House Training (Big Problem) - Please help?
I just got my 1st OES, she is 7 months old. The guy I got her from had about 12 OES at his house. I have had her for 5 days now and and not get her to poop out side on a schedule? She eats at 5:30 am I take her outside about 30 min later and nothing. I have to leave for work at 7:00 and I try it a few more times and nothing? I put here in her crate and she poops in her crate? (to make things even more diffacult my wife stayed off work today and kept her out of the crate today untill 2:30(I got home at 4:15) she pooed in the crate??? At night I feed her at 5:30 and take her out 30 mins after nothing? twos days ago she pooped at 12:30 am when I took her out of her crate since she was wining? How do I fix this problem? She has not pooed in the house(other than in the crate? now for peeing she goes out side but only two tiems a day??Please Help..you can even call me at [ACK! Phone number removed. Please post here, or PM or email through the forum. -ed.] thansk ~ RON |
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| Ron i dont really know where to start here ...
first of all i have NEVER in all my life heard of a SEVEN MONTH OLD puppy NOT being house broken ... a few ideas i have on the subject include and are not limited to A exercise the pup .. .my dear sweet sadie will NOT poop unless she goes for a thiry minute jog first ... B perhaps he/she was paper trained. ... maybe at the guy with 12 OES's house she/he was taught to poop on paper in the crate ... strange .. but possible. C I sudgest some super positive renforcemnt for any "bussiness" done outside and some shoving of the nose into the poop of the crate and some " bad " ... frankly on a whole i think that a dog that KNOWS it's unacceptable to go pooping all over the house should ALSO know how inapropriate it is to use their crate ... it might also be a security issue ... hmm now i just talked myself into a circle ... sorry i tend to do that .. i hope that SOMTHING i said helpped and im sorry if it didnt |
| Hi Ron,
1st off, WELCOME to the forum! You'll find and get lots of great help here. I'm sure others will answer you directly. In the mean time, check out alot of the threads in this section and in the Crate Training section; you may find some new ideas. PS Nice name.  |
| Hi Ron and welcome to the forum. Your little girl is still a baby and also the fact you have only had her for 5 days, she is still getting use to the whole transitional stage of her new home, getting to know you and her enviroment.
Great to hear she has some idea in the wee wee department, so that is a start and she is obviously fairly smart there.
With the poop department my suggestion is keep doing what your doing, your routine sounds fine, only one small suggestion, when you take her outside after 30 minutes after you feed her, put her on a lead and walk her around, let her sniff around, take a little walk down the drive way, onto the nature strip even and back again, armed with poop bags and if she does it for you praise her like mad.  I just find on the lead is better when bubs as it takes away the distraction of other things that can easily distract them and they can concentrate on the business of hopefully pooping. 
Never overdo the walking with one so young as she is in the rapid growth stage at the moment, so free play in a secure yard and just short walks and then no damage to her joints till she has finished her rapid growth stage. With pooping in the crate, that could possibly be just an insecure & adjustment problem at the moment till she settles in, keep up what you are doing and I am sure she will get the idea of where and when to potty. Be patient as she is still only a baby and just keep up with a very regular routine and I am sure she will click soon to not pooping in the crate.
