Can a Sheepie house-train herself?
I think I've mentioned here before that Blue is an out-doors dog. She lives and sleeps in a sheltered garage with her big sis- a mini Jack Russell. We've never had any problems having both of them outdoors and they're both healthy & happy. So, this weekend, Blue and I took a 200km road-trip to spend the weekend with her Daddy- my boyfriend. Now, Blue's never been housetrained so, when we decided to let her sleep in the bedroom, we were accepting the fact that there would be a mess to clean up in the morning. We put newspaper down and went to sleep. At around 8am I woke up to a big sloppy sheepie kiss. I got out of bed and looked around- no mess! I took her downstairs, opened the door and out she went to the garden, did what a dog's gotta do and came back in, up to the bedroom and into bed for a snooze. She continued to do this all weekend- stayed inside with us and stood by the door when she needed to go out. In the car, she held it until we stopped for a break every couple of hours. So- I concluded that she really is a very smart puppy and house-trained herself! |
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| To be honest, I never really had to train Max either. When I first got him he stayed out side, then he moved in to the screened in porch area with the doggy door. After a month, he had his leg problem, so we had to carry him outside to take care of business. So when I first tried leaving him in for the night and during the day, I was nervous too. But he did just fine. He has had a few accidents, but those seem to occur when he is trying to get back at me for something (like leaving him home for 3 days etc), or I just left him inside too long. I had read somewhere that once dogs go outside and never have the opportunity to go inside, it just becomes habit. |
| I have also heard that if a dog is used to doing his business outside, he will not go in the house. I do not think that Pud had ever been allowed in the house with his previous owner. We have done really well, but we still have the occasional accident. I have to admit it is usually my fault for leaving him in too long. We also have an Aussie that had never been inside and I can honestly say that he did really well when we started bringing him in. |
You are soooo lucky! For the last 2 years I've been trying to trained Shanti to do his business outside  , but he does it inside... he doesn't like to spend time outside... only if I go with him. Sometimes that drives me crazy as he doesn't care to wait till I wake up, return home, etc. The funny thing is that he behave when we go into stores or where else, but he does the same at my parents'  . Moreover, he behaves well when I had a kitten for 5 days… is this happening because he is spoil? What do you think? 
Besos dani |
danik wrote: You are soooo lucky! For the last 2 years I've been trying to trained Shanti to do his business outside
, but he does it inside... he doesn't like to spend time outside... only if I go with him. Sometimes that drives me crazy as he doesn't care to wait till I wake up, return home, etc. The funny thing is that he behave when we go into stores or where else, but he does the same at my parents' . Moreover, he behaves well when I had a kitten for 5 days… is this happening because he is spoil? What do you think? Besos dani Dani, I don't think it's because he's spoiled - or we'd all would have the same problem! 
Shanti may need more consistency with housebreaking. Have you ever used a crate? Dogs that are confined in a crate (or even in a small space) will usually not go to the bathroom in their space - and he would learn to "hold it" until you take him outside. Once he goes outside - praise him - make a big deal of it - act like he did the best thing in the world and give him treats! It will take some time to "RE-TRAIN" him but it's worth it! Also - is Shanti neutered? If he isn't - you may want to think about that - it may help with housebreaking. Make sure you clean up with a cleaning product that neutralizes the odors (or vinegar) - so he can't smell where he's been in the house. Don't punish him for going in the house. Once you get him used to going outside (even if you have to go out there with him) - you can get him to tell you when he's got to go (bark or some can even learn to ring a bell at the door). It will take alot of patience! Best of Luck! Kristen |
Oh my!  2 years! I am still having the same problems with Dancer at six months. I keep thinking I am just doing things wrong, but I have tried everything. As of Friday I am off work for the summer, so I am keeping her with me at all times, and outside as much as possible. I really hope it works. I really don't want to still be cleaning up puddles on a daily basis at two years old!  |
| Thanks Kristen, You gave great tips. Below are my answers.
I have never used a crate. As I have 4 doors (2 facing the patio and 2 facing street) Shanti runs freely along the house all night or when I live him alone. I just crated him once, when a couple was working at home, and one of them was afraid of Shanti. The thing is that he barks a lot. I will try to crate him one night, hope he won’t bark, otherwise my neighbors won’t be happy at all!!! Jeje I praise him when he goes outside and I do make a big deal of it. I think I over do it as ie. Once he stop peeing when I said: “good boy” , and came running inside for his cookie.!!! I thought that I have to praise him in the ACT, otherwise he wouldn’t understand why I was so happy!!
