aggression, dominance or both?
....longwinded post. i guess im asking : will this end? will he eventually grow out of this stubborn stage? thanks. Ed |
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| Hi Ed, welcome to the forum!
I have no personal experience to help you with this question, but a couple of thoughts: 1) Have you checked out this page on our site? http://www.oes.org/html/how_do_i_pick_t ... uppy_.html It gives some good info, and some of the links there can offer good insight on obediance and training, too. 2) I'm sure others here will be glad to respond, but things are usually a bit slow on the weekends. Hang in there! |
| according to that site, Jack is all over the place varying on situations, IE, he will come when called or provoked, but shy away from noises, he will pounce on a dish towel dragged on the floor, but he will sit and watch the umbrella....
i think Jack somehow knows what the tests mean, and is trying to give me interesting results. 
anyway, thanks for the warm welcome, i'll do my best to contribute to the conversation here. |
| <-- that's my Jack, just figured out how to post an avatar. |
| What a cutie!
Did you check out some of the other info available there? Some of it is "Good stuff", others... not so much. Ya gotta wade through the infomation, taking it with a grain of salt as most of them are selling something. I look forward to hearing the opinions of others on this! |
| ditto cute dog!!!
Jack needs boot camp! If you haven't had him in obedience, get there. Also do not let Jack greet people who come to the door. Make him sit when they come in and tell your guests to ignore him. Then all go sit down and let Jack make a greeting. If he gets wound up, immediately put him back into a sit. Of course I'm assuming he knows the command to sit, LOL. First things first. Do you know about bitter apple spray? Keep it close at hand and when Jack nips or other no-no, a spritz near the face (not in the face) and a stern no might work. Cats hate getting hit in the body or face with water. When I tried that with one dog (I didn't have bitter apple at the time) she just turned opened her mouth, "More Mom." Remember most dogs need several hundred repetitions to learn something........they are dogs, not humans so they learn slowly. Be patient......and realize, this is puppyhood. |
| he does sit....when he isnt being stubborn, and i've gotten him in training now, do those lessons with multiple dogs work best? or would a shy dog spend more time hiding than listening?
also, silly question: does an occasional outburst of aggressive behavior, once every few days, mean that he is aggressive? or is it just Jack being a silly stubborn puppy... thanks for the responses and compliments. |
| I was just thinking that, since Jack is so young, I wouldn't call it aggression at all yet, I would say he is just being a puppy. Although stubborness is a trait of sheepdogs, at least it is for all that I have known, I do agree with training training training. At the age he is at it should be quite easy to change some of the behaviors you are seeing. The sit command is an excellent tool to train out other undesireable behaviors. As long as Jack knows and responds to the sit command, it will work for you in many situations.
I would also suggest putting yourself in the puppies "shoes" so to speak, so you can understand what his behaviors mean. I have an excellent article that gives you a glimpse into what they do at each stage and why. I'll see if I can find it and post it.... |
| Jack needs positive reinforcement training. Please don't use any negative/punishment training - this can cause further problems with a dog that has a tendency towards aggression/dominance.
He is still very young and developing his personality. I would strongly recommend a training / obedience program - where he can socialize and learn some basic manners. Best of Luck! It's great that you are on top of this so soon! Kristen |
your dog is cute!!!!  |
ok Ron.....your puppy is soooooooooo cute,and is it just me or is his nose in the shape of a heart?  |
Tanyathenurse wrote: ok Ron.....your puppy is soooooooooo cute,and is it just me or is his nose in the shape of a heart? You must be referring to ed's pooch!?! |
 yes i am....i must have ron on the brain Ed your pups nose looks like a heart so cute sorry ron |
| thanks all |
| Hi Ed,
I too had a behaviourist come to help me when my baby was young (10 wks) - she was just a nasty puppy - not just puppy nipping but aggressive in biting when she didn't want to do something, eg. get off of the sofa, be picked up. She also spent the better part of her puppyhood nipping my heels (this I did not consider an enormous problem) which seemed to rectify itself as she grew up. However,I was very very worried about her seeming anti-social behaviour of growling and aggressively biting me - sorry but jumping on people was the least of my problems at that time. The behaviourist said that she too was an alpha. I have subsequently had her through three levels of obedience training - she is now almost two yrs old and an absolute doll. I STRONGLY recommend obedience classes with this breed. The classes not only taught me to teach her but seemed to teach her who was the boss. Good luck - our baby has been such a wonderful addition to our lives (although it took some effort to get her to that point) and I hope yours is too. |
| well, the jumping came with some biting, but nothing too nasty, i see now i was sort of overreacting.
but then, so too was the behaviorist. Jack's a doll, and i shouldn't complain Thanks Robin, hope you read this |
| My husband and I have a 3 year old beautiful OES. Nick is affectionate and loving, but definately has some behavioral issues. He has not been fixed (my husband wants to breed him this fall) and I wonder if that would help to curb some of his particularly unpleasant habits such as female crotch sniffing, licking chairs where females sit, etc. (sorry - it's really disgusting!)
He has on several occasions behaved aggressively (never bitten) but has growled at each of us and my 22 year old daughter. The most recent incident was with me. We were all watching a movie and talking and out of the blue he just started growling and assumed an aggressive stance. I told him to stop and then ignored him and he was fine, but it was the first time that it scared me a little. He also is all over visitors when anyone comes in and we have to take him out of the room. I know most of this is probably because we've done a lousy job training him. I would like to send him to a camp for training, but to someone good that is experienced with OES in our area (or as close to it as we can get). We live in Delaware. Any suggestions? Thanks for reading this long, long post! |
| First, off welcome to the forum. We hope you stay awhile and tell us more about yourself and Nick.
I am sorry to say this, but I would not breed any dog that shows any aggresive behavior. Actually, it is neutering that would curb the unpleasant habits, and possibly the aggresive behavior. It sounds like a great idea getting him in training. My 2 also meet and greet our guests. We have taught them to settle before someone comes in and after the guests get settled we let them come over for love. They will climb in our friends laps, but it only if invited. LOL Anyway, this is only my sincere opinion. I hope I didn't offend. Stormi and co. |
| Neutering will certainly help with aggression issues, and maybe (probably?) with his interest in sniffing, if it is intense.
Training has a lot to do with training the owner, you, on how to handle Nick, and being consistent with Nick, and how Nick thinks. While sending the pooch to boot camp might help a lot initially, it will almost completely be forgotten if not followed up upon by you. Take your boy to a good trainer and your will be AMAZED at how much you'll come to understand him, and how much he will come to understand you! GOOD LUCK!  |
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