Sheepie
 ........Ok I have had Mickey for 2weeks,and he is such a joy.he wasnt too loving too me,he seemed to keep his distance,BUT now!!!He is such a love bug,he is so chubby and cuddely.he gives BIG kisses and follows me around all day.Last night he was whinning I got up and put him outside,he went poop!!!! I was so proud of him!!Jagger his big brother(collie)and Mickey play so great,right now they are tearing up the basement as I type!!  I better go and let him out!! |
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ok well a little update on my mickey.he is so darn cute and cuddley.he HAD been doing great w/ the whole potty training,BUT yesterday what a relaspe....pooped,peed,i wanted too scream.I kept him outside last night,i felt so bad for doing that  but i needed a full nights sleep cuz im getting up every 2hrs to let him out,then he takes forever some times so i said well mickey your sleeping outside tonight..He was fine,but today he is/has been doing awesome not 1 mistake(knocking on wood )
also i took the advice of all and i sat w/ him and treats and was brushing him out w/ a rubber brush to get him used too it,and it worked!!
thanks all for your awesome advice  |
Tanyathenurse wrote: ok well a little update on my mickey.he is so darn cute and cuddley.he HAD been doing great w/ the whole potty training,BUT yesterday what a relaspe....pooped,peed,i wanted too scream.I kept him outside last night,i felt so bad for doing that
but i needed a full nights sleep cuz im getting up every 2hrs to let him out,then he takes forever some times so i said well mickey your sleeping outside tonight..He was fine,but today he is/has been doing awesome not 1 mistake(knocking on wood )also i took the advice of all and i sat w/ him and treats and was brushing him out w/ a rubber brush to get him used too it,and it worked!! thanks all for your awesome advice In my opinion, 10-12 weeks old is far too young to expect perfection with housebreaking - and leaving a young puppy outside all night is rather dangerous! Do you have a crate that you could keep him in during the night ???- he would be much safer! He should not need to go out every 2 hours - if he was crated - he would be housebroken much easier and you know he will be safe. Also, your puppy will feel alienated being left outside at such a young age - away from his "pack" and you will end up causing more harm than good with behavioral issues in the future. I strongly urge you not to leave him outside! I know sleep deprivation is tough - but that's what we sign on for when we get a puppy! Please don't take offense to this - I just have the puppy's best interest in mind! I would hate to see something happen to him. Kristen |
of course i dont take offense......i really didnt want to leave him outside,but w/ being sick and needing a full nights sleep thats what i did,but i felt so bad  he is really a good boy and is my little love muffin ,and we all want to make the best decissions for them(like ourkids)so im hear to get good advice,and too hear other funny sheepie stories so dont worry about me taking offense. |
| The best advice I can offer at this point would be to get a crate and crate train the little guy! You will be amazed at how much better he will do with the training - and he will have his own "safe place" to go when he needs to.
Puppies can get themselves into a lot of trouble and you need to have your eyes on them at all times - or know that they are safe and secure. They can eat things (toys, rocks, socks, nylongs, etc.) and have obstructions (or choke), they can get into poisonous plants, cleaning supplies, pills, bug spray, etc. - they can dig out of a fence - or dig themselves into a hole that they can't get out of and suffocate - I've seen it all!!! My sister's puppy almost died - required $3000 worth of surgeries to save his life - because he ate a toy and a rock during just a few minutes of being unsupervised! I just think of all the things that could happen to your puppy outside unsupervised - by getting a crate - you get your sleep and you avoid a tragedy! Plus, they need your companionship - they need to be part of the family - even if it means lying in a crate next to you at night - or being in the next room in a crate at night - it will mean alot to his development! JMHO. Kristen |
| i totally agree with ya kristen,i have no idea what i was thinking.i know better but i guess i can be a tad selfish,but im going to take that advice and get a crate for him.i feel like i have abused him from putting him outside at night.now when i see him i pick him up and hug him and tell him what a good boy he is.all my life i have ALWAYS thought collies where the most cutest,beautiful breed ever.well Mickey i have too say is the cutest i mean could God make them any cuter??i doubt it...dont get me wrong i still think collies are very beautiful,but theres something about my sheepie that is so cute it is unexplainable.... oh yeha can someone help me to post his pic...i tried and could NOT figure it out |
| Brit, have you ever had a dog where crate training did not work for housetraining? It doesn't work for Dancer, she pees in it. I'm STILL trying to figure out how to get this girl of mine to pee outside! She holds it all night, and pees outside first thing in the morning, and then the rest of the day she pees in the house. I could keep her out ALL day with me, while I work on flower beds or whatever, and she will hold it all day and pee in the house. Now she has even started whining and trying to herd me to the door when she needs to pee! Which would be great if she were trying to go OUTside instead of INside! |
Willowsprite wrote: Brit, have you ever had a dog where crate training did not work for housetraining? It doesn't work for Dancer, she pees in it. I'm STILL trying to figure out how to get this girl of mine to pee outside! She holds it all night, and pees outside first thing in the morning, and then the rest of the day she pees in the house. I could keep her out ALL day with me, while I work on flower beds or whatever, and she will hold it all day and pee in the house. Now she has even started whining and trying to herd me to the door when she needs to pee! Which would be great if she were trying to go OUTside instead of INside!