Shanti is not neutered. His father is a Champion of –don’t remember, but he got a lot of prizes- so I was thinking in the future to find him “girlfriend”!!! 
I clean up with water and bleach. Sometimes I use vinegar. (Don't punish him for going in the house) I don’t. I just show him my disappointment.
Willowsprite: Me, neither -I really don't want to still be cleaning up puddles on a daily basis at two years old. Hope you have better luck!!! 
Besos Dani and Shanti |
danik wrote: Shanti is not neutered. His father is a Champion of –don’t remember, but he got a lot of prizes- so I was thinking in the future to find him “girlfriend”!!!
I wonder if this is more of a "marking" issue then. That can be more difficult to overcome.
We have a cleaning solution here in the States that has an ENZYME in it that neutralizes any "pet odors" (i.e. Natures Miracle, Petzyme, etc.) I wonder if they have something similar in Argentina - it really works well. Good Luck! Kristen |
| marking issue or lazyness? don't really know. Still don't know how teach him to ask for outside...
We have does kind of products here too: Acá no!!! = No here!! but didn't work because he raises his leg in any plant or corner of the house.. 
besos dani and shanti |
| Sounds more like marking to me... |
Quote: Still don't know how teach him to ask for outside...
My two tell me by body language and eye contact. I would of liked for them to have a signal that I could hear. They both will walk to the back door and stare at us.......if we don't pay attention......they take this ever so slow walk to the front door and stare at us......if we don't pay attention, then maybe a little whimper and Annabelle has a little dance that she does. It is really cute. I think either crate or even a small room like a bathroom to start over in retraining. If this is a marking issue though, it might take a lot longer.  I wish you well, I know how frustrating it must be.
Good luck, Stormi and co. |
| My OES (Truffles) will be 2 yrs. old in September. She has a large fenced yard that she has mostly been in since we got her. About 2 weeks ago we began transitioning her to an inside dog. She has not had a single accident! Needless to say, we are thrilled! I think having her outside as long as she was made all the difference. She did sleep in a crate in the garage at night for the last 6 months and, of course, never had an accident in her crate either! What a sweet and loving breed! Bringing her in with us has almost been like getting a new dog! |
| Just as a funny.......We had a rescue here for 3 weeks. Not once in those three weeks did he mess in the house. As he was leaving with his new owner, he lifted his leg and piddled on a piece of furniture. Parting gift? Something to remember him by? |
| LOL Maybe! Or just saying, "Hey I like it here! Why am I leaving? I was on my best behavior to impress you, but now that I see that I have a new home, no point in holding back." *holds his leg up and pees* LOL |
| Sheepieboss I had a male rescue husky here who did the same thing! We had him here for about a week to assess his temperment and make sure he was housetrained etc before adopting him out, and not one accident until he was walking out the door, lifted his leg and peed on the corner of my brand new chair.
I couldn't believe it! |
| Anyone who was raised Roman or Irish Catholic knows you're to bless yourself with holy water upon entering or leaving a house.
Maybe the sheepies can't reach the holy water font? |
| LOL Holy sheepie! LOL |
| I think OES can train themselves, I had splendid luck with both of mine. Just picked up the papers and said 'that's it!' and the BOTH got it. In fact with Chelsea, most current, we started training her the day we got her, we only left papers down when we were gone. She would piddle while we were out every time. One day I said, "that's it- today's the day", I picked up the papers and she never went in the house again WHEN WE WERE GONE (except once, but she was sick).