Do spend some time too, have a read through the crate training and house training section on this forum, there is a wealth of information/ideas that might help you too, you are not alone in that department.  Best wishes and I am sure this problem will resolve itself soon. |
| I'm not sure shoving the nose in poop for bad pottying is
such a great idea. What does that teach exactly? Trust me, she already knows where it is and she knows exactly what it smells like. My gut tells me this type of correction may be asking for dog trouble later down the road. How big is the crate? Too big may be part of the problem. Check out our crate training section, there is lots of help there. Do you have any contact with the person this dog came from? Could you call and get some help there? Obviously this person didn't have 12 OES pottying in the house. I certainly hope the breeder (I guess I'm assuming he is a breeder) would help you out here. Find out what he was doing with the dogs for pottying. Also - even at 7 months lots of dogs still have house training problems. With the stress of a new home, new people, separation from the other dogs she lived with, this is a huge upheaval for her - even if she was perfectly house trained before she may be so out of sorts she can't get the pottying right. We have lots of info here on lots of things - check it out. Maybe someone else will chime in with better help. Shellie |
Welcome to the forum 
I think just sticking to routine and being consistent will eventually get the job done. I would suggest next time she poops in the crate put the poop outside so she can smell it next time she goes out. |
| I would not focus on her age but just treat her like you would a baby puppy and go from there. What you are doing sounds right, just give it some more time. I also believe that heaps of praise for doing something slightly right is far more likely to be successful than even a smidgen of blame for doing the wrong thing. If you catch her in the act, stop her and redirect her, but do it without anger. You will have a much happier dog if you can support her while she learns what it is that you want. Leash walking is a great idea. One more thought is to follow up with her previous owner and ask what her routine had been as far as housebreaking. Good luck. |
| Welcome to the forum!! It will take time . You have been given some good suggestions. Maybe take her out more often and give a word for her to do her busines (for my OES it is potty) and let her have a nice walk. I don't run my dogs hard before or after a meal but brisk walking is fine. We got a 6 month old GSD years ago and it took about 6 months for her to get the hang of it although she did not poop in the crate. This little girl just needs time. Enjoy your new sheepie and hang in there!! I know it is hard when you work!! Happy Holidays!!! |
| Thank you all, this looks like a great place for info oabout the OES. Just to answer a few questions - the breeder let the dogs live in the house(it was like of like a mother in law quarters) anyway they had access to the outside anytime they had to go...I can not do that here where I live...So the crate is brand new to her, it is a little frustrating having to give her a bath everyday. I hope that will change someday soon .As for the size of the crate , is is the correct size , not too large...
I was thinking about just feeding her once a day since it seams like she only has to poop once a day(at the wrong time)? thanks again ~ RON |
| It's not a good idea to only feed an Old English one meal a day. This works for some breeds, and especially for dogs who are grazers (i.e. dogs who will eat a bowl of food throughout the day).
Old English are prone to bloat, which is very serious and often deadly. "Bloat is a disorder that runs in Old English Sheepdogs and other large, deep-chested breeds. Bloat occurs when the stomach swells from excess gas, fluid or both. It may even flip over, causing a life-threatening emergency called torsion. Bloat is believed to be triggered by overeating, heavy exercise immediately before or following a meal, or drinking large amounts of water before or after eating or exercising. Feed your Old English several smaller meals throughout the day rather than one large meal, and make sure it doesn’t drink too much too quickly." |
| Barkley gets 3 meals a day, and he tends to wolf down his food, so we put a toy in his bowl to help slow down his eating. |
| well i didnt know that sheepdogs bloated ...all of my sheepdogs in the past only ate one time a day...
and the one i have now has food available for her when she is out of the crate at night and in the morning ... but she only eats once a day. i really dont see the harm in only feeding her once a day |
| Sheepie Heaven - Oh Ok, I will stick with the two meals like I have been doing. Thanks for letting me know about the "Bloat "...I thought that was only from exercise before and after eating? I just thought it would be eaiser to get her to poop outside, on my schedule if she only ate one meal?
Again - Thanks for the info.. |
| Since your dog is 7 months old she can probably handle being fed twice a day. Maybe you should wait longer than 1/2 an hour to walk her after a meal? Maybe push it to 45 minutes or an hour? She may not have to go when you walk her, but a little bit later she is ready. |
I find if your food isn't full of filler your dog won't poo as much. Laika has nice small poos 
I also feed her 3 times a day. Better safer than sorry, if you have read Marley and me you would too!  |
| I've read Marley & Me and bawled my eyes out. What a great book.
