When does OES change color
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| Pepsi didn't start changing until 18 months.
Most dogs start changing at around 6 months. But each dog is different.  |
| Nelson, Jr. had some gray starting on his hocks when we got him at 14 weeks.
Here he is at six months, when his coat was beginning to turn gray all over:  |
| Bingley had noticeable gray come in at around 4 months and then it stopped for about 2 months - now it is slowly but surely coming in. As I groom him I notice a a change each day. |
| Try searching through the grooming forums. there have been a lot of threads on this. |
| Here is a thread to see pictures of coat changes on an OES from 4 months to 4 years.
Not all change at the same rate, some are earlier some are later, some are darker, some are lighter, but you are looking at a full adult coat from about 3 years onwards, they are a slow maturing breed. 
2 major coat changes from pup to adults too. 
http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=10404 |
| Chauncey started at about 4 mos especially on his hind legs and was completely changed by 8-9 mos. Chaunce is now 16 mos. He has a black left ear that has always remained darker. We are now in the middle of the next coat change and this one is a booger. He mats faster than I can brush. Groomed him for over an hour today, he has even more mats tonight. Shaving isn't an option ( well maybe this year...we're still waiting on snow! ) |
| My dog, Jasper, had gray on his legs at 9/10 weeks, he's almost 7 months now and still isn't totally gray, but is noticably graying in the last month. Aren't there three colors of an OES - brindle, blue and merle.
I found some interesting information about genetics with the OES - why the dog grays or what gene is present for it to take place. G, the graying series. Although only two genes were recognised in this series by Little, this may be a more complex locus, or genes that affect graying may reside at more than one locus. The effect of G, in single or double dose, is the replacement of colored by uncolored hairs as the animal ages, very much like premature graying in human beings. This gene should be suspected in any breed where a dark puppy pales and washes out with age, and the paling is due to interspersed white hairs. The gene is almost certainly present in some Poodles, Old English Sheepdogs, and terriers. The fading may start immediately after birth or after a period of weeks to months has elapsed, and may go as far as it is going to by the first adult coat or may continue through the animal's lifetime. G may or may not be the gene involved in the graying of muzzle and over the eyes in aged dogs, or in the lightening of black to steel blue without interspersed white hairs. This is a series that definitely needs more work. M, merle. This is another dilution gene, but instead of diluting the whole coat it causes a patchy dilution, with a black coat becoming gray patched with black. Liver becomes dilute red patched with liver, while sable merles can be distinguished from sables with varying amounts of difficulty. The merling is reportedly clearly visible at birth, but may fade to little more than a possible slight mottling of ear tips as an adult. Merling on the tan points of a merled black and tan is not immediately obvious, either, though it does show if mask factor is present, and may be discernable under a microscope. Eyes of an Mm dog are sometimes blue or merled (brown and blue segments in the eye.) |
gallatea wrote: My dog, Jasper, had gray on his legs at 9/10 weeks, he's almost 7 months now and still isn't totally gray, but is noticably graying in the last month. Aren't there three colors of an OES - brindle, blue and merle.
Did you mean "grizzle", not "brindle"? Brindle (brownish streaked) would be an objectionable color in OES! According to the Old English Sheepdog Club of America Breed Standard, acceptable colors are: Any shade of gray, grizzle, blue or blue merle with or without white markings or in reverse. Any shade of brown or fawn to be considered distinctly objectionable and not to be encouraged. |
| Hazel is 7 months and is getting quite a bit of grey on her back now. Every time she gets a bath we notice more. |
Chauncey completely changed to grey months ago, and has been going through a coat change, the area where his bite wound was is growing back in black  What's up with this? |
| We had a bad tick problem this summer (sorry guys to bring up ticks again, and no, I won't post pictures of any). Everyone around here did and I am still treating Samantha with Advantix (we changed from frontline last month). Anyway, she lost her fur on both sides of her around her hips and the fur grew back black. It is still black from this summer. |
I call it trauma hair, Kelsey has a dark strip on her long grey coat where she had an abcess. 
And no merle eyes either in the standard for an OES. Wall eyes yes. Although I have seen one OES with one Merle eye and it is not encouraged at all in the breed. |
| But does it ever go to grey? Sam's spots aren't too large, it just looks strange (like a racoon face on her backside ). |
| It does but can take a long time to start at the root end of the hair and start growing back in lighter. Depends how much trauma to the skin on that area. Kelseys hair is imerging from that spot light grey now, the other end is black.
Two toned hair strip, looks funny as the hair is several inches long so 3/4 black and the rest growing out now light grey.  |
It still looks black from the roots. It really doesn't matter as she isn't a show dog and she is usually is in a puppy cut most of the year. I just get strange comments (and having an oes one is bound to anyway ) about her markings.....  |
| Thanks , I didn't realize that hair lost because of a wound grew in black.
Also Lisa, what is Merle eyes? Kathy |
| If you look at one eye the coloured part, it is a combination of brown and blue in that eye. Sometimes it can have a greenish hue to it also as the colours can merge in the eye to give a slight greenish look to the colour of the pupil.
Not in the standard at all, dark or wall eyes are to be preferred. Start vearing away from the written standard then you are creating a new breed that is not OES..
Same with brindle, grizzle yes, brindle never.  |
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