Unfortunately - Chelsea uses her pee to her advantage- not like a boy, she doesn't mark- but she has been known to pee in the house in defiance. The classic was one night she jumped up on my bed before bedtime- she was filthy so I asked her to get down and go on her bed, I gently led her to her bed. She went back to the human bed and whined, I said "no' and took her back to her bed, so she walked over to the hallway where I could see her from the bathroom door and copped a squat, the whole time just looking at me. Then she took off running like a crazy beast all around the second floor. There was no remorse. She's done it a few other times when we've taken away a toy because she is becoming aggressive, or when she is denied access to a couch or a chair. My husband says if there was an international symbol for "naughty" it would be the laughing face of an OES. I tend to agree! Up. |
| "copped a squat" |
| you can't believe what Shanti is doing now! When I ask if he wants to go to "patio", he lifts his leg "faking" that he is peeing. But this is just for his cookie. When he cames in he stares at me like: hey mom, I went to the patio, now... where is my cookie? Still having problem during the night. |
| That is soooo cute! What a smart boy he is! LOL |
| Yes, yes, so cute. I laughed the first time but when he wakes me up at 2 am to “go to the patio” just to obtain a cookie I go like grrrrrrrr… As I am staring at him (at that hour I don’t know what else to do) he starts to walk around the patio like: uhmmm, she is staring at me… let see… what can I do… ok I will go inside, she is tired so maybe I will get a cookie anyway!!! And he does, otherwise, he comes to my bedroom and barks (neighbors sooo happy) till he gets a cookie. Sometimes I say NO, NO cookie!!! But sometimes I am so tired that I give one to him, even thought he didn’t go outside to pee! (I know I shouldn’t do that)
besos dani and Shanti |
| LOL, I'm sorry, I know it's probably not that funny to you anymore, but it just cracks me up. Sounds like he has you trained well! LOL
I would just not give cookies at night anymore. He should be old enough to hold it through the night. |
| UNBELIEVABLE!
Chelsea went through a phase where she would 'fake' pee outside to get a treat, this was shortly after she really became fully housebroken, when we were still giving treats each time. I've never heard of another dog doing this- it must be an OES thing. I saw a bumper sticker the other day and both my son and I burst out laughing at the same time- it said "my dog is smarter than your honor roll student" - I think this could be true with the OES! Up. |
| I love it! I want a bumper sticker like that! |
| Willow, I tried looking for that bumper sticker for your but i got sidetracked and came across this. Im just going to cut and paste. its not a bumper sticker but i died laughing.
cher YOU KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DOING RESCUE TOO LONG WHEN: You have a mental list of people you'd like to spay or neuter. You stopped at a house with a "Free Puppies" sign in the yard to have an Educational "Chat," and your kids had to post your bail. Running out of paper towels is a household crisis. You not only know all the characteristics of a good "stool," you discuss them at dinner. Your checks have messages on them like "Subtract Two Testicles For Every Four Feet." You have a bumper sticker that reads "My Border Collie Is Smarter Than Your Honor Roll Student." You pray they will someday manufacture Teflon furniture. You have phone calls forwarded to PetsMart. You absentmindedly pat people on the head or scratch them behind their ears. Given the choice of having your teeth cleaned or their teeth cleaned, they get their teeth cleaned. You not only allow pets on the couch, guests have to sit on the floor because the dog has "territorial issues." Your spouse missed the final game of the World Series because the cat wanted to watch his favorite video, "Birds of North America." Anytime the animal appears lethargic, you go on-line and investigate vetmed websites, pose questions to your address book and on e-lists, and by the time you digest all the information and field the correspondence, the animal has torn out the window screens, masticated a couch cushion and left something disgusting in your favorite pair of shoes. Your chatroom handle is "Queen of Spayeds." You and your vet are on a first name basis and he genuflects when you enter the waiting room. His daughter at Harvard refers to you as "Auntie." You needed a prescription to recover from "Old Yeller." You've forwarded more warnings about the dangers of chocolate, onions and mistletoe than the National Center for Disease Control has issued about anthrax and smallpox. You wear white year 'round, not because you are flaunting a fashion law or belong to a religious sect but because you have a Dalmatian, Great Pyrenees, Samoyed or white Persian at home. The world would never guess from your "dog or kittyspeak" posts to e-lists that in reality you are chairman of the IBM corporation. By the time you investigate different flea control products, their advantages and potential risks, natural versus chemical methods, and study the life cycle of the flea, any fleas have died of old age. You tell your children to "heel!" in a grocery store. For relaxation, you went mall hopping with your girlfriends. Your eyes glazed over when you saw a sign in front of a pet shop, "20% Off All Puppies & Kittens," and you slapped three security guards before they got you safely contained in the manager's office. People are still talking about your spay-neuter holiday greeting from last year, "Deck the Halls with Balls of Collies. |
OMG!!! 
That was sooooo funny!!! 
Thank you for the laugh!!!   |
| Loved it! Thanks! |
| There are "My Old English Sheepdog is smarter than your honor student." bumper stickers. I got mine at the last dog show in town. |
| I found a place. Dog Daze Designs
http://www.kaylar.com/dogdaze/orderform.html#bumper you find your design number (they have OES) and you can have Smarter than your honor roll studend put on it. It think they do Tshirts too. They do Christmas stockings!!
cher |
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