I agree with you, better safe than sorry. If there's anything preventative I can do for my little guy, I'll do it. |
| Chewie is 8 months, and he never has to poop until at least 45 minutes or more after he eats. He actually will pee sooner than he will poop. A brisk walk helps - exercise stimulates the urge to poop. It gets the peristalsis of the bowels moving! |
I have loaned it out at work and it is making the rounds, we all cried 
What a goofy dog he was hilarious. I have a friend who has a lab and he could see a lot of his dog in the book
I might have to write a book soon with Laika's antics!  |
got sheep wrote: Chewie is 8 months, and he never has to poop until at least 45 minutes or more after he eats. He actually will pee sooner than he will poop. A brisk walk helps - exercise stimulates the urge to poop. It gets the peristalsis of the bowels moving!
Izzie is a year and half now, but even when she was younger she didn't have to poop right after dinner. Now she will eat when we get home...5:30pm-ish. Sometimes we don't go out until right before bed...9:30pm. |
| Clyde took forever to housetrain and we had him since he was a puppy. We did all the right things, were consistent in our methods, kept things positive and it still didn't stick. I know how it feels to give a bath every day because we were doing it too. Then finally, something just clicked when he was a little of 6 months and he turned into a camel-- he could hold it forever!
I know telling you it takes time is not the advice that you want to hear but, it'll click for you guys too. Just be consistent and you'll find a method that works for you. Essentially, you're starting fresh because she's never really had this kind of "house" training before. Good luck! |
| kiwanoron,
Where was your breeder located in Nevada? I have a puppy that is 7 months old and i had her shipped to me from a breeder in Nevada...Just wondered if you may have one of my pup's sisters...My girl is a little over 60 lbs now. Please let me know and maybe we can swap pics... Anyways, i have had no trouble potty training my puppy...Coming from a dog trainer, a piece of advice is to write down when she has an accident, when she goes outside and what time of day it is. You will then be better able to predict when she has to go out because they do follow a pattern. If our pups are from the same litter...let me tell you a little about her potty habits. She goes poop IMMEDIATELY after she eats breakfast and dinner. She can't wait the 30 minutes. Don't get discouraged...It takes them a good couple weeks to adjust to a new home and a new routine. Especially at the age of 7 months when they are starting into adolescence. |
| olive is now 1 year this month, even this week(happy b-day) she was a nightmare to house train, and she still pees when a new person comes over and her bladder is full. She just gets so excited she can't hold it. At 7 months olive still had accidents in and out of the crate. I took her to a trainer and he promised the problem would be fixed...not! now she can hold her pee, but will not hold it if she has free run of the house for too lond. . All of a sudded at 8 months or so she started going out on a scedule and as long as i don't rush her she will go outside where she is supposed to. Just keep a scedule and rotuine and it will get better. also i have found if i throw a ball for even 5 min. in the morning after she eats. it will stimulate her to poo at lot faster. |
| Things are a little better, SHe did not poop in her crate yesterday...it is crazy though, I feed her last night at 4:30 pm. .We took a long walk around 7:30 pm(about an hour - she would have kept going - I was freezing - LOL) anyway, she never pees or poops on a walk, at least not yet. so I took her out in the back yard when I got home from the walk, again at 9:30 and she went pee pee, then again at 10:30 before bed and she still did not poop??? Anyway she woke me up at 5:30 and I took her out and she went poop...Who knows - I have never owned a dog that held it that long 13 hrs - that is crazy??? But at least she did not go in the crate yesterday, the first day she did not need a bath! Lets hope today goes as good. Thanks again for all of your ideas! Have a Great Christmas and a Happy New Year!
~RON |
| That's great news!!
