Chauncey & I are looking for a doggie school
He has never responded to a clicker, we have tried a training collar/leash. I've watched the Dog Whisper till my eyes crossed...a few of these things seemed to helped. When he was about 2 mos old we hired a private trainer...but...her forte was German Shepards ( she was referred by our vet ). We have several good trainers in the local area, but all believe in one of the above methods. This trainers parting remark..."I've never seen a dog this strong willed at this age....." Well we didn't pay for another private session of this. I have socialized him with other dogs and can take him out in public...our biggest fear is basic commands like COME, should be get loose. Question is what am I missing here?????? Most of you know Chaunce is 15 mos. old. HELP 
Kathy |
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| I think you would benefit from a group class. I am not a strong believer in private sessions unless you have a paticularly vexing problem. There are alot of avenues to check for obedience classes. Your local Humane Society should be able to refer you, check to see if there are agility groups in your area, Your local Kennel Club is a good resource. |
| Ginny, we live near a PetSmart and Petco. But my understanding is they do a treat based, reward progarm. I've tried this....I trained our lab with my husband, it hasn't worked with Chauncey. Is it possible if he's with other dogs he may respond better? We also live near a trainer near Antietam Battlefield that is doing a seminar in Austrailia this fall...she uses the clicker method. I also tried that method without success.
Chauncey couldn't care less about treats and will rarely take one....this makes training difficult. Thanks, Kathy |
| The most effective training, and most likely the only ones anyone here will recommend are "reward" based also called positive reinforcement programs. That rewared can be a treat or simply effusive praise. I have tried the clicker training and it left me cold (which is why my dog most likely didn't get it).
For some dogs the "reward" can be just lots and lots of praise. My Maltese is small and his stomach capacity limited, he very quickly gets tired of treats. But he'll do anything if you give him enough praise. A sheepie shouldn't have that problem, maybe you haven't found the right "treat". |
| Ginny, thanks, I will check into a program of this type but leave the treats at home. I do constantly praise Chaunce for good behavior, especially when he is out in public with me. He loves to go with me and I take him pretty much everywhere I go. Bob is uneasy because he will not obey the come command. He is well behaved in stores and along the canal where there are multiple dogs......Do you have experience over one school???
Chauncey has never been food driven!! |
| i started puppy class for my new boy and had to stop due to a broken leg,but i have an 111yr. old girl daytona and when she was a pup i took her to group classes about 3 different ones and now 11yrs later she is still a has her own will and if she does not want to do something she will not and make me look like a fool!! she has trained me well good luck!! |
I know the no treat thing Our male Dudley would not do anything just for a treat but he would do it for love ... well most of the time LOL so good luck  |
| Archie was/is very motivated by toys and play with toys. Sure, he likes his treats and he loves praise and affection, but what he really, truly loves deep down inside is playing with a toy--preferably one that squeaks and preferably a game that involves you chasing him.
While I didn't do this specifically with ARchie, I have seen trainers reward dogs with some (very brief) play time with a toy. Again, it's immediate, and quick. That might work for Chauncey. The other thing that I know from raising children and puppies is that consistency is key, and the more strong willed the puppy or child, the more important it is. So, if certain kinds of puppies or children know that if they simply persist long enough, you might cave and do what they want, that's their reward. |
| I have lots of experience with dog training. Ummmm lets say people training. Simon is my fourth dog in training. Treat training is great if your dog loves treats. What works best, from experience, is repetition. Dog training is actually training you to train your dog. Its up to you to listen, and repeat and repeat etc. Does your dog sit? How long did it take you to teach him? How many times did you push his rump down and say sit? Take Chauncy to school and work hard (practice 3-4 times a DAY, 15-20 minutes at a time) and you will have a well behaved dog. Yes its work, but it works. As soon as I get my knee fixed(yeah) Simon and I will be back at it. Let your fingers do the walking and pick one from the yellow pages or talk to other dog owners to pick the best school. Good luck and let us know how it goes. Pam aka Simon's Mom |
If one method worked with all the dogs - there only would be one method out there! 
In my classes I prefer that the students use praise rewards. If some want to use treats, they do that too. At any given time you may see many different collar and leads in use. I prefer they work with a plain buckle collar or simple martingale, and use any other collar as a temporary training aid. They are educated in the use of any collar before it ever goes near their dog. Above all - I make sure the students work on timing and consistancy in their training. Without them, every method will fail, or at the very least show very slow progress. I would ask around for recommendations, and visit the schools you are considering. Good luck in your search! |
| Kathy,
I live in Mass. and have done competition obedience with my sheepies. There is a trainer here in CT who has been conducting a class called Really Reliable Recall for years and she has put on a DVD. its fabulous. Its a bit pricey at $29.95, but worth every penny. There is also a booklet that you can buy for under $10. Leslie has been training all sorts of breeds for years and knows all about dogs who are not food motivated. You might consider it. Peggy |
Thanks, for all the advise. Obedience is my New Years resolution for Chauncey  |
Wadepuppy wrote: Kathy,
I live in Mass. and have done competition obedience with my sheepies. [snip] Peggy Ohhhh-- PEGGY!!!! THAT Peggy! Hi !!! I didn't put 2 and 2 together, even after seeing you at the Big E. I feel so foolish... Folks, Peggy does some amazing things with her dogs! |
| Peggy, is this something I can do, if motivated, by video? He's not Mr. Bad Behavior, but you could call him till the sheep come home and.....well, you know.......the chase is on, and I'm getting too old for this running crap! I'm a grandma ( but a young one!!! )
I didn't like it in high school. |
| Kathy,
I know this is too far for you (although I traveled 1.5 hours each way on a sat. to use a wonderful trainer for my GSD because she trained outside and I wanted out side distractions) but there is a guy named Bob Chenowith he owns RDOGS in Forrest Hill Maryland. I used him for Guinness. He has great Danes (shows and does Rally) he is a no treat trainer. He said you do this because you love me to the dogs!! It is inside and he is a gentle trainer. Guinness passed his CGC after his training but the key is repetition, lots of it. I am just as bad. I have not worked with Guinness for about 7 months and it is a good think my back yard is fenced sometimes he looks at me like WHO ARE YOU!! when I call him. Good luck. They are a hard headed breed sometimes!! (maybe I will order that vidio!!!)
Cindy |
| Kathy,
You sure can train him to stop being Mr. Bad Boy by watching the video and doing what they say. First of all, never, never chase him. You are turning this into a big game for him. If you have to do something when he doesn't come....then turn and RUN the other way. He will see you run and start chasing you. Please don't let him off lead anywhere that is unsafe for him. I just had a very bad experience with my own dogs a few weeks ago. The carpet cleaners arrived and I had my dogs on the back porch with a baby gate leaning against the doorway. I went to show the cleaners where the outside water hookup was and then returned to the wide open front door to find my dogs were gone. I saw them way down the street and called to my trained dog Wile to come. He did an amazing recall right back to me and thank heaven the puppy followed him. To me no dog goes off leash until I am sure they will come when called with tons of distractions. Peggy |
| Hi Ron,
Yes its me. Thanks for the nice comments. I think amazing is a bit of an overstatement. I just love to try different stuff with my dogs. Peggy |
| when I got Daisy at 3 mos, she wasn't interested in treats at all and I could not find any she would eat but would do most anything she understood for a "good girl" reward.
While at her first training class at PetSmart she began eating a few treats for rewards and while this has increased some since then, she is still extremely fussy about them - her biggest reward is still "yes" and "good girl". |
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