No, I've never had a problem with housebreaking a crate trained dog but I've only crated my last two. I've had MANY problems housebreaking other dogs though. I would have to wonder what else may be going on with Dancer. You may want to consider having a sterile urine specimen taken - also - ask on the OES List about this behavior - I remember someone having a problem with housebreaking (very similar) and after much testing - they discovered she had vaginitis. It doesn't sound behavioral with Dancer! 
The other thing to consider - have you removed the smell of urine from where she's gone - try one of those enzyme products that neutralize the odors. I hope you figure it out -I know how frustrating that can be! Kristen |
| Nope, Dancer is perfectly healthy, and if it were an infection she wouldn't be able to hold it all day and all night.
It's my fault she does this, I knew that, somehow we got our lines crossed, I missed it too many times, and she learned to prefer the kitchen floor. During certain periods dogs imprint with information that is almost impossible to change once it's there. All puppies learn to prefer certain substrates, whether it be grass, dirt, linoleum etc. Dancer was born in December, and housetraining went well untill the snow melted. Then accidents became more frequent and she learned to prefer linoleum, since snow wasn't available. If I had realized what was happening I maybe could have taken her out more often, or crated her more, until she got over the lack of snow, but it didn't occur to me untill it was too late. I understand what happened, and I have heard many suggestions on housetraining, but I wish I knew of someone who had to re-train their dog due to whatever situation. Since you have 3 dogs I was hoping you had some experience with re training, or ideas on enforcing good habits in a dog that is not food motivated? Treats don't mean much to her, she loves her toys, but doesn't seem overly attached to one over another.... so I'm not sure what to use as a reward. She doesn't seem to respond to praise either. No wiggling butt, no excitement, which I think is probably because I've spoiled her. She's never had to try to please me, I'm just always happy with her and always give her so much love and hugs and stuff...LOL |
one thing is for sure potty training is very frustrating and we all have the same issues.for me i really never had any problems on potty issues seems like my collies at 8weeks old came potty trained..LOL!so i really dont have any advice other than we have too hang in there  |
| I had one thought...what if you clean the urine up and put the towel on the place you want her to go. I don't know if you have already tried that, but it is something we did really early on that seemed to have worked. I bet with you being home and when things calm down that she will figure it out. Good luck ! Stormi |
| Yes, I have tried that... but I think I will give it a try again. Thanks |
| Willowsprite,
Out of my 3 dogs now, Brittney was housebroken when I adopted her at age 2 and both Presley & Sydney were crate trained. My previous sheepie, Oliver, was paper trained and that was a horror - he would go to where the paper was when he was a puppy and pee right up until the day he died (at 12) - so I am NOT in any position to provide guidance in re-training!
I'm sure it can be done - many rescues come in not housebroken and are re-trained. Maybe you could speak to Grannie Annie @ NEOESR for some suggestions on how to re-train her to go outside. On a side note, Oliver also peed on linoleum and the smell of it really penetrates more than you would think. ??? Good Luck! Kristen |
| Yes, I always used to think linoleum would prevent the odor soaking in, but when I pulled the trim off the baseboards in the kitchen to bleach in there (my house has a bit of a slope and I had noticed on occasion a puddle would run under the trim) the floor was stained from urine. Yuck. I bleached it and put a line of silicone under it, so I'm hoping that helps too. |
| jack (<) is lucky if he makes it the night without needing to pee, i look at it like this, lots of pups could poop on the rug, but how many would look so cute? |
stormi wrote: I had one thought...what if you clean the urine up and put the towel on the place you want her to go. I don't know if you have already tried that, but it is something we did really early on that seemed to have worked. I bet with you being home and when things calm down that she will figure it out. Good luck
! Stormithe towel idea is a good one, Jack peed on my shoe (by accident i think) once, and now all i have to do is let him smell it outside and he will pee, whether its unfamiliar or home turf. |
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