine to get out or pace so you'd know when he needed to go. Panda would do this... she had struvite crystals that caused an urgency to go so she would pee in the other room at night until we finally closed her in with us. She'd whine/pace so we'd know she had to be let out to go.
We teach all of ours to "go on command". A vet had instilled in us that there will be a time when you have an appointment and you simply won't have the time to let the dog meander around the yard for a half hour so teach them to go when told. We took this to heart and all of ours will do this... even Panda who we adopted from a rescue a year and a half ago. You take the dog outside on a leash every time during training and tell them to do their business... once they're done you let them off leash to play. After they're trained, EVERY time the go outside it's potty first, play later. We do have one that wants to play first and will head to the fence when the "door" command is given.  We have to keep after that one.
Jaci By the way, we don't use crates either. |
| That is a very good idea to have them do their business on command. I just let obe out for a 15 or 2 minutes and he will do what it is he needs to do. I did use a crate when he was a very young but he now stays in the bedroom with the door shut when I leave. His crate is there and open with his toys if he decides to get in then fine. Most of the time he will just lay down on his bed and play with toys, bone, or just go ot sleep. He is getting fixed on the 13th of Feb feel bad for him actually but it needs to be done. I am hoping that it will not be a mistake and change him to much. Right now he minds and does pretty much what ever it is I tell him cant complain at all. |
It sounds like you've got a great sheepie Shon.  Speak with your vet but I really wouldn't worry about the neuter surgery changing him in a bad way. If anything it should keep him more content with less of a desire to roam. When we were kids we had an unaltered male Schnauzer-mix that developed prostate cancer... neutering will also help to prevent that. It can also subdue some of the dominant urges both male and female sheepies get as they "come of age" around the age of 1 year.
Jaci PS- I should have said we no longer use crates... so far we've always discontinued using them by around 6 months of age. |
| I noticed in your picture that your sheepies have on booties. I assume they dont mind wearing them. I was wondering if it took a while for them to get used to wearing them? Also is there sizes or do they stretch? Would hate to buy some and then in a couple of months have to buy more because they no longer fit. |
| The two sheepies pictured have bad allergies to molds found in the ground. Once there's snow on the ground the allergies, so far anyway, have disappeared. The boots are Muttluks and they act as a physical barrier between the feet and the ground.
This is just my opinion but the yellow and black all-weather ones haven't held up very well for us. They have that black band of stretchy fabric around the tops but I've found it frays so the $88 investment in two pairs from PetSmart wasn't very economical. I returned one set after just one day of use but found all of them have done this. About a week later we purchased the red and black winter version of Muttluks that seem to hold up much better and I found a good price online- $26.95 with free shipping- http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html ... b0d0204ae5 . If you visit the Muttluks website you'll find a sizing chart- http://muttluks.com/sizing_chart/index.php The key to getting them to wear them is simply to put them on every time they go outside. And make sure you make them snug with the velcro strap so they won't fall off. They will walk funny at first but mine adjusted quickly. Three of my sheepies wear them. Jaci- (Sorry to everyone out there about being off-subject) |
| Hi
It could be something simple like a water infection, if in doubt take him to vet, if his ways have changed the vet is the best person to see 
I also agree never to rub a dogs nose in it he will get stressed and will not understand especially if he cant help it! good luck! xx |
mkariggs wrote: I was wondering what I should do. Maxx has always been well behaved and housetrained. The last month he has developed this habit of urinating on the walls and having bowel movements on the carpet. No matter how many times I scold him or rub his nose in the poop. He still continues to do this. He goes outside for the last time at midnight and at 0500 I am awake and take him outside again. I have been taking up his food and water at 9 pm and this still has not helped. I am looking for any possible suggestions.
Thanks very much, Kim Is anyone home all day? If so, even keeping the dog with you at all times can help you retrain very quickly. |
mkariggs wrote: I am not actually rubbing Maxx's nose in his poop. I am just placing his nose down beside the poop and telling him that this is bad.
Dogs will not understand this as "don't go poop in the house". They could understand this as "don't poop in this room" or "don't poop when the radio is on" or "don't poop when there is someone around" or "don't poop at all". Can you see how this can backfire? Max may understand that "when there is poop around Mommy gets mad and acts weird" . Then when you want him to go outside he will not do it when you are around...so you are unable to teach him what to do. You need to reward him for going outside, and you can only do that if he will doit close to you...and right now, he probably won't. If he goes in the house just ignore it. In fact, if he goes in front if you in the house you should be happy....as this is a break-through and then you just need to move it outside. Taking him outside AFTER he does it only teaches him that "when I go potty inside I go outside". What that can teach hi mis to go inside anytime he wants to go outside..You see how confused he can get? Work on getting him to potty in front of you by going outside with him, and yo may have to use a long leash if he won't go in front of you. Then little by little you can shorten it, but you need to reward himwith something HE finds is very special...The most powerful reward is "usually" something tasty, but it can be a toy, or lots of prisee. I ALWAYS use treats, because I praise my dogs all the time so it is not special to them. Food, on the otherhand, works miracles! And crate him or tehter him to you to avoid accidents indoors. Go the the thread on House-training...There is lots of information there. Good luck. |
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