It always helps to remember that dogs are as individual as humans and each one has their own weird quirks and prefered routines You just have to keep searching until you figure what hers are |
| Great news! |
13 hours is a really long time ... but yay that she didnt need a bath   |
kiwanoron wrote: I have never owned a dog that held it that long 13 hrs - that is crazy???~RON
Lol. It happens. Clyde will hold it 20 hours without even looking back. He's just really lazy. |
| Hide the cookies gave advice to push the dogs nose into the poop. NEVER, EVER PUSH A DOGS NOSE INTO POOP. IT CAN LEAD TO EATING POOP AND DOES NOT TEACH THE DOG ANYTHING!!!!!!!!! |
| First of all, only being at your house for 5 days (I know it's longer now) is not a very long time. She needs time to adjust. When we got Barney, I think he didn't even pee for 2 days...Next, 7 months old is still pretty young. If she hasn't had proper housetraining before now, she won't know what's expected of her until she is taught. Barney took a while to housetrain. We got him when he was 6 months old and told that he was housebroken. Um, not so much.
One thing that helped us was to take him out on a leash (even just into the backyard where we want him to 'go') and wait for him to go. Once he does it's immediate praise and back inside. We got him in March or April, so it was not the most fun to stand in the freezing rain for 20-30 minutes waiting on him, but overall this worked and didn't last forever. And it trained him to associate going outside with 'going' Barney has a varied 'going' schedule...depending on how much he eats or if he is feeling lazy or if it is raining and he doesn't want to go out...he's been known to hold it for 20 hours! Like someone else said, each dog is different and as you get to know each other better, you'll learn what is normal and what your dog can and can't do. |
ButtersStotch wrote: kiwanoron wrote: I have never owned a dog that held it that long 13 hrs - that is crazy???~RON Lol. It happens. Clyde will hold it 20 hours without even looking back. He's just really lazy. Bailey can also hold it forever. He prefers to go in his own yard. If we take a road trip he'll hold it all day in the hopes that we're going back home. Eventually he's forced to give in LOL! |
| We have potty trained an 8 week old lab puppy in less than a week, and Chauncey our OES in less than a year ( we got him at about 8 weeks also ). They are a different and late maturing breed....did anyone mention they stay puppy like for 2 1/2 - 3 years????? This is the part I happen to love. Chauncey takes patience to a whole new level on occassion, but in the spring I hope to find a rescue sibling for him. I promise it will be worth your efforts.
Now to my humble advice, we only used the crate when no one is home, which because of our schedules with both puppies was a realitively short time. We basically use the entire house as the crate. This is NOT for most people because it requires a great bit of time and watchfulness. Chauncey because at 16 mos. is still a puppy spends more time crated than I'd like, with our lab the crate was gone by 9 mos. But a breeder/shower of cocker's gave the following advice.. only allow them outside for potty to assure that going out is only associated with walk/potty. Do not allow play outside until they are pretty much potty trained, bring them in as soon as the deed is done. After they get it down then lots of outside play. Also our lab would poop anywhere, Chaunce however is a discriminate pooper and prefers one small section of our yard. Makes clean-up a whole lot easier........Kathy |
Quote: she never pees or poops on a walk,
I walked my little girl every day and she refused to potty anywhere but her own yard. When she turned 2, any plot of grass became fair game. |
| Welcome! What town in Nevada do you live in? Good luck with the housetraining. The only thing I have to offer is you need a lot of patience in that area. Fellow Nevadan sheepies Hannah and Copper send their welcomes. |
| HI,
Totally new to this site.... I have a female St. Bernard and in a few weeks adding a OES!!YEAH!! The housetrainig can be hard. Our Saint did the same thing!! She would even eat her bowel movements on occasion -- Horrible Horrible Horrible!! After months she finally has got it I started feeding her in her crate. Usually where the eat they will not deficate. I would also treat her. But using the clicker training helped also Buy a $1 cliker from your local pet store -- and click when they potty outside then when they finish they give a treat. They have to learn outside is the ticket!!! THere has to be a reason to go outside. For most dogs they catch on but for a few it takes the extra push. Best of Luck |
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